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[Geg]

The part where she jams her knife down the Mother Base soldier's throat (obviously because he tried to ram something down hers)

Er, I don't think you understood what was going on in that scene

 

[Tizoc]

And again, not to this degree. Eva might have a somewhat revealing outfit, but that had at least a somewhat good story reason (seduction of a man) and her breasts and ass are not constantly the focus of the camera nor does she perform an awkward striptease-ish dance or shove her ass & titties at Snake's face/the camera all the time. Spying Meryl in MGS1 is an easter egg at best and, again, nowhere near the level of titillation Quiet is used as. MGS2 doesn't have anything of the sort done to its female characters that I can remember (and no, Raiden's treatment is in no way comparable, nor is Vamp a similarly objectified character).

MGS4 might have something, but I haven't played it for more than a few hours so I can't comment on that.

If I may add, MGS3 had James Bond 007 nods, so Eva was like the Bond Girl of MGS3.

 

[Boney]

The fact that she takes off her ripped stockings off and then puts them on again later on is what slays me.

What a fucking shit character. It's beyond embarrassing

 

[Boke1879]

And again, not to this degree. Eva might have a somewhat revealing outfit, but that had at least a somewhat good story reason (seduction of a man) and her breasts and ass are not constantly the focus of the camera nor does she perform an awkward striptease-ish dance or shove her ass & titties at Snake's face/the camera all the time. Spying Meryl in MGS1 is an easter egg at best and, again, nowhere near the level of titillation Quiet is used as. MGS2 doesn't have anything of the sort done to its female characters that I can remember (and no, Raiden's treatment is in no way comparable, nor is Vamp a similarly objectified character).

MGS4 might have something, but I haven't played it for more than a few hours so I can't comment on that.

The beauty and the beast unit

 

[Htown]

That sounds like a rip-off of Oneechanbara, where the protag is fighting in a bikini because she absorbs the blood of the monsters she slays through her skin.

oh god you're right

it's LITERALLY Oneechanbara tier justification

he couldn't figure out something better than that trashy D-tier budget bikini zombie slayer series.

Spoiler

i heard the combat in the latest one is alright

 

[Xpike]

There's also the fact that her two big badass action scenes in the game are brought about as a result of people trying to rape her. The part where she jams her knife down the Mother Base soldier's throat (obviously because he tried to ram something down hers), and the later scene with the Russian soldiers are both such cliche, woman-scorned, I-Spit-On-Your-Grave rapesploitation movie things, or whatever you'd call them.

Just, fucking, let her be a person, y'know? The game constantly undermines the actually interesting story of her character by never letting you forget that she dresses like a stripper with great big jiggly tits who drives all the boys wild.

uh i dont think you read that scene in mother base right

 

[Shaanyboi]

That sounds like a rip-off of Oneechanbara, where the protag is fighting in a bikini because she absorbs the blood of the monsters she slays through her skin.

oh god you're right

it's LITERALLY Oneechanbara tier justification

lol holy shit, I didn't even think of that. Ohhhh man.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Jim, the Quiet horse is beaten to a bloody pulp and there's nothing left. You're extremely late to the party.

Gotta put something out for his supporters.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Uhh, you can say that because it is. The justification for it in 3 does not mean that it isn't more prominent than in 2.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

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[/QUOTE]

When do old men need to cover their nipples. He would have less on that Quiet (no stockings that easily rip that's for sure), and it would be totally fine. I didn't remember The End being able to vanish like Quiet, he just had camoflauge skin iirc. You could see him plainly right? Unlike Octocamo. Maybe he's not the same as Quiet's situation that would be a spoiler. Especially his stuff is old and probably totally from a different research group.

 

[hiex_]

Quiet being sexy is fine, and there doesn't even need to be a story-related reason for her clothing and manner.

 

[antitrop]

How sad is it that this is the *only* story-related thing anyone's talking about with the new Metal Gear Solid game?

There's a certain Skull Face scene that is getting quite a bit of attention, as well.

 

[Dick Justice]

Played for laughs, and is a short section of the game, nowhere near as prominent as in 3, where EVA is a character from near the start of the game until the very end.

 

[Famassu]

What about the camera intentionally focusing on ishmeals ass in the hallway scene in MGSV.

All most people are saying is this series has been known to put its characters both male and female into very odd and suggestive sexual situations.

I can already tell how many people didn't play Peace Walker in this thread lol

If you can't separate the differences between characters like Vamp (who is sexual, but not overly objectified) and Raiden (who is made to appeal to female gamers, but isn't put into... "compromising" poses in every cutscene) vs. Quiet, whose major purpose seems to be as eye candy for the players for "reasons", then I don't know what to say.

 

[Lime]

I see some people are already as defensive and in denial like the last thread that got locked. I guess I'll have to reconcile myself with the sexist status quo.

Anyway, Quiet as a character is an easy example of sexist violent representation with sexualized torture and attempted rape. It's undoubtedly problematic. I'm just surprised people try to defend it.

 

[Mesoian]

Spoiler

i heard the combat in the latest one is alright

Eh....

Naw.

 

[antitrop]

Eh....

Naw.

Ya, it is. Better than God of War.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Played for laughs, and is a short section of the game, nowhere near as prominent as in 3, where EVA is a character from near the start of the game until the very end.

Again, Eva has a reason for acting like that while the B&B Unit in MGS4 does not.

 

[Tomeru]

It's goona be weird playing this with my sweet half around...

"What are you playing? Why is she naked?"
"She's breathing through her skin. Duh!"

Too much skin is never valid or logical, or acceptable, even in a video game with super powers, huh? We can accept some wierd shit if its a video game, but given explanation and reasons for why a character is showing skin is unacceptable. Again - no explanation is enough for light armor.

Just something I noticed. None of the characters in the game really react to her lack of clothing or sexual poses.

I know, which is why I say WE are the problem, not her lack of clothing.

 

[CyanideFuse]

Anus? What videos are you watching?

I was thinking of something Alan Partridge said about some tight shorts when I wrote this. I haven't actually seen that part of 'her', the character, pixels whatever I should reference it as, but the aforementioned part of the anatomy might as well be out.

 

[Tizoc]

oh god you're right

it's LITERALLY Oneechanbara tier justification

he couldn't figure out something better than that trashy D-tier budget bikini zombie slayer series.

Spoiler

i heard the combat in the latest one is alright

That's what I heard too, which is unfortunate as such a game would still be fine if the protag dressed as in a cowboy garb; longcoat, etc. but that's just me.
If anything it's possible that the 'absorb through body' thing is a trope in fiction, and at best is coincidence in the case of Quiet ^^;

Ya, it is. Better than God of War.

That's not saying much at all

 

[SchrodingerC]

If Kojima had cut the pretentious bullshit and just admitted he designed Quiet to get off on then people would have accepted her design a bit more. Kojima just had to out Kojima himself.

 

[inky]

"So I guess you can never have sexy stuff in a video game, huh? I guess I just don't want to be as close-minded as that" or some such nonsense is what it usually comes down to.

LOL, or "art censorship", "extreme political correctness" or "cultural differences" are winners too. I love that last one in particular. "That's their culture trust me, I watch anime; I'm an expert".

 

[Stereogatari]

When the controversy first erupted a few years ago my guess was that she'd be from a Conservative Afghan background, and her showiness was a rebel/reaction from such a closed upbringing in the desert.

Shame it wasn't to do with that.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

That's what I heard too, which is unfortunate as such a game would still be fine if the protag dressed as in a cowboy garb; longcoat, etc. but that's just me.
If anything it's possible that the 'absorb through body' thing is a trope in fiction, and at best is coincidence in the case of Quiet ^^;

Well yeah it's a trope. C'mon Tiz you forgot about Starfire?

 

[MrS]

"So I guess you can never have sexy stuff in a video game, huh? I guess I just don't want to be as close-minded as that" or some such nonsense is what it usually comes down to.

If you want sexy stuff in a videogame, go play Hatoful Boyfriend #KeepOurMGSPure

 

[antitrop]

That's not saying much at all

I'm aware.

 

[toastyToast]

So there isn't a perfectly good explanation for everything wrong with the character?

Can't say I'm surprised. Don't see how anyone could salvage that awful mess. Stephanie Joosten does have remarkably adorable face though. At least Kojima exercised a bit of sense there.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Quiet was a controversial topic on GAF before, and I'll just repeat what I've said before:

This shit needs to stop.

 

[Tizoc]

Well yeah it's a trope. C'mon Tiz you forgot about Starfire?

The difference here is that Starfire actually has good characterization (ignoring early Nu52 Starfire) in various stories or series she's been in.

 

[pizzacat]

oh god you're right

it's LITERALLY Oneechanbara tier justification

he couldn't figure out something better than that trashy D-tier budget bikini zombie slayer series.

Spoiler

i heard the combat in the latest one is alright

It's top notch


Not that I would know anyway

 

[Dick Justice]

Again, Eva has a reason for acting like that while the B&B Unit in MGS4 does not.

Are we talking about the B&B Unit or Raiden in MGS2, judging by the image you posted?

 

[pizzacat]

The difference here is that Starfire actually has good characterization (ignoring early Nu52 Starfire) in various stories or series she's been in.

And now she's being a ditzy tourist in her latest arc.


Everything's fine

 

[Famassu]

Too much skin is never valid or logical, or acceptable, even in a video game with super powers, huh? We can accept some wierd shit if its a video game, but given explanation and reasons for why a character is showing skin is unacceptable. Again - no explanation is enough for light armor.


I know, which is why I say WE are the problem, not her lack of clothing.

Dem straw mans. -_-

 

[Mesoian]

Ya, it is. Better than God of War.

Which ain't saying much...

And now she's being a ditzy tourist in her latest arc.


Everything's fine

People are like onions...

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Are we talking about the B&B Unit or Raiden in MGS2, judging by the image you posted?

I asked myself the same, not sure why we're talking about MGS2 now. I think the characters being oversexualized started with MGS4 and not with MGS1, 2 or 3. Kojima always liked to tease with that stuff but never went that far as with the B&B Unit or Quiet.

Like i said MGS4 sold almost twice as much as MGS3, maybe they thought it was because of the B&B Unit and that's why they continued that way with MGSV.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

The difference here is that Starfire actually has good characterization (ignoring early Nu52 Starfire) in various stories or series she's been in.

So does Superman and he's not half naked. In the end they wanted a sexy alien.

 

[Rudimental]

I'm watching her pulling off her tights and rolling around in the rain, with glistening water all over her body, and the only thing I can think is:

"Why isn't she drowning? Why isn't she drowning?! Why isn't she drowning?!"

 

[Cave Johnson]

Can't watch this due to spoilers. Ughh!

 

[EdibleExplosives]

With Quiet being so sexualised, they could have at least gave her an actual arse.

Another great vid by Jim.

 

[Mesoian]

I'm watching her pulling off her tights and rolling around in the rain, with glistening water all over her body, and the only thing I can think is:

"Why isn't she drowning? Why isn't she drowning?! Why isn't she drowning?!"

Remember at the beginning of the game where she has a minor seizure while bathing, suggesting that she can take in water that way but it's difficult and painful, and then a few hours later she's just rolling around in the rain like it ain't no thang?

 

[Tizoc]

So does Superman and he's not half naked. In the end they wanted a sexy alien.

I was gonna mention Supes funnily enough
Regardless your 2nd sentence brings me to this-
You can still have a character be both sexy and a good or fun character, and at times the sexiness gets overshadowed.
From what we've seen so far, Quiet is unfortunately not, especially when Kojima did good female characters in previous MGS games.

And now she's being a ditzy tourist in her latest arc.


Everything's fine

She was ditzy in the Teen Titans cartoon. Or is the proper term adorkable @_@

 

[antitrop]

I'm watching her pulling off her tights and rolling around in the rain, with glistening water all over her body, and the only thing I can think is:

"Why isn't she drowning? Why isn't she drowning?! Why isn't she drowning?!"

Because plot

 

[Anung]

Because plot

Her skin read the script.

 

[Intheflorsh]

I'm surprised no one has swapped the Kojima model for Quiet in the rain scene yet.

 

[Tomeru]

Dem straw mans. -_-

Sorry, what?

 

[hodgy100]

I'm surprised no one has swapped the Kojima model for Quiet in the rain scene yet.

I want this to happen now. So want this to happen.

On topic. Jim perfectly summarises my opinion on the matter. Quiets story arc is one of the better arcs in the game. but the treatment of the character does nothing but undermines her. It has a net negative impact on the game for me.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

With Quiet being so sexualised, they could have at least gave her an actual arse.

Another great vid by Jim.

What you trying to say about Stefanie Joosten?

 

[Yopis]

Guy worked on this franchise for over 20 years. Glad he went out the way he wanted. People are free to criticize but he didn't need some complex reason for this. Maybe games moving forward should have a censored mode, for the outraged to toggle on and off.

 

[ElTorro]

I agree with everything Jim said.

It would have been less ridiculous and presumptions if Kojima would have just owned the fact that he wanted to show boobs and ass. Instead, he needed to pretend that every fart he makes has some higher artistic value and meaning.