CNN poll : Donald Trump now competitive in general election

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GAF told me none of this matters

It doesn't.

They're comparing polling of Trump among Republicans with Hillary among Democrats. It means absolutely nothing in terms of a general election.

This is CNN, home of "DEAD HEAT!!". I assume nobody remembers 2012 when they insisted it was a close race the entire campaign period when in reality Romney never polled once ahead of Obama.
 
If this guy gets elected... I mean seriously, America is in big trouble. Canadian's hate the current Prime Minister (Stephen Harper) because of his policies, but this guy will be 50x worse. This guy just talks smack, and people vote for him. He doesn't even have any former experience in politics, so that is a bad sign for the masses if he's voted in. Lets pray he loses badly to Hillary (oh and I'm Canadian BTW, so I'm going to sit back and watch America determine its future).
 
I have no idea. I just made the idea up out a minute ago. Feel free to run with it however you like. Or think of other ideas for how to get rid of useless laws.
The only way it is feasible would be doubling the members of congress, because there is no chance in hell any district would be okay with having no representation in the formation of new laws.

But that would cause the issue of now having a congress twice as large as it is now. With twice the number of elections. Twice the amount of money needing to be raised. Which complicates things vastly and defeat your initial goal.

There is nothing about your new idea that seems like it could function and help meet your goal, in what way do you see this situation resulting in a less complex government with less unnecessary laws?
 
If this guy gets elected... I mean seriously, America is in big trouble. Canadian's hate the current Prime Minister (Stephen Harper) because of his policies, but this guy will be 50x worse. This guy just talks smack, and people vote for him. He doesn't even have any former experience in politics, so that is a bad sign for the masses if he's voted in. Lets pray he loses badly to Hillary (oh and I'm Canadian BTW, so I'm going to sit back and watch America determine its future).

He will undoubtedly lose. He actually is hurting the Republican party(more so than the party hurts itself). Hillary will win the election, I can't imagine how its not in the bag for her given how much $$ she has in contributions from the "right" people.
 
the issue with laws expiring is that eventually there will come a time when a crucial law will be set to expire, and congress will be forced to re-pass it or alter it

this of course means shipping in metric tons of pork with crucial bills needed to preserve laws necessary for the function of the country

i don't really trust congress, the same body responsible for shutting down the government in an attempt to delay the funding of the affordable care act

it is also remarkably foolish to allow landmark civil rights laws and consumer protection laws to expire, because it gives reactionaries a remarkably easy way to roll back centuries of process as long as they hold the majority in government when the laws will expire

"too many laws" as criticism is pretty close to "the affordable care act is too long, why can't they use simpler language", which was also followed up by a lawsuit attempting to defund the affordable care act over a case when a single piece of simpler language that wasn't laser-focus precise was used
 
the issue with laws expiring is that eventually there will come a time when a crucial law will be set to expire, and congress will be forced to re-pass it or alter it

this of course means shipping in metric tons of pork with crucial bills needed to preserve laws necessary for the function of the country

I agree, but I would treat the pork issue separately.
 
I agree, but I would treat the pork issue separately.
But there is no way this wouldn't happen, when crucial bills need to get passed congressmen force pork into it to guarantee their votes they know are crucial to its passing. Why would a congressmen suddenly stop using vital bills that need to get passed to further their self interests for their district?

Pork being latched onto big ticket bills required/guaranteed to pass is not a separate issue, they go hand in hand.

Congress likes their own pork, a bill banning pork completely would never pass any congress.
 
He doesn't even have any former experience in politics, so that is a bad sign for the masses if he's voted in.

That is a good counter-point worth considering more. "Politicians are all talk no action, you need someone from the outside who can get the job done" is an appealing and charismatic line, but is it based in reality?

If my favorite baseball team made it to the World Series 5 years in a row and lost each time, would the answer for next year be to replace their ace pitcher with a bat-boy? That bat-boy has some great charisma and unique out-of-the-box thoughts about baseball from being around the sport, but never actually "in" it.

The main appeal for a stronger illegal immigration policy would be to save the country money, both in the short and long term. When Trump brushes off questions about the speculated price tags tied to his immigration plan with "don't worry about it, it's called management," that's a bit unsettling to say the least.
 
I'm not exactly sure what you think about me, but I'll assume you think I'm racist. I know 100% in my heart of hearts that I'm not racist. The effect of you thinking that:

1. Other people won't openly defend Trump to not get labeled or perceived as racist
2. More piling on false, out of context bullshit because it "works"

I don't have any reason to believe you are racist, only that you explicitly support a racist and by extension some of his racist ideas and policy suggestions.

I support politicians with whom I have specific disagreements on individual policy items. Perhaps you do too. I don't know.
 
That is a good counter-point worth considering more. "Politicians are all talk no action, you need someone from the outside who can get the job done" is an appealing and charismatic line, but is it based in reality?

If my favorite baseball team made it to the World Series 5 years in a row and lost each time, would the answer for next year be to replace their ace pitcher with a bat-boy? That bat-boy has some great charisma and unique out-of-the-box thoughts about baseball from being around the sport, but never actually "in" it.

The main appeal for a stronger illegal immigration policy would be to save the country money, both in the short and long term. When Trump brushes off questions about the speculated price tags tied to his immigration plan with "don't worry about it, it's called management," that's a bit unsettling to say the least.

For a sports comparison I think it's more like NBA's Mark Cuban, where the owner (with no pro experience) takes control of the franchise's decision making or even moneyballing. Which can also be pretty bad though.

I hope the devil is in the details and hurts Trump, but I think voting is a popularity contest more than ever...and we are in the age of reality TV and hashtags, unfortunately.
 
The only way it is feasible would be doubling the members of congress, because there is no chance in hell any district would be okay with having no representation in the formation of new laws.

But that would cause the issue of now having a congress twice as large as it is now. With twice the number of elections. Twice the amount of money needing to be raised. Which complicates things vastly and defeat your initial goal.

There is nothing about your new idea that seems like it could function and help meet your goal, in what way do you see this situation resulting in a less complex government with less unnecessary laws?

You're arguing with a guy who, by his own admission, isn't interested in thinking out the broader logistics or realities of his ideas and is just tossing out shit to see what sticks.
 
America wouldn't be this stupid would it ?

Stupidity has nothing to do with it. Trump is smarter than the last three Republican presidents. He's a good pick for Republicans, and I don't think anyone else in the current field can touch him.

I hope he does a good job at keeping Clinton and/or Sanders on their toes. If they falter, he could very likely win.
 
You're arguing with a guy who, by his own admission, isn't interested in thinking out the broader logistics or realities of his ideas and is just tossing out shit to see what sticks.

A more accurate statement is that I'm not interested in thinking about them with a bunch of people who, by their own admission, are only actually interested in finding opportunities to own people over the internet.
 
A more accurate statement is that I'm not interested in thinking about them with a bunch of people who, by their own admission, are only actually interested in finding opportunities to own people over the internet.

No one is trying to own you. We're trying to highlight just how RIDICULOUS your statements are in our foolish and futile attempts to get you to actually apply some critical thought to your positions.
 
No one is trying to own you. We're trying to highlight just how RIDICULOUS your statements are in our foolish and futile attempts to get you to actually apply some critical thought to your positions.

Come on now, don't make me dig up that exchange I had with you a few days ago.

Bottom line is you guys are unable to have a meaningful discussion with people who disagree with you. I don't fault you, it's a common problem with people nowadays, and part of why republicans and democrats can never find any common ground, because it's just the two sides being too busy calling each other idiots to find a compromise. Either way, I'm certainly not interested in participating in the shit-slinging fest that you guys seem to enjoy.
 
Come on now, don't make me dig up that exchange I had with you a few days ago.

Bottom line is you guys are unable to have a meaningful discussion with people who disagree with you. I don't fault you, it's a common problem with people nowadays, and part of why republicans and democrats can never find any common ground, because it's just the two sides being too busy calling each other idiots to find a compromise. Either way, I'm certainly not interested in participating in the shit-slinging fest that you guys seem to enjoy.

How can we have a meaningful discussion with you when you REFUSE to explain or provide any evidence to back up your claims?

Discussions aren't throwing a random idea out there and refusing to explain it and back it up when it gets questioned.

You aren't attempting to discuss any of your ideas.

You said half of congress should vote on laws, half repeals laws. I asked how this would function, would you double the amount of representatives for example. Your answer was basically "I dunno". How can that work as a debate and back and forth discussion when you refuse to expand or back up your ideas with any further evidence or analysis?
 
Come on now, don't make me dig up that exchange I had with you a few days ago.

Bottom line is you guys are unable to have a meaningful discussion with people who disagree with you. I don't fault you, it's a common problem with people nowadays, and part of why republicans and democrats can never find any common ground, because it's just the two sides being too busy calling each other idiots to find a compromise. Either way, I'm certainly not interested in participating in the shit-slinging fest that you guys seem to enjoy.

If you could come up with rational explanations to your positions I guarantee you would get rational discussion. Throwing out RIDICULOUS statements is not going to get you what you want. Simple as that.
 
If you could come up with rational explanations to your positions I guarantee you would get rational discussion. Throwing out RIDICULOUS statements is not going to get you what you want. Simple as that.

Rational is all a matter of opinion isn't it? If it were rational in your opinion then there would be nothing to debate about, and you would agree with me. Any position which you don't agree with will be deemed irrational by you, by definition.

Do you see the catch-22 now?
 
Rational is all a matter of opinion isn't it? If it were rational in your opinion then there would be nothing to debate about, and you would agree with me. Any position which you don't agree with will be deemed irrational by you, by definition.

Do you see the catch-22 now?

I see we've entered the philosophical phase of this whole exchange. Jesus christ.
 
I'd be more interested in Bernie v. Trump, as Trump tries to figure out in real time whether to keep it classy and respectful or to just start rambling about socialism and what he had to eat that morning until the paid audience members reach their applause cues.
 
I'd be more interested in Bernie v. Trump, as Trump tries to figure out in real time whether to keep it classy and respectful or to just start rambling about socialism and what he had to eat that morning until the paid audience members reach their applause cues.

Bernie's 15 dollar minimum wage vs Trump's lowering or abolishing the minimum wage all together, i'd like to see it
 
Agreed! Lets give people a taste of thier own medicine and show them how bad it can really get.

I think it's unlikely that if a candidate was elected, the people who voted for them who come to drastically change their viewpoints en masse were that candidate to wreak havoc in government. Perhaps I am cynical, but I presume most people would feel it was the fault of others in gov't and not their chosen candidate. I would say this goes for most major elections in the US.
 
A more accurate statement is that I'm not interested in thinking about them with a bunch of people who, by their own admission, are only actually interested in finding opportunities to own people over the internet.

Jeez, get over yourself. No one is in this just to make you look bad; I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're not the focal point of anyone's day here. You posted a series of, let's say, controversial ideas (beginning with "any candidate should be vested with ultimate power") that people criticized up and down for a variety of reasons, which you largely ignored and then continued insisting on claims like "There are too many laws, it's ruining government." When people asked you why you think these claims were true and for any proof to back them up, you either didn't provide any kind of support or did supply some kind of evidence that was very quickly refuted as wrong or specious or irrelevant to the claim altogether (e.g. contrary to what you originally insisted, the volume of incarcerations in America has nothing to do with the volume of laws).

I mean come on, you literally googled "how many laws are there" and screencapped the top answer as proof without actually clicking on the link that supplied the answer -- a link that, had you clicked it, you would've realized debunked the very point you were trying to make. And when people called you on it, instead of owing up to the fact that you couldn't even bother to put more than 10 seconds of effort into backing up your own argument, you started getting pissy about it and whining about how people are just looking to own you online (which, even if we accepted that as true, wouldn't that still mean you were being proven wrong? I don't know if any "owning" can happen if the "owning" party isn't, you know, doing any actual owning!).

Critical thinking isn't subjective. All you're doing is throwing out assertions about what's wrong with government and how you think it can be changed for the better, assertions that are pretty outlandish to start with but are further complicated because you either refuse to back up your points, skirt around criticism of your points, or offer explanations that don't make any logistical sense (see: your constantly changing position on who would pass/kill laws, and how, and how often). And then every now and then you'll say you're just spitballing ideas and shouldn't be expected to back them up anyway. Get off the victim complex already. No one's denying you a meaningful discussion of your ideas; you've been getting the meaningful discussion this whole time, you just don't like it because it's not very flattering for you.
 
People need to realize that a huge chunk of Trump's supporters are only supporting him as a direct "fuck you" to the national Republican party. That's basically Trump's unofficial campaign slogan: "yo, fuck all of these guys."

I mean, shit. Jeb Bush? That's who they're supposed to rally behind?

This is why none of them really care about the fact that Trump has basically been a Democrat up until very recently, and the fact that his stances completely change in real time right in front of our eyes during interviews and speeches. Donald Trump is a punishment being knowingly inflicted on the Republican party by their own constituents.
 
There is no way Trump is 100% behind these positions and even his Republican supporters know a lot of it is BS (many think he is a secret liberal but support him due to his anti-establishment rhetoric). Some time back he was espousing taxing the very rich to pay off the national debt and single-payer healthcare - he even said that health costs shouldn't ruin families.

Believing that list is like believing that Obama and Hillary DIDN'T support gay marriage before the '08 election. Even Trump, who is 90% more truthful than the rest of the field, knows to play to the base.

Trump is Schrodinger's candidate - he supports what you want to see.
On certain issues, anyway. There's no way to turn around that mexico wall thing.
 
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all going according to plan
 
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