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[brandonh83]

Are you basing this on all his radio remarks during missions? In cut-scenes I think he is tonally one of the most consistent characters. Just a really sad, broken person, distrusting anyone. Wish they would've dwelved deeper into him.

He does, but i thought he was one of the most fun characters in the game still.
At least he had something resembling an arc, and demonstrated some passion.

To be fair, he does get shit on a lot. Limbs, so called best buds, his eyes. Is he still there just to suffer? Yes he is.

On one hand I don't disagree and I understand why he's portrayed that way, but on the other hand the story didn't really get me that interested or emotionally invested enough in him, and on top of the execution and dialogue and excess of how much drama surrounds him I simply thought it became really ridiculous and unintentionally hilarious.

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

"DON'T KILL ANY KIDS BOSS".

What really gets me is that Miller straight up tells him to shoot the shit out of the kids in that cutscene. But Big Medic being the demon all around nice guy that he is decides against it.

Then suddenly he's against harming kids half a minute later.

 

[Zabant]

Hey guys, remember the version of snake from that N-Gage metal gear? ...guys?

 

[Dick Justice]

Well, with Olga, you could see nipple during the cutscenes on the Tanker.

And dem hairy pits.

 

[Marty-esque]

Really dumb question, but I just assumed that it was XOF who was trying to kill you at the beginning of the game... but then, why does Man on Fire/Psycho Mantis kill all the soldiers?

I believe the Man on fire and Kid Mantis were "awoken" when Venom wakes up. Mantis latched on to Skull Face afterwards. Since The man on fire came to life through Mantis, Skull Face was then able to control the man on fire. So in the hospital Skull Face wasn't controlling the man on fire yet.

 

[Toa TAK]

Platinum trophy I think.

No, Peeler is a PR handler. Nothing more.

your soul crumbles while going for the 100% but no, you unlock nothing.

Thanks peeps. I don't feel so bad now just going for achievements alone.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Hey guys, remember the version of snake from that N-Gage metal gear? ...guys?

Yes, I still own it, that and splinter cell.

 

[Ran rp]

 

[Ether_Snake]

Guys lets talk Huey:

Everyone says he is a piece of shit but I'm not so sure he killed Strangelove, it feels completely out of character for him.
I also don't think he was at fault for the MSF Motherbase going to ashes.

I think he got a lot of shit unfairly.

I thought the way his scenes were directed made it ambiguous on purpose, for example when he explains why he worked on Salentrhopus, there's always a reason to believe he is telling the truth, and one to make us think the opposite. I thought this might be resolved later but wasn't.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

You guys are insane - DD isn't even a Dog or something along those lines. Goodnight.

 

[Clear]

Lol. Maybe you should take the time to understand points before trying to argue.

I'll throw you a hint: no one said anything about a 3-act structure.

Erm, I already quoted you in my last post, but, since you insist on reiteration (emphasis is mine):

As a story, like a plot with a beginning-middle-end, the game is incomplete at best. At worst, its barely there.

Maybe you should check your own posts before trying to be snarky and failing.

 

[Misterinenja]

Started doing missions with my avatar and wearing his cool leather jacket because fuck Big Boss tbh.

 

[Reebot]

Hey guys, remember the version of snake from that N-Gage metal gear? ...guys?

Haha is that real? How was that game?

Erm, I already quoted you in my last post, but, since you insist on reiteration (emphasis is mine):



Maybe you should check your own posts before trying to be snarky and failing.

Oh so you think only 3 act stories have beginnings, middles, and ends? And not literally every complete story ever?

Dude, you misread. Rather than ask for clarification you jumped to insults. Deal with it.

I never said MGS V should or does have a 3 act structure, since I don't believe it at all. Most video games don't, and its not particularly suited to the medium.

 

[Arkanius]

You guys are insane - DD isn't even a Dog or something along those lines. Goodnight.

Well, but it is true. No one wants to admit that the dog is a fucking wolf.
I laughed though

 

[Henkka]

I can't believe he believes this. If he's such a fan of Fury Road, why not make a character like that... Don't get me wrong, I like some sexy fanservice in my japanese videogames, but there should be something tasteful, clever or at least funny about it.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I'm ashamed I belLIEved

 

[robotoboy20]

The Paz vagina bomb was bad in GZ, but I hated how in the flashback in this game you see the doctor essentially start fisting Paz's vagina to pull out the bomb.

That's pushing it a bit... I mean... you don't really see that. You see him prepare to remove it and then you hear her screaming, but you don't see anything the camera pans around and the scene is over fairly fast.

That, and the attempted rape of Quiet after the guard thinks he drowned her (or at least made her unconscious).

This is truly the worst Kojima game in treatment of females. And, maybe my mind is fuzzy, but is MGS2 the only one without any scenes of gross sexualization? I think the "worst" is Fortune's costume, but is that it? Olga was fine, as was Emma, and Rose (unlike MGS4 where you can move her boobs with the controller). MGS1 had Meryl in her underwear and the butt shots, 3 had Eva, and 4 had the Beauties. Paz in her underaged underwear in PW....

Yeah, MGS2 I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but I could be drawing a huge blank, most likely caused by parasites.

MGS3 had Eva but it also had The Boss who was kind of an antithesis to her. Eva was a femme fatal, so she was mostly just fitting her character archetype. The Boss was legit soldier who you wouldn't want to fuck with unless you wanted four broken limbs and to eat out of a straw. Yeah... I think that after 3 the series had Kojima begin dictating far too many aspects of the series. He's not the only writer... but he has FAR too much control.

 

[TwoDurans]

Really dumb question, but I just assumed that it was XOF who was trying to kill you at the beginning of the game... but then, why does Man on Fire/Psycho Mantis kill all the soldiers?

Mantis and Quiet were sent by Skull Face to kill BB. Mantis saw the body of Sokolov in the hospital and latched onto his hatred turning him into the Man on Fire. This is why he was going crazy, and killing the Cipher soldiers. They attacked him first because they'd never seen him an figured he was a threat.

MoF was abandoned by Mantis when he saw his brother Eli who had even more rage and hatred for Mantis to leech.

 

[Broken Joystick]

Guys lets talk Huey:

Everyone says he is a piece of shit but I'm not so sure he killed Strangelove, it feels completely out of character for him.
I also don't think he was at fault for the MSF Motherbase going to ashes.

I think he got a lot of shit unfairly.

Nah he's a 100% cardboard cutout cunt. Made his son a test pilot for Metal Gear so he could continue research, killed Strangelove because she disapproved. The MB thing is ambiguous but he somehow makes it out alive, which like one of the characters states, seems fishy. Must have made a deal with XOF. Also does a lot of shit without telling Boss or anyone else.

 

[Zabant]

Haha is that real? How was that game?

It's ok, snake gets trapped in the Matrix.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

Hey guys, remember the version of snake from that N-Gage metal gear? ...guys?

Wait. Did this come out physically? Because I need to own it.

Trying for a complete NA MG/MGS collection.

 

[Ishida]

That's pushing it a bit... I mean... you don't really see that. You see him prepare to remove it and then you hear her screaming, but you don't see anything the camera pans around and the scene is over fairly fast.

From the "flashback" I think it's pretty clear he was pushing his hand up her vajayjay, dude.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Funny you use the world tonally considering he seems to have two seperate voices, normal Miller and "GRRRRR THE PHANTOM PAAIIIIN FUCK QUIET" Miller

Yeah, the raspy Batman voice that Miller puts on at times when he's angry in the tapes sounds ridiculous. He sounds less haunted and more whiny teenager.

 

[The Silver]

Better than what Solidus got.

(Still pissed we never got a real Big Boss facecamo instead of this troll bullshit).

At least they have some toys

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Finished that Paz side plot, lol wtf was that garbage

 

[Hellwarden]

I hated MGS4, but for the opposite reason I'm starting to really dislike MGSV.

MGS4 was a game that had too much story, but no gameplay to go along with it. The gameplay that was there was poorly thought out, linear, and lacked the enjoyable variety I associated with the series. It felt like a game that loved its story fanservice too much. Sure there were problems with the story too, but that can be said of every MGS.

MGSV is a game that has loads of gameplay, but no story to connect any of it. The character's motivations and their actions often oppose each other. Story arcs end before they begin. It feels like giant middle portions of story arcs are just missing. You know, how in Snake Eater how almost all of the characters are likable? Not in that you actually like them, but you enjoy watching them? The jeep scene in particular drove home how little I cared about who won this conflict. How soulless the characters seem despite the flamboyancy they occasionally spout. Everyone in the plots seems bored to be honest, unless they're growling at something. It's a Metal Gear Solid game that lacks the soul of the series, which could be both dumb and smart at the same time.

I feel like, once some time passes, MGSV will ultimately feel like nothing at all.

 

[Ether_Snake]

That's pushing it a bit... I mean... you don't really see that. You see him prepare to remove it and then you hear her screaming, but you don't see anything the camera pans around and the scene is over fairly fast.



MGS3 had Eva but it also had The Boss who was kind of an antithesis to her. Eva was a femme fatal, so she was mostly just fitting her character archetype. The Boss was legit soldier who you wouldn't want to fuck with unless you wanted four broken limbs and to eat out of a straw. Yeah... I think that after 3 the series had Kojima begin dictating far too many aspects of the series. He's not the only writer... but he has FAR too much control.

People say that but I always think back how Shinkawa wanted Raiden to be someone who would crawl on all four and lick pigeon poop.

I think we just have to accept MGS as it is, and hope that maybe eventually the quirks will be resolved. A lot of trailers for V made me think it would be, but in the end it still remained, mainly Quiet and SF scenes. The rest was MUCH less janky than MGS4, which was really jank overload.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Nah he's a 100% cardboard cutout cunt. Made his son a test pilot for Metal Gear so he could continue research, killed Strangelove because she disapproved. The MB thing is ambiguous but he somehow makes it out alive, which like one of the characters states, seems fishy. Must have made a deal with XOF. Also does a lot of shit without telling Boss or anyone else.

Honestly it was pretty stupid to make him Otocons dad.

It simply reduces the possibilities with him, and considering how horrible he was and how much backstabbing he did, he should have been executed in front of all of Mother Base, but instead he's sent away because the script says he has to live.

I mean shit, if Skull Face is judging you and calling you out you know you're fucked.

 

[Resilient]

This is easily the BEST use of the gif ever, I am actually saving this entire post because holy shit everything about it is so so so fucking spot on. that is amazing.

link to my new favourite post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=178650995&postcount=2344

 

[J-Skee]

Ummm...did you read what I posted? I was talking about an old theory from a while back.

*facepalm* my bad. Completely missed that part. I apologize.

 

[Spaghetti]

Guys lets talk Huey:

Everyone says he is a piece of shit but I'm not so sure he killed Strangelove, it feels completely out of character for him.
I also don't think he was at fault for the MSF Motherbase going to ashes.

I think he got a lot of shit unfairly.

it's ambiguous, and i guess that's the point. he's still a real piece of shit though.

 

[Kikujiro]

paz

raped and forced into sex with a child. has bomb stuffed up her vagina.

quiet

is sexualized in every way possible and isn't allowed to speak

strangelove

is basically buried alive by her husband

Spoiler

or chooses to go out that way? i forget. whatever.

fuck off kojima

Kojima definitely comes off as an old perv who creates these female characters only to satisfy his own fantasies (see what Sakamoto did with Samus in Other M) and you know what? I would be totally ok if it was just that, the problem is that he acts like there's a deep meaning behind it, when it's clear to anyone that he's delusional. This is the true sexism in videogames, not Dragon's Crown art style. I lost a lot of respect for him, I can't believe this is the same guy who wrote a smart game like MGS2.

 

[The Silver]

Is it time to update this with a 4th snake?

Solidus "Forgotten" Snake

 

[robotoboy20]

Miller is probably the worst character in a videogame. I've never in my life heard anyone bitch as much as he does.

Whining and "bitching" do not a bad character make... It's a common gripe from everyone, because they don't want to hear complaining in their entertainment, complaining however can give a character a shit ton more depth than a character he never shows their emotions. Miller is THE most emotive character in this game, and in my opinion best one. He's not dead pan like Venom, or bored sounding like Ocelot... or even hammy and peachy as shit like Skull Face.

 

[Majine]

Solidus "Forgotten" Snake

In the lines of playable characters, I thought about Venom Snake.

Nobody cares about Solidus.

 

[BulletBees]

Hey guys, remember the version of snake from that N-Gage metal gear? ...guys?

I had this on my old Verizon Razr phone. Good stuff.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Please don't respond with past mission 36 spoilers but did Quiet reveal she was sent to spread English at Mother Base and that's why she doesn't speak cause she changed her mind? Pretty cool.

So far at this point I don't know why you peeps have your undies in a bunch but I'll keep waiting. Story ain't Shakespeare but I'm into it as much as the other games. Quiet, Miller, Huey and Eli are fascinating characters to me so far... Excited to see how they turn out.

 

[Berserker976]

I can't believe this is the same guy who wrote a smart game like MGS2.

Well... co-wrote. Look up Tomokazu Fukushima. Might explain some things in the Metal Gear series.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

I miss Cecile and stuff like this in general outside of the hamburgers of kazuhira the game was missing a lot of the classic MGS humor.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Wait. Did this come out physically? Because I need to own it.

Trying for a complete NA MG/MGS collection.

I don't think so, it was part of ngage 2.0, so it never had cartridge unlike splinter cell.

 

[Resilient]

definitely update the GIF to suit Fake Snake.

and yeah I tried to believe the Quiet stuff was gonna have some deep meaning but it didn't
and the rain dancing scene was just fucking stupid and ruined it for me
still liked the character though but it was a real missed opportunity and a massive fuck you to women in gaming.

 

[Hands of Stone]

Is it time to update this with a 4th snake?

Please include Solidus. Pls

 

[Resilient]

Please don't respond with past mission 36 spoilers but did Quiet reveal she was sent to spread English at Mother Base and that's why she doesn't speak cause she changed her mind? Pretty cool.

So far at this point I don't know why you peeps have your undies in a bunch but I'll keep waiting. Story ain't Shakespeare but I'm into it as much as the other games. Quiet, Miller, Huey and Eli are fascinating characters to me so far... Excited to see how they turn out.

Bro hop out of this thread real quick
or stop playing

pick 1

 

[tuxfool]

Please don't respond with past mission 36 spoilers but did Quiet reveal she was sent to spread English at Mother Base and that's why she doesn't speak cause she changed her mind? Pretty cool.

So far at this point I don't know why you peeps have your undies in a bunch but I'll keep waiting. Story ain't Shakespeare but I'm into it as much as the other games. Quiet, Miller, Huey and Eli are fascinating characters to me so far... Excited to see how they turn out.

Keep your excitement in check and you'll be fine.

 

[akidnamededdy]

Mantis and Quiet were sent by Skull Face to kill BB. Mantis saw the body of Sokolov in the hospital and latched onto his hatred turning him into the Man on Fire. This is why he was going crazy, and killing the Cipher soldiers. They attacked him first because they'd never seen him an figured he was a threat.

MoF was abandoned by Mantis when he saw his brother Eli who had even more rage and hatred for Mantis to leech.

Dude what no

Big Boss woke up and this triggered Mantis's powers, which downed the plane he was on. He was then taken to the same research facility that Volgin's body was kept at (not Sokolov)

From here, Mantis "attaches" to Volgin's anger, turning him into the Man on Fire, and they head out so Volgin can kill Big Boss.

At the same time, Skullface sends XOF to kill Big Boss. Volgin/Mantis are there on their own mission to kill Big Boss and they end up duking it out with XOF as well.

After everything here happens, Skullface picks up Mantis and Volgin, and NOW they work for him, until Mantis bonds with Eli.

 

[robotoboy20]

From the "flashback" I think it's pretty clear he was pushing his hand up her vajayjay, dude.

Yes, but to remove a bomb... I suppose he could have cut her open further after having just done that once, but I don't know the situation was very tense. It's not like he was "FISTING HER!" he was removing a fucking bomb which was stupid as fuck to have been there in the first place... but honestly... the removal bit is a lame thing to be angry about.

 

[Gator86]

I have always been amazed by the cult of personality that's cropped up around Kojima over the years. He's kind of an ignorant clown. Some of the stuff in Metal Gear is amazing and, at times, even somewhat insightful. But huge chunks of it are overly-long, drawn out nonsense blathering on about things that aren't intelligent in the least. Even worse, some stuff is legitimately offensive, like his treatment of women, to the point that it makes me not even want to play his games. The fact that he thinks anything about Quiet is well-written or paradigm-shifting is genuinely sad.

 

[Mass One]

Guys lets talk Huey:

Everyone says he is a piece of shit but I'm not so sure he killed Strangelove, it feels completely out of character for him.
I also don't think he was at fault for the MSF Motherbase going to ashes.

I think he got a lot of shit unfairly.

Huey played you liked a

Spoiler

wolbachia mutation

. His people manipulating skills rival ocelot. I feel like the AI Pod and shooting skull face in the face skull would be enough to consider him capable. And I would apply occam's razor to the quarantine thing and Ground Zeroes incident. This is all most likely his fault.

 

[Clear]

Oh so you think only 3 act stories have beginnings, middles, and ends? And not literally every complete story ever?

Dude, you misread. Rather than ask for clarification you jumped to insults. Deal with it.

I never said MGS V should or does have a 3 act structure, since I don't believe it at all. Most video games don't, and its not particularly suited to the medium.

Please, stop flailing. Trying to create a semantic straw man based on the specificity of a 3-act structure isn't going to fly when you know damn well the point at hand is the validity of linear versus fragmented narratives.

And no, I didn't jump to insult. I merely questioned the validity of the complaint in a casual -albeit offhand- manner. Which I think was deserved and you have yet to demonstrate otherwise.

 

[Zabant]

Wait. Did this come out physically? Because I need to own it.

Trying for a complete NA MG/MGS collection.

Nope and it's completely unobtainable legally today, what's hilarious is it's also still canon.

Basically the tales of snake and otacon before 2 but after 1 when they're in philanthropy.