Jimquisition (September 14th, 2015) - A Quiet Conversation

Pretty good point
even if it's pretty old lol
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I'm the type of person that enjoy games like Oneechanbara and Senran Kagura so yay for titties. The problem with Quiet is, just as Jim said, trying to pose it as not just an excuse to show skin.

If Kojima just went Kenichiro Takaki's way and said "I just want to show boobs", instead of trying to put STORY REASONS on it, I would have accepted it much better.

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I haven't played MGS V yet, does the game makes a comparison between her and The End and try to get an "excuse" for The End not needing to be practically naked?
 
N7Commander95 said:
The fact that Kojima pretended that the reason for this was some higher narrative reason. However when said narrative reason for the pervy nature of her characters treatment is held up to both basic logic and even Metal Gear Solid Logic, it falls apart and is clear that Kojima just wanted a sexy character for players to oggle at.
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I like how all of the sudden people are pretending like the outrage over Quiet's designed never happened when she was initially revealed, and that people's real issue is that the "narrative reason" is not logical or what ever.

I understand that being against sexy women in video games while at the same time wanting to empower women causes an internal conflict for you people, as you don't want to be seen as sex negative, but you can't have your cake and eat it too, just like Jim think's he can, but not Kojima.
 
RK128 said:
I am not a huge fan of the MGS series (despite owning a lot of the series games) but I have been keeping up with the media regarding MGS V and man.....why did they make Quiet's design the way it was :l?
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Because Kojima is a horny otaku, there was no reason for her to dress like that and the reason behind it is so stupid it makes me question how a grown up man can be so delusional.
 
As i haven't played the game (and i don't care about it really) after seeing this i can safely say that Kojima is the most cringe-worthy writer in video games history.
 
Supaidaman said:
Pretty good point
even if it's pretty old lol
.

I'm the type of person that enjoy games like Oneechanbara and Senran Kagura so yay for titties. The problem with Quiet is, just as Jim said, trying to pose it as not just an excuse to show skin.

If Kojima just went Kenichiro Takaki's way and said "I just want to show boobs", instead of trying to put STORY REASONS on it, I would have accepted it much better.

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I haven't played MGS V yet, does the game makes a comparison between her and The End and try to get an "excuse" for The End not needing to be practically naked?
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He would have been raked over the coals moreso than he is now.
 
I think if you're more specific you can justify it easily. The reason she bends over to show Big Boss her ass is to show she breaths through her butt cheek skin and the reason she has breast physics is to show how humiliating it is to have to breath through her tit skin. It all makes sense when the context is broken down like that.
 
Xater said:
Sadly the terrible cutscenes with her showering or dancing around in the rain would still exist. Also her posing in the chopper.
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The rain scene would have been at least 24% more tolerable if she didn't have massive DOA tit physics. Would have been better if it was Big Boss dancing with Miller. Missing limbs and all.
 
nkarafo said:
As i haven't played the game (and i don't care about it really) after seeing this i can safely say that Kojima is the most cringe-worthy writer in video games history.
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oN THE one hand he always has been, people need to realize that the MGS series is made by an Otaku, and I don't use the term negatively but rather to temper one's expectations.
 
Kenzodielocke said:
Sooooo, if people are wanting to defend this kinda shit, I wanna know what arguments will be used for her design and movements/cutscenes in the game, because the ingame explanation for her "nudity" is fucking thin.
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It's even dumber the more I think about it. She was a
professional killer
probably the best in the
XOF
but then a couple of weeks later she starts writhing all over the place when she's bored?

Just picture quiet like a track athlete, skin on show but with no embarrassing jiggle. That would've been better. Hell a jumpsuit with holes might've worked. As it is she's on the grusome side of sexy and it's kinda depressing.
 
diamount said:
Hmm, your content is becoming increasingly stale Jim. For the sake of my pledge, do be more creative.
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The Jimquisition has always been aimed at the weeks "biggest news/controversy". For more creative content Jim does a lot of other videos/lets plays.
 
matrix-cat said:
There's also the fact that her two big badass action scenes in the game are brought about as a result of people trying to rape her. The part where she jams her knife down the Mother Base soldier's throat (obviously because he tried to ram something down hers), and the later scene with the Russian soldiers are both such cliche, woman-scorned, I-Spit-On-Your-Grave rapesploitation movie things, or whatever you'd call them.

Just, fucking, let her be a person, y'know? The game constantly undermines the actually interesting story of her character by never letting you forget that she dresses like a stripper with great big jiggly tits who drives all the boys wild.
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She attacks the mother base soldier because
he has the vocal parasite.
 
Audioboxer said:
The Jimquisition has always been aimed at the weeks "biggest news/controversy". For more creative content Jim does a lot of other videos/lets plays.
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This hasn't been news for nearly 3 weeks now. I miss the Jim of yore who actually provided a point of discussion, now he's just relying on the Konami hate bandwagon - there are so many other issues for him to tackle.
 
Fantastic ep. It makes me almost jealous to see a guy like this able to make a seriously informed and intelligent point whilst making me laugh like a fuckin' drain in the process. Thank God for him indeed.

I know why Kojima does this. He's obsessed with using the evolution of graphical engines to mo-cap the most realistic nude, jiggly, wet female bodies he can. It's almost a litmus test for new tech, like how realistic a pin-up girl can we make? He did it with MGS1 (Mei Ling photo op in Integral), MGS3 (Eva) and MGS4 (B+B's), and there's no way he was going to get through his one shot with the FOX engine without some hardcore mammary and booty action. It's disgraceful, but there it is.

A shame, because Quiet's one the best female characters in the series, especially if you've seen how her overall story pans out.
 
Boke1879 said:
Aside from noticing it in the first few scenes now I don't even care. She's one of the best buddies to take on missions and her character and arc is proababyl the best in the game.

I do find it quite funny people are jumping on this now when Kojima has literally done this with all his games with both male and female characters. Vamp immediately comes to mind.
Vamp is in no way similar to Quiet.


Hell in Peace Walker you can go on a gay date with Kaz in nothing but underwear and beat each other up to both of them saying sexual innuendos.
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Vamp is in no way similar to Quiet and having an alternative clothing that is used more for comedic effect than constantly leering at the ass crack of Snake isn't the same either.
 
diamount said:
This hasn't been news for nearly 3 weeks now. I miss the Jim of yore who actually provided a point of discussion, now he's just relying on the Konami hate bandwagon - there are so many other issues for him to tackle.
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His review for MGS5 went up on the 6th - http://www.thejimquisition.com/2015/09/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-review/

Given that you need to play a large chunk of the game to finally understand Kojima's reasoning, I doubt he'd have had time to do this video last week on the 7th. I don't really see how this has been news for 3 weeks. Sure people were discussing Quiet since she was revealed, but we only found out the narrative reason the days following the 1st of the month (and as Jim doesn't get a review copy, he'd have to buy the game and play it like us).
 
Kintaro said:
Kojima is a perv and has put pervy things throughout the entire MGS series. He even stated Quiets design was for cosplayers before he threw out that "serious" reason. And you know what? The reason perfectly fits within all of the other weird ass shit in the MG series.

The real problem here is that fans put Kojima in a pedestal. For years he has done this and no one gave a shit. Now we are supposed to? Nothing has changed. He trolls fans, he trolls and media and did what he wanted to do for his entire career and now people are mad about it? Nah.

A series full of techno babble, skimpy outfits, innuendos, giant robots, ninjas, porn mags, dates, using a cardboard box for cover and more weird shit. Shit we loved about the series. People just took Kojima too damned seriously.

Get upset if you want but its years too late to do so. You just got trolled again by Kojima.
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Totally agree. All of a sudden its too much.
 
Tizoc said:
I take it Jim doesn't want to risk going deeper and have an ep. about female character designs and presentation in some other Japanese developed games?
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Risk going deeper? Have you even watched the video?
He doesnt really give too much of a fuck about "sexy" character designs if you dont try to hide to are doing actually that. He even uses onenchebara and senran kagura as examples, that he doesnt really mind as they arent trying to hide the designs are made for a fap.
 
DeviantBoi said:
Can we get a "Grow up and fuck off" gif?
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I wouldn't put it that bluntly, but there's a serious uproar over something that isn't that big a deal. Personally, I covered Quiet up with a costume you obtain late in game. It's not like her breasts are exposed to all the twelve year olds out there.

I have to admit that Jim's review of MGS5 concerning. 9/10 Jim? With all of the faults? You were the chosen one.
 
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I have little to no interest in this game but would have bought it for a few UK pounds on a Steam sale. Seeing as I will be subjected to obnoxious and nauseating camera shots of this character's anus and breasts...

...I think I will go the Styx route for any stealth gaming needs.
 
diamount said:
I see, so it's news relevant to him - not to the industry.
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It's news relevant to anyone who was waiting for the answer to the "you will feel shame" remark Kojima thew at us. I'd say the majority of MGS fans were waiting to see what narrative reasoning was given, and now that we know it's worth discussing given what it is.
 
I do agree with him and it is a terrible design but the reason for it Jim says is missing out a fairly important part. She does that because
She can't use her lungs anymore, after being completely burnt.
That doesn't make it any better, though.
 
Kintaro said:
Kojima is a perv and has put pervy things throughout the entire MGS series. He even stated Quiets design was for cosplayers before he threw out that "serious" reason. And you know what? The reason perfectly fits within all of the other weird ass shit in the MG series.

The real problem here is that fans put Kojima in a pedestal. For years he has done this and no one gave a shit. Now we are supposed to? Nothing has changed. He trolls fans, he trolls and media and did what he wanted to do for his entire career and now people are mad about it? Nah.

A series full of techno babble, skimpy outfits, innuendos, giant robots, ninjas, porn mags, dates, using a cardboard box for cover and more weird shit. Shit we loved about the series. People just took Kojima too damned seriously.

Get upset if you want but its years too late to do so. You just got trolled again by Kojima.
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My point exactly. Kojima is obviously open Critism. But he's literally done this shit in every game. As you said he's gotten away with it too long and now it doesn't even matter. There won't be any patches to put clothes on her because you can develop that yourself in the main game.

Hell Kojima even said he made the character the way he did so people can cosplay her. Which many people both male and female are doing
 
Jarmel said:
Kojima's storytelling capabilities went straight down the toilet on almost all fronts in this game. Quiet is just a highlight on that front and how her unnecessary sexualization takes away from her characterization.
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Except she has the best arc in the game.
 
Audioboxer said:
It's news relevant to anyone who was waiting for the answer to the "you will feel shame" remark Kojima thew at us. I'd say the majority of MGS fans were waiting to see what narrative reasoning was given, and now that we know it's worth discussing given what it is.
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Yes, but then it's not very interesting is it? I'd rather he go back to shaming Unity asset copy/pasters.

Auctopus said:
Except she has the best arc in the game.
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He wasn't the sole writer of MGS V.
 
I've got my umbrella primed for a torrent of boiled piss, as I'm about to suggest Hideo Kojima is less than perfect.
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i agree with everything but this

even the most ardent kojima fan will tell you he's not perfect for one reason or another

i know i stopped believing in godjima around 10 years ago, and full-on went kojima atheist with MGS4
 
How sad is it that this is the *only* story-related thing anyone's talking about with the new Metal Gear Solid game? We used to talk about The Boss. The microwave hallway. Liquid's arm. GW. Meryl and Johnny.

With the new game? Some girl's chest. That's it.

Fuck this game.
 
TheVoidDragon said:
I do agree with him and it is a terrible design but the reason for it Jim says is missing out a fairly important part. She does that because
She can't use her lungs anymore, after being completely burnt.
That doesn't make it any better, though.
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He isn't missing it at all. You must have paid very little attention.

If you breather through your skin you don't have to be completely naked. The End did the same and he isn't running around with his dick hanging around.
 
Boke1879 said:
My point exactly. Kojima is obviously open Critism. But he's literally done this shit in every game. As you said he's gotten away with it too long and now it doesn't even matter. There won't be any patches to put clothes on her because you can develop that yourself in the main game.

Hell Kojima even said he made the character the way he did so people can cosplay her. Which many people both male and female are doing
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Who's even suggested that? No-one's even said that "he has to change her" or anything, people are just being critical
 
CyanideFuse said:
I have little to no interest in this game but would have bought it for a few UK pounds on a Steam sale. Seeing as I will be subjected to obnoxious and nauseating camera shots of this character's anus and breasts...

...I think I will go the Styx route for any stealth gaming needs.
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Anus? What videos are you watching?
 
How I feel about Quiet:
a) Her near-nudity is unjustified; the reason is ridiculous and doesn't stand up to scrutiny;
b) Her constant near-nudity and the focus on her breasts does hurt the game, it was almost oppressively omnipresent if you liked her as a buddy;
c) I can't lie, despite the above points I fucking loved it. My brain will never not like that kind of fanservice. This is why people add it to their work - it works on an amazing amount of people, including me. From that perspective, Quiet was the best.
 
Xer0 said:
How sad is it that this is the *only* story-related thing anyone's talking about with the new Metal Gear Solid game? We used to talk about The Boss. The microwave hallway. Liquid's arm. GW. Meryl and Johnny.

With the new game? Some girl's chest. That's it.

Fuck this game.
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Oh there's other story stuff that people will talk about

Like all of the cut content
 
Xer0 said:
How sad is it that this is the *only* story-related thing anyone's talking about with the new Metal Gear Solid game? We used to talk about The Boss. The microwave hallway. Liquid's arm. GW. Meryl and Johnny.

With the new game? Some girl's chest. That's it.

Fuck this game.
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We also talk about skullface.

WHOOOOOOOOOOO
 
diamount said:
Yes, but then it's not very interesting is it? I'd rather he go back to shaming Unity asset copy/pasters.
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Each to their own. I guess some would say another video on unity asset copying, given he's done a few, wouldn't be interesting now?

Anyone who contributes to him have 4 videos a month to watch (at least), so I guess you should always be prepared for one or two not to float your boat.
 
diamount said:
I see, so it's news relevant to him - not to the industry.
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Okay, okay, we get it, you don't want this subject to be discussed and threaten to remove your donation. As you can see from this thread, plenty of people appreciated the video so I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve here.
 
Naminator said:
I like how all of the sudden people are pretending like the outrage over Quiet's designed never happened when she was initially revealed, and that people's real issue is that the "narrative reason" is not logical or what ever.

I understand that being against sexy women in video games while at the same time wanting to empower women causes an internal conflict for you people, as you don't want to be seen as sex negative, but you can't have your cake and eat it too, just like Jim think's he can, but not Kojima.
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1) No one is ignoring it. The same people who call this kind of reasoning BS are the same people who doubted Kojima actually had any kind of good reasoning for this kind objectification of one of its main characters.

2) Being a sexy woman is not a problem (though, yes, there is an argument to be made that games should have more variety in the looks department and have more ugly characters and not just super models). Being a women in very little clothes because of extremely dumb & flimsy reasoning and having that woman put into stripper-like sexy poses while the camera focuses on her ass & titties is the problem. That Quiet constantly bends down either to show her ass or titties to the camera is the problem. And Kojima somehow trying to justify her looks with an extremely stupid reason is the problem.
 
Auctopus said:
Except she has the best arc in the game.
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You mean that arc that is like swiss cheese in regards to plotholes?

Boke1879 said:
Tell me Vamps motive in the overall plot. And look at MGS4 at his constant sexual movements and innuendos. And I absolutely love his character
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I honestly dont know lol. But i really dont see it. He's absolutely not designed to be an attractive wetdream fantasy.
 
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