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I thought we didn't spoiler tag BBC cast announcements? Like, it's an official release, that's not spoiler information.

I'm kinda torn on this one. Alex Kingston is fabulous and I do like River even though she was overused in series 6 and her story there wasn't handled very well, but her farewell in Name of the Doctor was really well done (and made me cry a little) and while that was post-Library and thus doesn't mean she couldn't appear again earlier in her own timeline I felt like it was a good farewell to the character for the audience so I don't know how I feel about her popping up again after that.

Suppose it'll be worth it anyway to see her and Capaldi together.
 
Really don't get the hate for River Song, and it really makes sense for her to meet more than just 10 and 11. It all works out!
 
Bluth54 said:
I would like to see Captain Jack and River Song interact with each other.
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John Barrowman's off doing Arrow these days and Alex Kingston's also been in a few eps of that but I don't think her character ever interacted with Barrowman. Those CW/DC showrunners must really like Doctor Who since they also cast Arthur Darvill in Legends of Tomorrow.
 
Just got into this series and watched Season 1-4 of the 2005 run. It was awesome. Why have I been avoiding it so long?

Starting season 5 and so far kind of cold on it. The writing quality seems to have gone down quite a bit. Maybe it'll grow on me.
 
Big One said:
Just got into this series and watched Season 1-4 of the 2005 run. It was awesome. Why have I been avoiding it so long?

Starting season 5 and so far kind of cold on it. The writing quality seems to have gone down quite a bit. Maybe it'll grow on me.
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Just a significant tonal shift due to a different series head, different Doctor...different everything. Season 5 is a bit like that, but 6 & 7 (despite what some say about 6) are where they find their footing better.
 
Sorry guys, love River Song and glad to have her back.

Will be interesting to see her reaction to an older Doctor now that the roles are reversed and she's no longer a cougar to him.
 
ClivePwned said:
John Barrowman's off doing Arrow these days and Alex Kingston's also been in a few eps of that but I don't think her character ever interacted with Barrowman. Those CW/DC showrunners must really like Doctor Who since they also cast Arthur Darvill in Legends of Tomorrow.
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The Arrow producers before were willing to make time for him for the 50th if he was asked, but never was. If they are as big of fans as they seem to be, they probably would be willing to make time once more
But Moffat
 
I was briefly disappointed since her exit in NotD is so good but since it's the Christmas Special I'm kinda down for it. Kinda means it'll be light and breezy and less 'full-on'. Plus I think Capaldi could bring out some interesting sides to her.

Does seem to indicate Clara will be gone by the season end though. River seems to be his default when travelling alone.
 
I am actually looking forward to River coming back. I was happy with her last exit but seeing her interact with Capaldi will hopefully be worth her return.
 
I really like River but I can't imagine what closure they could bring to her character that they haven't already.

Her interacting with Capaldi's Doctor will be fantastic though.
 
StaticJam said:
The Arrow producers before were willing to make time for him for the 50th if he was asked, but never was. If they are as big of fans as they seem to be, they probably would be willing to make time once more
But Moffat
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I think Moffat just thinks too much time has passed, to be honest.
 
In a world where there wasn't really time for the other Doctors in the 50th, I can't blame Moffat for not finding time for Captain Jack. I doubt there's some big underlying bias against the character or it's fanbase: Jack was created by Moffat.

Anyway, I don't really love the idea of bringing River back. Her story was wrapped up well IMO, and even though she debuted with 10 and she was said to have interactions with the other Doctors, she always seemed like she "belonged" to the 11th Doctor. I don't need to see her with 12.
 
JoeM86 said:
Not necessarily. He was going to put him into the Season 6 episode, A Good Man Goes To War, afterall.
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Yeah, and that was 2 years out from the RTD era and his last appearance. We're over double that removed from it now, and thus I think he thinks it might've been too long. Doctor Who's primary fanbase changes a lot in five years, after all; a lot of them grow out of it and are replaced by younger ones, etc. It's a kids show, and I do think that has an impact on some of this stuff.
 
APZonerunner said:
Yeah, and that was 2 years out from the RTD era and his last appearance. We're over double that removed from it now, and thus I think he thinks it might've been too long. Doctor Who's primary fanbase changes a lot in five years, after all; a lot of them grow out of it and are replaced by younger ones, etc. It's a kids show, and I do think that has an impact on some of this stuff.
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They brought The Master back.

They brought Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart back.

I don't think the time is as relevant as you think.
 
JoeM86 said:
They brought The Master back.

They brought Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart back.

I don't think the time is as relevant as you think.
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I think these things - reintroducing a major point from the old show as new - is not quite the same as bringing back a relatively minor character who hasn't appeared for a while, to be honest. Like, even the Brig's reappearance was in a spin-off and was a happy accident in that he was never intended to appear - it was meant to be Martha, but then Freema suddenly wasn't available and they had to rewrite for another character Sarah would be familiar with, but without significantly tweaking the script as it was go time. It was just sort of a happy coincidence, not a grand plan. The Cyberman stuff is a reference, but hardly any different to the death of Jack in Day of the Doctor, really.

I just think there's more factors at play than Barrowman's availability; the point is, to bring him back now they'd had to 'reintroduce' him as new to a chunk of the audience, and I don't think that's something Moffat'll particularly want to do at this point. Midway through Series 6 was much closer, and Torchwood was still on air at the time as well. I think another factor is that during the RTD years he was the Saturday night TV light entertainment king in the UK, as well, which made him an attractive guest star; but now he's much less visible than he was then.
 
And I had been enjoying watching Doctor Who without River Song around to shit things up. I guess I can go ahead and write off this Christmas special right now.
 
I think River Song was great, but I also think they completely wrapped up her story already.
 
Htown said:
I think River Song was great, but I also think they completely wrapped up her story already.
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To me I think NOT having her meet the doctor after the doctor she fell in love with would be a mistake. It's such a obvious thing to do with her and I think she might have hinted at it before.

But yeah. Please just be a one off appearance.
 
Do some of you guys actually froth at news like this? Because that's the impression I'm getting.

It will have been over two years since her last appearance with nary a mention, this isn't Series 6. Plus Kingston, much like Coleman, is pretty great - her bouncing off Capaldi will be fun to see. He's unlike any of the other doctors she has interacted with.
 
I said earlier that I would be fine with River never being on the show again - mostly because I felt her story was finished and belonged mainly in the Matt Smith era - I do think there could be an interesting story here.

Think about it - River loves Matt Smith's Doctor. Not Tennant - he's not quite the same person, even though he is. She won't be automatically in love with Capaldi. River said in Silence in the Library something along the lines of 'what if you could meet the love of your life, but before they turned into the person you love. He's not quite there yet.' (not her exact words obviously, I'm a nerd, but not quite nerdy enough to memorize scripts).

Capaldi is the different end of that equation. Think of a past, big relationship you had, and then years after that relationship ended and when you've both grown up, changed and moved on, you meet each other again. It's a weird, bittersweet moment, and could give us a nice, melancholy christmas story. Could be great to see, especially through Capaldi's eyes.

Of course, River and Smith's relationship ended a bit more drastically than them simply breaking up, but you know what I mean.

I don't think this is the start of a new run of adventures where River occasionally turns up, but rather a one off story. Of course, I'm not Moffat, so what do I know.

Edit: It could also be a hook into Clara's departure from the show, if that happens at christmas. River and Matt's Doctor both had to deal with the death of the person they loved, as did Clara, and as I explained above, there could be a theme of moving on after leaving/being left by a person you deeply care about - which could apply to the Doctor and Clara as well. It's the kind of stuff that I think could work well at christmas, as we're in that time of the year where most of us slow down a bit and turn a bit more reflective about where we are and where we're going.
 
I'm not liking the news because I don't think Moffat will be doing anything new or interesting with River.
The Doctor Who Instagram said something about how she's as flirtatious as ever. Well, I'm tired of how that aspect basically took over her character.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
And I had been enjoying watching Doctor Who without River Song around to shit things up. I guess I can go ahead and write off this Christmas special right now.
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Yeah, to be honest I normally find the Christmas Specials a bit irritating, but the addition of River Song is probably going to be too much irritation to bear.
 
Yikes the River Song haters are out in droves today. Thankfully I still find the character quite enjoyable and its been years since she's been on DW cant wait to see what her and 12 are like together on screen.
 
I for one am excited to see river song interact with this doctor, just hope the dynamic is different and that he's more stern with her instead of care free and a kid again.
 
Guess that means Clara is out at the end of the series then?

Sheroking said:
In a world where there wasn't really time for the other Doctors in the 50th, I can't blame Moffat for not finding time for Captain Jack. I doubt there's some big underlying bias against the character or it's fanbase: Jack was created by Moffat.
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I thought RTD created Jack (or at least the idea of Jack), even though Moffat wrote the episodes introducing him?

Doesn't Moffat also have some thing about not wanting to play with any of RTD's characters too? Why he brought back Billie Piper for the 50th as The Moment instead of Rose, for one example.
 
I'm all for River coming back. I loved her interactions with Eleven, and cannot wait to see her interact with Capaldi's iteration. I don't get why people are saying the Christmas specials are always 'light' and 'never dramatic' - have you all forgotten Time Of The Doctor already?
 
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