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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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we all lost.
Messypandas
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Thanks guys. I was hoping for the crazy jumps. Had no idea about Gray Fox, will check that out.
I have not a problem with either in general. The real tragedy is really how underused Ocelot and Liquid were. I mean, you could've replaced Ocelot with one of the Paz posters with a speaker in it and Liquids storyline was kinda lost. Pretty okay with Mantis though.
Love Deterrence
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Hahahaha! Yeah man how about that!!!! PythonSelkan was closer than anyone else to uncovering the truth!! Team D never lost control!!!!
Rogue Agent
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And even then I wasn't expecting Solid Snake to be a complete no show after Kojima's teasing in interviews, so have to hand it to Team C as well.
Sumio Mondo
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So I take it most people have taken "A Hideo Kojima Game" off their avatars now that MGSV has come out and shown who the damn game was made by like 100 times? lol.
Love Deterrence
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It makes his absence all the more frustrating. Kojima said in a 2012 interview that we hadn't seen the last of Solid Snake (despite his story ending in 4), yet here we are... Shame.
Zomba13
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Implying that a potential MGS6 would have Solid Snake as the playable character (or contain him in some way). That was back when he didn't expect to be fired and thought the rest of his days would be churning out MGS games for Konami. That obviously didn't happen so no more MGS games by Kojima, no Solid Snake by Kojima.
Agreed.
Even after 80+ hrs bland Ocelot was really off putting. I really don't understand what happened there. It's not just the voice acting because Ocelot doesn't do anything big or showy like in the other games.
I thought Eli/Liquid was fun although there wasn't a lot there. I do wish there was a memorable conversation between Big Boss and him. When you're rescuing the escaped kids Kaz or Ocelot say something about Eli wanting to talk but I kept going back to base after each mission and ... nada. I guess they though that would be too odd since he's not really BB. Still you'd think that would be ripe for lots of Eli questions with cryptic BB answers to throw the player off or something. I mean they actually have a lot in common both being "clones" of BB.
And Mantis worked I thought. It is a little strange how powerful he seems in comparison to MGS1 but who cares.
Rogue Agent
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Yeah. I always found that interview confusing though, because he phrased it like "even though I wanted to kill him off in MGS4" as if doing so would have somehow precluded seeing Solid in the next game when V turned out to be another prequel anyway. I wonder if he was misquoted in that interview and just meant the concept of a "Snake" as a protagonist in general ("the world would be better of without Snakes"), rather than specifically the Solid incarnation?
Love Deterrence
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I'm positive he was referring to MGSV, though. Kojima never speaks in terms of what's so far down the road. I don't know. I feel like MGS4 and Peace Walker provided closure had the series ended at either of those points which this game sort of just re-opened the wounds.
i wouldn't dismiss it outright
it's a good interpretation of the ending that does actually link into a good few things that happen in mg1
who knows what kojima actually meant with the ending, but don't poo-poo a pretty sound fan interpretation with evidence from the games and established lore to back it up
pft. he knew. if he was able to spoil most of the beats in trailers he knew exactly what was gonna happen in the game.
Trailer one spoils ALL of the hospital beats. ALL OF IT!
The other trailers spoil everything else as it goes. Even teh ending. Characters, special items and gameplay.
Hard to think that he was not sure if he was going to add him after all of that.
Zomba13
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But the question was "will we see Solid Snake" and he said something like "I'm not spoiling that with an answer but will say we've not seen the last of Solid Snake".
Rogue Agent
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I'll try again:
(tl;drIs there a good summary of MGSV yet, including all the events that one should know about from the other games?
Team Diamond, it wasn't Gray Fox but we were almost correct.
We won
Even if after the ending I felt we all lost :/
Sub_Level
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You are essentially asking for a rundown of the entire series. Just play the game and absorb what you can. MGSV's story is fairly isolated.
All you have to really know is that after Snake Eater:
1970: Major Zero disbands FOX. Along with Sigint, Paramedic, Ocelot, Eva, and Big Boss they became the Patriots group features in mgs2.
1972: The Snake clones are born. Big Boss leaves the Latriots.
1974: Big Boss starts a mercenary company with the help of Kaz Miller. Along the way he meets Huey, Otacon's dad.
1975: Ground Zeroes. Company destroyed. Big Boss goes into a coma.
1984: Phantom Pain
edit: As for what happens in this game, Big Boss and Zero use a doppelganger to protect Big Boss. He creates his own mercenary company, again with the help of Miller.
Kenzodielocke
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I don't want to hate too much on MGSV, but in 5 years I will still look up or play MGS1/2/3/4 scenes. This game lacks serious magic moments for me, maybe it's because Kojima showed every cutscene, who knows. Thats how I feel right know about MGSV.
MDSVeritas
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The events they bring up are actually relatively plausible. I'm sure Kojima didn't plan it, but the two radio frequencies for Big Boss in MG1 is actually really interesting fuel for that theory.
Regardless of the conjecture about actual events though, I agree with the big takeaway the author has; MGSV isn't about Big Boss just turning "evil", it's about exposing how false his legend his. He's not evil, but he is deeply imperfect, and he uses other people to further a legend that doesn't truly reflect him. Which is why Solid Snake is a such a good definitive protagonist; he rejects building his own legend to the very end.
Stevey
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Yeah, I feel the same way
GoldandBlue
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MGS6 starring the Phantom of Solid Snake. BUT WAIT, A PLOT TWIST? Snake was assumed to be dead after the tanker indecent, in reality Solid Snake from post Tanker and the end of MGS4 is actually a phantom. The real Solid Snake was alive but in a coma and only thought he was the Phantom Solid Snake. Also, in an even wackier twist! Big Boss at the end of MGS4 was actually Venom! So the two Snakes at the end were phantoms!
SJRB
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The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around to my initial and abhorring opinion on the game's ending.
The way it is handled and presented is still a complete goatfuck, but I think I'm actually pretty okay with what Kojima was planning. You know, aside from the cut episode 51 of course.
The way it is handled and presented is still a complete goatfuck, but I think I'm actually pretty okay with what Kojima was planning. You know, aside from the cut episode 51 of course.
EmCeeGramr
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My problem with it is that it unwittingly reveals both of the reasons that the whole story fails for me.
A) The "Big Boss's legend is false, and Big Boss eventually lives up to it which may be the real turn" idea, by the post's own admission, has been done far more effectively in past Metal Gear games already. MGS3's ending where a devastated Snake receives the title in a sham of a political ceremony after learning everything was a lie, MGS4 having EVA outright talk about how his legend was exaggerated and Big Boss's final regrets, and PW's whole "I'm just Snake (60 hours later) Call me Big Boss... we all may be going straight to hell," they all work better than a flimsy last minute twist where Big Boss tells a guy "by the way you're a fake but you're also me because legends, I had to go do... something, later" and said guy goes from absurdly heroic to despotic apparently just from that
B) The fact that you have to spend so much time trying to figure out and reconcile the twist with the original game, Solid Snake discovering Big Boss has betrayed him and taking him down, the foundation of the whole series, and all of it is just conjecture.
When the MISSING LINK, FOR REAL final game in a series ends with a twist rendering it mostly a self-contained sidestory that answers pointless lore questions nobody asked while raising new ones that had no business being raised, defending it by accidentally pointing out that other games did these things way better and having to write fanfiction connecting it to a 28 year old 8-bit title just goes to show why it's disappointing.
NoctisVsStar
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i always said watching the trailers was a waste of time knowing kojima's history of spoiling the entire game..i was right.
Yep.
He spoiled EVERYTHING.
From the reveal trailer, all of the prologue. All beats in the same order too are spoiled.
After that, all major plot points are revealed in a trailer, including easter eggs, items and fun gameplay.
Its unbelievable.
NoctisVsStar
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the launch trailer.. he said had "minor spoilers" right.
Kenzodielocke
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We should've known better...but how can we resist those awesome trailers ? Parasites? Nanomachines??
SJRB
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Well he's not wrong - Kojima spoiled pretty much every cutscene in one way or another.
Kenzodielocke
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Even Quiet and Venom cigar scene which is part of the fucking birthday cutscene. Holy shit Kojima.
NoctisVsStar
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The sad thing about this game is that it's beyond recognition due to it's cut nature and rushed chapter2. I find it funny on twitter he insists this game is MGSV instead of MGS5 maybe because his original vision was compromised.
Love Deterrence
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Bless
3 works as a missing link because you see WHY he loses his way and the betrayal he had experienced.
PW works because you see the transformation take place - a noble Big Boss story, eventually coming to the conclusion that his mentor had put down her gun, which was a path he was not willing to go down. Outer Heaven.
Hell, even GZ gives more closure than TPP. GZ, Big Boss goes down in a chopper crash caused by Cipher - they done crossed the line one too many times. MISSING LINK, OUTER HEAVEN. But nope, we play as some off-brand ass Snake in Kojima's attempt to re-tell his story of MGS2 of "Anyone can be molded into Snake."
Snake Tales is the only canon I believe in.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I was fine with the trailers and their semi spoilerly nature because at the time I did not expect for what was shown to be literally 90% of the plot in the game
Most of the reveals fell flat because they were already heavily inferred.
Most of the reveals fell flat because they were already heavily inferred.
Snake Tales - Written by Tomokazu Fukushima
Doctor_Thomas
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So, there is no MGS5, instead we get "Metal Gear Solid Vee: The Phantom Pain"
Played like a goddamn fiddle.
Love Deterrence
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!
NoctisVsStar
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Kojima always does this that's why i tell folks to not watch them. He also has a habit of switching scenes, for instance: Boss on the bike has a prosthetic arm and horn..actual game? he has none. Ocelot speech about how the whole world wants you dead is another instance.
All he does is misdirect people and switch dialog in trailers.
SJRB
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I wonder if chapter 2 makes more sense if you just watch all cutscenes, instead of having this incredibly splintered experience because of all the filler content in between.
Hopefully someone puts all the cutscenes on youtube or something, I'd be very interested in just rewatching all cutscenes from beginning to end and see if it holds up.
Hopefully someone puts all the cutscenes on youtube or something, I'd be very interested in just rewatching all cutscenes from beginning to end and see if it holds up.
Kenzodielocke
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The Lust and Gameplay was amazing, the story? what story?
Ouh damn, you could vote more than one thing.
Ouh damn, you could vote more than one thing.
I really liked Paz, its a damn shame what happens to her, fucking piece of shit Skull Face.
Also at people being spoiled by trailers, c'mon it's not like Kojima has a history of blowing his load on them.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Switcheroos are common and fine to me, like the motorcycle thing,
No it does not. They skip so much shit. Quiet randomly gets tortured when you land on Mother Base. The LAST scene before the Truth mission is the "We will make diamonds out of their ashes" cutscene. that is the last thing you see before the big reveal. ????????????????
NoctisVsStar
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It's Kojima and people fall for it every. single. time.
Love Deterrence
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Yup. I'll only watch his trailers post-release from here on out. I mean, the trailers told a more powerful story than the game itself did.
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