Kenzodielocke
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Volgin is dead, but had still a rage aura and mantis channeled it, he came back to live for the sole purpose to kill Big Boss and take revenge.
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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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Intense hatred of D-Horse.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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The asshole is never there if you actually walk up to his area. You only see him from the chopper.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Everyone is forced to listen to Code Talker tapes which put them into a hypnotic state out of sheer boredom, then they are given any necessary hypotherapy.
Teuoxton
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So in other words: if you are into Kojima level corny garbage.
Maybe it's true what was said earlier in the thread that the game itself is meant to be the phantom pain of Metal Gear fans. A series robbed of its future, a game without a proper ending...
:'(
Well, the Mother Base staff seem to have an idea that Venom Snake isn't actually BB. So, unless they are all completely loyal, it seems like a rumour like that would get out there.
Bartholomuse
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To be honest...how comfortable do you think the press would have been telling the world that MGSV's story wasn't all that great? Try and remember how insanely hyped this game was, here and elsewhere.
Before the game was released there was no indication that the game would have any less storytelling that previous games. People were expecting a regular old MGS storyline to be buried underneath all the new crazy gameplay. There was no reason to think otherwise, after 3 years of Kojima hand edited, cinematic trailers, there was no reason to think that the game would have any less story, or any less of a conclusion.
That level of critque that your looking for now would have been wholesale dismissed in the many, many pre-release hype threads and preview/ review threads. The handful of reviews that did bring up the lack of closure had the fire blanket of "they were at a review bootcamp and missed stuff" thrown on it straight away. I think reviewers just backed away from the elephant in the room regarding the ending / narrative, and focused and what is truly great, e.g. the gameplay.
Even on this site, if you told any of the MGS diehards here pre-release, that Metal Gear Solid V would have an unsatisfying ending, not only would that person not be believed, they would be shot, hung, drawn, quartered and burnt.
I think there are defnite elements of MGSV, like GTA4 and Skyrim that reviewers were "too afraid" to draw the ire of their massive, respective fanbases.
I think review outlets lack of honesty, is in direct proportion to MGS fans blind faith in all things Metal Gear.
See if you can hit him with a tranq. Make him as sleepy as his tapes made others.
ieptbarakat
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Really wish we had a hammy fist fight with fire volgin as it's conclusion.
Anyone up for some torture?
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Spot on.
People are so desperate to see their fanfic-like fantasies being spelled out on screen that they're completely missing the point of the game. It's an in-between game, narrative-wise, and it fulfills its purpose brilliantly. That it also manages to create a new context for MG1 and 2 without retconning everything is even more commendable.
All that, on top of what's really important: fantastic gameplay. This game's the full package.
Dr Duncan Steel
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Kojima is Big Boss and Venom Snake is whoever leads the new Metal Gear project that's inevitably gonna happen. It all makes sense now.
This seems to me more that you feel it was unsatisfying as opposed to incomplete. I mean, there's a big difference between those two things.
Fuck if I could drop in and torture Huey a bit it would be something.
Instead of nothing.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Sure. I'm sure the kids and that Metal Gear will be fine on its own
*turns around*
oh shit not again
I definitely anticipated a lesser story. The trailers kept recycling the same stuff over and over and other fans generally kept telling me: "this is so cool, you can just tell Kojima is playing it close to his sleeve this time leaving so much to be discovered in game. Think about it -- we know so little. So hype."
I didn't really buy into that philosophy, much as I wanted to. Reading interviews with Kojima, it was obvious to me from the get-go that MGSV was going to be gameplay-heavy as heck. I was hoping it wouldn't be this bad, but I knew it was a possibility. I doubt I'm alone. I'm not trying to say I'm some modern Nostradamus; I think anyone who paid attention had a shot at recognizing the ~phantom truth.~
CambriaRising
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The End had working lungs.
Zabant
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In reality it is, but in a video game?
You can't apply real world logic to a game, you can't even do it in this game really, with so many doors in buildings that can't be opened despite snakes incredible lockpicking skill
So the fact this works is a great little touch.
Kenzodielocke
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How can a game in 2015 not have any sound options ? I want the game sound but everyone should shut the fuck up I am talking to you MILLER.
They're forced to listen to people say
'Not happy with the ending and narrative choices? You just don't get it! Did you even play Peace Walker? Oh you did? Well it's all that nasty Konamis fault. They only gave Kojima $80 million dollars and five years to make the game, and then forced him to cut whole chapters out. They are teh bad guys here'
Over and over again. Then they will bend and believe whatever boss is put in front of them is the true leader.
KojiPro learned a valuable lesson if they paid attention to comments like these. Big open areas are not valuable in and of themselves. There needs to be something interesting and entertaining to do there. Empty mother base, empty Afghanistan terrain in between outposts, etc.
ZeroMaverick
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See, what they don't tell you is that in his younger years, the End exclusively wore nothing but a thong. But by MGS3, he's very old and conserving energy, so he doesn't need his whole body to photosynthesize. He gets most of what he needs from his bald head.
It makes sense if you think of it this way.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
He then realizes you're not Big Boss, which in turns makes him lose his rage in bewilderment. Have you not seen the cutscene?
It's so typical: people complain that the game has too much gameplay and not enough narrative, but when the game does follow its narrative elements closely, people complain that they're not getting enough gameplay.
Metal Gear fans have NO frigging idea what they want. It's like Celda all over again.
RandomSeed
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It bridges nothing.
If MGSV was removed from the timeline it would improve the canon. It's a big blob of convoluted nothingness.
The gameplay is irrelevant to that.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Ōkami;178627310 said:
You're extracting, him?
Doctor_Thomas
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There's a massive amount of content missing between Eli's escape and "The Truth". I think that much is clear.
Chapter 2 seems like it was cobbled together to give the game some sort of ending, the most ambitious ending being cut part way through. The small number of missions combined with wholly unsatisfying conclusions to parts of the game are very evident. This game was obviously very ambitious at one stage of development, but the wallet closed and they were given a deadline and seem to have done all they could to make something that works in terms of revealing the whole twist.
The realisation for Venom seems to have a massive timeskip, but there's nothing to indicate it happened. There's soldiers on MB who now mention they don't care who you are, but they should have no real way of knowing.
The biggest disappointment though is that what they have is really good, but it comes across as the first Act of a three act narrative.
Skull Face being defeated as a false ending, Eli stealing Sahelanthropus and chasing him down, the thrilling conclusion with the DD forces with you, with various elements in between to build on characters and Venom's downfall, with The Truth as an epilogue.
It's unsatisfying because we only really have the first Act, the epilogue and some cobbled together video of Act 3.
Chapter 2 seems like it was cobbled together to give the game some sort of ending, the most ambitious ending being cut part way through. The small number of missions combined with wholly unsatisfying conclusions to parts of the game are very evident. This game was obviously very ambitious at one stage of development, but the wallet closed and they were given a deadline and seem to have done all they could to make something that works in terms of revealing the whole twist.
The realisation for Venom seems to have a massive timeskip, but there's nothing to indicate it happened. There's soldiers on MB who now mention they don't care who you are, but they should have no real way of knowing.
The biggest disappointment though is that what they have is really good, but it comes across as the first Act of a three act narrative.
Skull Face being defeated as a false ending, Eli stealing Sahelanthropus and chasing him down, the thrilling conclusion with the DD forces with you, with various elements in between to build on characters and Venom's downfall, with The Truth as an epilogue.
It's unsatisfying because we only really have the first Act, the epilogue and some cobbled together video of Act 3.
Zabant
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Yeah IMO the story I'm the game + 51 is complete but just not what people wanted. It's okay to be dissatisfied. The fan comic doesn't actually add anything that wasn't already said in the game.
Quiet does too, judging by her ability to speak without issue.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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I always try, but I can't hit anything from a moving chopper.
If you arrive and leave from the ground-level helipad in the default command platform you will circle around a bit until you can see the upper-level helipad, you should see him to the left of it on his wheel chair in area that you can only reach by ladder :lol
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Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
Ah, opinions. They're funny.
MGS V added a lot more context to Outer Heaven, Ocelot, Miller, Big Boss' understanding of his own legacy, and a lot, lot more. Just because the main premise (Naked Snake going from good guy to a tragic bad guy called Big Boss) was pretty much fulfilled with Snake Eater doesn't mean that other elements of the narrative can't still be enriched upon. Especially since the themes of TPP align so well with the central themes of the franchise.
Metal Gear is not just about (the) Snake(s). Fans need to get over this.
I have seen the cutscene and its entirely unsatisfying.
Both from a story and a gameplay perspective. (there wasn't any of either)
Also the end boss battle was 1000% better than any boss in this game.
It added context to Miller's hatred of Big Boss and nothing else.
And what "themes of TPP" are you talking about?
I think the hyperbole stems from people's literal preconceived notions on what they thought Kojima was making. Trailers weren't even necessarily misleading, the were vague as all fuck and fans filled in the blanks.
Now I really want a The End model swap.
Bartholomuse
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Peacewaker was gameplay heavy as well, more so than any previous MGS up to that point, and it still had a surprising amount of story content (albeit in animated cutscenes) I don't think you could have reliably predicted just how little traditional Kojima storytelling (cutscenes / codecs/ briefings) would be in MGSV, I wouldn't say the content of the trailers were that recylced either, they were vague and mysterious, like you said you could easily believe that Kojima was "playing cards close to his chest" and why wouldn't you? As far as Kojimas track record goes MGSV is a total outlier as far as narrative content goes.
I think the only area you could have predicted the lack of story content was in the sheer amount of times they showed off Afganistan, they showed it at not once, not twice, but at three E3's. They were clearly milking what they had.
Sv-sneaking suit from Ground Zeroes. Seeing the other ones makes me happy I had my GZ save.
ZeroMaverick
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Well, they did include moments which were cut from the game...
tryagainlater
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That's not a defense of the story. No matter where a story takes place in a timeline, it should have a beginning, a middle and an end. This game builds up to nothing. One minute you're doing a mission where you retrieve a film canister for no important reason, then you're ousting Huey from Diamond Dogs and then you have to suddenly replay the prologue which reveals the twist. That's not even a story, that's a bunch of random shit happening. Story wise, it's half a game. I've never seen a game with so much content be so obviously incomplete.
Spainkiller
the man who sold the world
I thought it was very satisfying, especially in context of the infamous "WHOOOOO!?" scene in which he got crushed. Also, seeing Volgin's normal face for a few seconds in the Fox engine was hype.
With that last sentence, do you mean the final boss of this game (Sahelanthropus) or the battle with The End in Snake Eater?
The bolded didn't happen though. It wasn't fulfilled. He was awarded the title of Big Boss but he didn't turn bad guy, let alone a tragic one.
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