CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election
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except for the whole paying for it part
everyone rails on trump for his bs wall promises, but this gets a pass
other than that, its a good plan though
Have to step a way for a bit, but if you could pull out specifics I'd appreciate it. Not just for this context but for my own self insights. Most of what I've wrote has primarily had to do with his overall marketing and PR.
Also what I meant by the statement was the the poster was projecting policy and potential plans of the future when its an unknown, using imagination and bias. What I do know is Trump comes from a business background and has stressed the importance of negotiation across the board. That to me is evidence of potential flexibility, what the outcomes actually will be? No clue, but I personally (my bias) dont think Trump is as stupid or crazy as some want to make him out, and probobly will get better deals than most.
No, I mean, we all shit on that too, and know what if were to pass in earnest that there would have to be other ways to pay for it.
He hasn't even called for changes to it at this point. He admitted that nothing can be done since the sanctions will be lifted anyway and has called for strict enforcement instead
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...5d0a844e4b0ab468d9d907e?kvcommref=mostpopular
he is afaik the only republican candidate to recognize this fact
Bam Bam Baklava
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First one would be that every time a view he has laid clearly is brought up, guys like you come in and say he doesn't really mean it. The climate change tweet? Didn't mean it. Views on regulation? Didn't mean it.
It's a fucking joke. Why even talk about it at all when there's such a lame cop out his "supporters" can use to dismiss everything.
Please hold till nominations, I beg of you please.
Thought so, and that's just brilliant. I was just about to edit the post saying my gut feeling is that he will hop off Iran's back after election. He's just talking bad about it now for the votes, just like bible pandering.
Bam Bam Baklava
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No but he didn't mean it when he said he was birther.
Pathetic. Just assuming he's going to do everything you think is right because reasons.
you mean like $hillary? /s
DragonSworne
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He was running against Obama.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I would say yes. Ironically, he's more like Hillary than anyone is willing to admit in terms of being a political shape shifter because he acts differently. Hell, he supported her.
I feel I'm right, though.
Bam Bam Baklava
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If only the world could run on feelings.
Touche. World doesn't run on surface statements either.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Yeah because Trump never does that.
He already is favored by evangelicals 2 to 1 with Huckabee.
Jeezus hates a loser!
And you seem to be doing the opposite, maybe due to selective media and a liberal bias. The way Donald comes across resonates more than you give it credit for, and the silent majority isn't going to fall for constant nitpicky attacks borne from selective quoting. He will kill in debates and that will be it.
TheLaughingStock
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Break it down. Either way aggravated felons are not flowing from Mexico legal or illegal which he didn't specify.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/07/immigration-and-crime
Most of them are fine and bring a benefit to the US net.
Sure. He wont be resonating when Jeb Bush drops millions of dollars in negative ads at him.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Who needs the media when he has direct quotes? Like I said, he definitely resonates with a certain type of people, that's for sure.
I can already see your response coming. That was just a liberal plant to make him look bad.
speculawyer
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He won't be resonating . . . he'll be fuming. And his return fire toward Bush will be glorious to behold.
The DNC is just sitting back with a video recorder collecting all sorts of video to be turned into commercials for the general.
We finally seem sure of what will bring Trump down, at last.
Then again, Trump dealt with nothing but negative publicity his first month and only watched his poll numbers rise. Lets see if Jeb's ads can top those.
DragonSworne
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If Jeb attacks Trump we will Jeb's numbers go down. Jeb!
I'd be thrilled at the prospect of a Jeb vs Trump final 2. It'd be a contest between two candidates with deeeeeep pockets of dislike within their own party. Whoever wins, there'd be a slice of the GOP electorate who would be bitterly disappointed.. and in a year/climate/era where the GOP's margin of electoral error is pretty tiny, just a few percent of the base sitting home during the general would be horrible for their chances of success.
Your response to a selective quoting accusation is to show something someone in the crowd said. Are you trying to imply that I'm racist?
Yes, one of the things resonating is his wall and the deportation of illegal immigrants. I find nothing racist about enforcing laws. People with family and friends who might get affected may not like it, but I bet deep down they'd respect it.
But what is really resonating is anti-establishment, anti-PC and anti-corruption. No other candidate has all three of those available. Couple that with his well-delivered plans to strengthen the country? A lot of people will vote for that in the end. If you choose not to vote for that because of your own self interests, now that's what I'd consider pathetic.
He said illegal immigrants were rapists and murders with "some" "good ones."
Meanwhile he ran several businesses that he would have ran into the ground much faster had he not employed hundreds of illegal immigrants.
I mean for fucks' sake if you need someone to explain to you why that's racist then... Actually you know what, never mind.
You probably think not being racist is "PC"
Everything was reality TV.
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Trump reminds me of Rick Scott who fucked my life for good.
No business man should be in charge of anything other than a business. A country is not a business. A state is not a business.
No business man should be in charge of anything other than a business. A country is not a business. A state is not a business.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Bigots are energized by Trump calling for the deportation of over 10 million people to solve a problem that barely exists right now. Rest of GOP is trying to react to this.
GreatestHits
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Also on the Dem side: Hilary's on vacation and no one gives a shit about a 73 year old man who wants to take back the country from the corporations (sensible sane Americans are voting for Bernie but there's not enough of us [most of us were born in the 80's], so we're going to elect either a madman or a female snake to play Prez for a bit)
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There were a wide variety of Republican candidates, foremost of whom was Jeb Bush. As you probably know, he's the brother of former president George W. Bush and previous governor of Florida. He's a very polarizing figure here in the Sunshine State, and known to be kind of unassuming. Despite this, he's raised more money than any other candidate and was expected by most pundits to easily grab the nomination. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz -- his fiercest competition -- couldn't hope to match Bush's success in the polls.
Donald Trump essentially came out of nowhere. He ran for president in 2012 but very quickly bowed out. Many Republicans distrust Trump due to his very close ties to the Clintons and other Democrats, and because his economic policy isn't all that right-wing. In the end of June, Trump made inflammatory comments about how "Mexico is sending their drug dealers and racists" to the United States. He didn't backtrack on these comments, and they seem to have made him more popular among some voters. During the debate two weeks ago, Trump basically supported single-payer healthcare and suggested that he'd be interested in running as a third party candidate. His performance in the debate coincided with a surge in the polls, and in most sources Trump is actually doing better than Jeb Bush.
Similarly, Bernie Sanders had made shockingly large gains on the left. He's a soft socialist who is currently polling somewhere around 30% in the Democratic polls, but his inability to appeal to minority voters is harming him significantly. Hillary Clinton has been suffering some losses due to a variety of scandals, but she's still beating Sanders by a wide margin and is expected by most pundits to be not only the Democratic nominee, but our next president.
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I choose not to vote for him because virtually none of what he detailed on immigration is feasible policy. The only thing that's pathetic is believing in these so-called well-delivered plans actually becoming reality. Ending birthright citizenship is not well delivered plans, mass deportation is not well delivered plans.
What's funny is people are praising his flip floppy nature as "flexible" so what are you gonna when he flip flops on immigration? Maybe we'll get that amnesty after all.
How did Scott specifically screw you? I know he's an asshat crazy crook.
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If it wasn't for him $600 a month would go into savings and not in gas alone.
He closed down a place that forced my mother to either quit or spend a ridiculous amount of money to keep a job.
Let's not forget the insane amount of maintenance the truck had to get
If he didn't close it down, I probably would have a driver license and my own vehicle.
But now that would wipe 75% of the savings we have. And if a hurricane hits with need that money.
The underlying point is that it takes someone willing to break the law to immigrate illegally. Some are good people, similar to refugees.
Your assumptions about me are ridiculous, and I guarantee people see through it. Little wonder that people are anti-PC when people sling mud against those with defensible positions opposed to their own involving a minority group.
speculawyer
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It is a shallow ruse. I can't believe it hasn't backfired. But perhaps they are satisfied with a shallow ruse as long as it comes with anti-immigrant vitriol.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Crazy how the Tea Party loves a guy who said he once stood for single payer healthcare after losing their minds over Obama and his socialist takeover plan. Guess we now know what that was all really about.
His grandchildren are literally Jewish, and he's so irreligious that nobody knows what kind of Christian he is.
GreatestHits
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I had no idea he had strong ties with the Clintons. Doesn't it look a little appropriate then that she's quiet while he does his thing? Was his push for Pres done only to ensure the Republican party would not be able to unite with a viable candidate? Hmmm... (decides not to put on tinfoil hat...yet)
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Spending half a trillion dollars to deport >10 million brown people when there has been negative net illegal immigration from Mexico over the last 8 years is just based on racism, mmkay. You could set half a trillion dollars on fire and help the US economy more than Trump's plan would.
Well, Bill Clinton did have that phone call with him, giving him encouragement him to "get involved" with the GOP race..
At this point, given how Trump has offended various key voting groups and dragged the party to the right on key issues, it'd be arguable that this phone call was the biggest incident of the campaign thus far.
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#trump2016
let's go Repubs! DO IT
let's go Repubs! DO IT
Manmademan
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It doesn't really matter because the part of the base that REALLY cares about that is already supporting Carson and Huckabee.
As long as trump isn't a "secret Muslim" the rest of the GOP doesn't care.
timetokill
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If I recall correctly, he didn't really walk back much on his comments about single payer in the debate, either. Good chance he is more progressive than Hillary on this issue.
One of the funniest things that I can imagine would be this chain of events:
1. Trump wins the presidency
2. Along with Republicans, repeals Obamacare
3. Republican congress passes single-payer, touting that they really fixed health care while Obamacare was simply a handout to the insurance companies
BertramCooper
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Trump's campaign is just remarkable. I mean, it's based 100% on racism. There's virtually nothing else to it.
That's why it's cutting across all parts of the GOP and not just the Tea Party, as everyone initally assumed. I mean, you look at these poll numbers and basically can surmise that yes, 32% of the Republican Party are hardcore racist shits.
That's why it's cutting across all parts of the GOP and not just the Tea Party, as everyone initally assumed. I mean, you look at these poll numbers and basically can surmise that yes, 32% of the Republican Party are hardcore racist shits.
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