Jimquisition (September 14th, 2015) - A Quiet Conversation
- Thread starter L~A
- Start date
nrvalleytime
Member
Glad to see so many people find her design irritating and unnecessary. Looking forward to watching this one.
Worst part is, it ain't even the design for me. It's the directing and the all the stupid poses she does.
If it would only be the design, it would be an improvement to what it currently is. She's straight up posing for the player in multiple cutscenes and in the ACC like a striptease dancer.
For me its both
All this insane ass tech couldnt give her some speciality suit that helps her breathe mean while a few decades later mgr is happening
Yep. It's the design, it's the posing and it's Kojima's juvenile learing camera direction. It's as if the game is designed for the prepubescent children of gaming. Kojima's direction around women lacks any elegance, class, or style.
Smooth Operator
Member
Such a lust for her design, WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SketchTheArtist
Member
So apart from being nearly naked and putting on sexy poses here and there, what's the problem here again? What are we supposed to be angry about?
Maube he wants to talk about it
Gentleman is always fashionably late. Don't you know anything?
I feel like this is going to be brought up a lot more in the future, actually. Especially as more people LTTP play and get to the game and see some of the cringey as hell scenes around her.
Tizoc
Member
In MGS5 you mean right?
Cuz I think it's generally WELL RECieved how he handled Eva and The Boss in MGS3.
No one is, because in the end everyone was so right. It was quite obvious she is nothing more than wank material.
I hadn't paid much attention to any MGSV stuff with Quiet in it, but holy shit all the posing! And the stretching in the rain! Jesus Christ, that's egregious. God forbid the female face of the game be a positive role model.
Granted, I guess we all know why she got marketed so heavily now. How disgusting.
Granted, I guess we all know why she got marketed so heavily now. How disgusting.
Vlaphor
Member
We're not allowed to like it anymore. It's in the rules, didn't you hear?
That comment was specific to MGS5, but I felt the same way about MGS3, but I'd agree that for the most part he thankfully let's the boss just be a normal character without the learing, posing and other stupidity
Spider_Jerusalem
Member
Yeah, the whole Quiet's aspect explaination is bollocks. They simply wanted to show a sexy character, that's all. The plot itself rebuts that explaination later on in the game... shameless.
The obvious objectification of women while men are actual characters? Is it that hard to understand? It's a discussion that has been going on for decades. Welcome to the modern world.
She isn't a real character, she is there for you to be looked at and aroused by.
Dumb things in video games get criticized too, just like dumb things in movies.
You can get personally offended by that or not.
N7Commander95
Member
The fact that Kojima pretended that the reason for this was some higher narrative reason. However when said narrative reason for the pervy nature of her characters treatment is held up to both basic logic and even Metal Gear Solid Logic, it falls apart and is clear that Kojima just wanted a sexy character for players to oggle at.
I know. I remember during the original reveal people defended Kojima.
Kojima is a massive perve and wears that on his sleeve.
I think the point is, that he doesn't.......
N7Commander95
Member
Well at the very least its honest, and relatively less insulting to players who try to engage with the story
WrenchNinja
Member
It's really impressive that the lone female supporting character in the game is reduced to this.
Strangelove77
Member
Dead horse beating, I'm so tuning in.
I'm sure he's got something new to bring to the conversation.
I'm sure he's got something new to bring to the conversation.
djplaeskool
Member
Kojima is somewhere sitting in a velvet lounge chair swirling a glass of brandy and laughing while watching all of us squirm.
Newtype-001
Member
Sad thing is that shes actually an interesting character, probably the most in mgsv. I haven't finished it yet tho.
At least when it's overt you know what you're getting into. No one is gonna pick up DOA Extreme Beach Volleyball and be shocked at what they find. Someone who hates objectification could buy a game that hides it and feel like they were cheated/tricked. They spent their money on a product that, had they known the contents of it, they wouldn't have bought it. It comes across as scummy imo.
TBH, in MGSV nobody really is a real character. They're merely somewhat inherited from previous games.
She would be passable if it weren't for the cutscenes and camera angles.
It's true, I would have thought it was stupid but I would have probably never bothered saying as much as I did if he didn't come out with "ashamed of your words and deeds".
The whole thing with
Paz is arguably worse btw.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Sooooo, if people are wanting to defend this kinda shit, I wanna know what arguments will be used for her design and movements/cutscenes in the game, because the ingame explanation for her "nudity" is fucking thin.
I don't think so, really, but at least those games aren't dishonest about it. You know the kind of bullshit you're in for when you buy Senran Kagura or whatever Vita anime game it is that's popular this month.
"So I guess you can never have sexy stuff in a video game, huh? I guess I just don't want to be as close-minded as that" or some such nonsense is what it usually comes down to.
All I got from the Jimquisition video was, that objectification is ok as long as it's overt, he's "angry" about is being dressed up, not the actual objectification, is this really the kind of message that should be sent out?.
This is what Sword Art Online does to us every week.
Similar threads
- Locked