WrenchNinja
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Im kind of really over the Byakuya master thing. It's like an unfunny joke that has gone on for too long. I was hoping Toko would stop pretending that there was a thing between them.
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Well, I think the ending is meaningful in that regard, as she chooses to stay with Komaru over going with Byakuya. Then again, the ending for DR2 implies that she's still obsessed with him.
It's an annoying shtick, but I guess he's a character that would very much resemble one of the romantic interests in her novels, and it's great how she was made such a great character despite that. Don't know if we'll be seeing much of Toko after DR:AE.
if Byakuya and Toko return in DR3, I hope she's over him and the whole master thing as well. personally, I think that will happen since she's willing to stay with Komaru rather than returning with Byakuya. can't help but feel that DR3 should tie up this story when we get there.
What story? The Toko and Byakuya romance subplot? That's so insignificant; I don't think any sequel should go out of its way to bother with it.
Ah, I see. Even for that, I'd rather just a new story entirely. Things get bogged down when sequels have to rely so much on previous games. I'd prefer it if Danganronpa went more for stories that stood on their own rather than always having to build up from past events.
nah, getting those damn helmets off those kids and ending the adult/child war thing.
CrimsonFist
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The master thing got worn out by the end of the game, with how much it got mentioned.
It seemed like Nagito corrupted by despair was pretty much the same as regular Nagito, although that would make sense considering how messed up he is normally anyway.
It was interesting what they did and didn't spoil of DR2. It felt like it was written so that it could be quite easily played as a prequel. There's quite a bit of foreshadowing and setup for stuff, but very little in the way of actual spoilers. It would probably make a couple of the twists in 2 quite a bit more effective if played first.
They might bring it up, but since they mentioned Future Foundation going back to sort everything out once the remnants of despair are captured, they could just leave it at that, with the implication that everything was fixed after, or during 2.
It seemed like Nagito corrupted by despair was pretty much the same as regular Nagito, although that would make sense considering how messed up he is normally anyway.
It was interesting what they did and didn't spoil of DR2. It felt like it was written so that it could be quite easily played as a prequel. There's quite a bit of foreshadowing and setup for stuff, but very little in the way of actual spoilers. It would probably make a couple of the twists in 2 quite a bit more effective if played first.
They might bring it up, but since they mentioned Future Foundation going back to sort everything out once the remnants of despair are captured, they could just leave it at that, with the implication that everything was fixed after, or during 2.
Basileus777
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Yeah, I don't think it needs to be spelled out. They could address it again, but it's not a huge loose end or anything.
hopefully they touch upon that in DR3. Just to tie up loose ends rather than being speculation. I'm assuming they will within the game just like how Makoto explained exactly what happened after DR1 in AE even tho we had ideas for it from what was told to us in DR2.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It can get addressed, but I don't think it will require much. Just an off hand mention will probably be enough.
I feel like there might be a subtle difference between "despair corrupted Nagito" and DR2's Nagito. While it felt like Nagito's opinion of Junko in the latter was mostly filled with hate, it's a balance between love and hate in DR:AE (and in DR2's flashbacks). At the end when Monaca asks, "Who's side are you even on?" and Nagito replies with "Does it even matter?" I get this impression that he's actually fine with either despair or hope coming out victorious in the end, rather than doing everything for the latter through the former.
Then again, it's a bit hard to tell since, yeah, he was messed up in DR2 and I'm not sure if he would go as far as raising another Junko at that point or if his utter hatred of her would prevent him. His suicide plan at the end of the game kind of makes me think "no" since I feel he did it partly due to the fact that he hated himself along with the other Ultimates after he learned his true nature, and that he'd rather die and take the others with him than have to think of himself as a Remnant.
SolarKnight
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Yeah, despair Nagito is like 90+% similar to regular Nagito, but it has that significant difference.
On the subject of the Monokuma Kids, doesn't one of the scraps imply they never eat, drink or sleep? Can they even do so without taking off the mask and the brainwashing? If they can't do any of that then it sorta gives a short amount of time in universe for that subplot to be solved.
On the subject of the Monokuma Kids, doesn't one of the scraps imply they never eat, drink or sleep? Can they even do so without taking off the mask and the brainwashing? If they can't do any of that then it sorta gives a short amount of time in universe for that subplot to be solved.
twothunder
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Agreed. It just made the few times Syo appeared have more inpact and gave Toko the chance for some actual character developement.
Gotta love the over the top special attacks from Syo.
As for the Byakuya master thing..
It is indeed getting somewhat old now.
It's strange to say but Toko seems at her best when she isn't near Byakuya. Doubt they will let her move on from that though.
Finished this last night and overall it was a good ride. Chapter 2/3 was a chore but chapter 4/5 was absolutely fantastic.
I liked that whole "BREAK THE CONTROLLER" , "DON'T BREAK THE CONTROLLER" sequence immensely. Could see how Komaru was being mindfked by Momaca bit by bit.
I wish they just ended the game at that point since the subsequent combination attack/final boss fight just felt really off though.
As for characters, Won't talk about the female leads since its already been previously mentioned about how well they were done. Just want to say, I didn't care the Warriors of Hope. Found them intolerable except for Monaca and Kotoko.
Monaca I think is a lock-in for Danganronpa 3. There just isn't anyone else to be the main villain is there? Unless they want to rehash AI Junko.
Kotoko was just adorbs (lol). Actually hope she is a returning character (as one of the main cast plz) in Danganronpa 3. Would make for an interesting dynamic of villain turn Hero.
I liked that whole "BREAK THE CONTROLLER" , "DON'T BREAK THE CONTROLLER" sequence immensely. Could see how Komaru was being mindfked by Momaca bit by bit.
I wish they just ended the game at that point since the subsequent combination attack/final boss fight just felt really off though.
As for characters, Won't talk about the female leads since its already been previously mentioned about how well they were done. Just want to say, I didn't care the Warriors of Hope. Found them intolerable except for Monaca and Kotoko.
Monaca I think is a lock-in for Danganronpa 3. There just isn't anyone else to be the main villain is there? Unless they want to rehash AI Junko.
Kotoko was just adorbs (lol). Actually hope she is a returning character (as one of the main cast plz) in Danganronpa 3. Would make for an interesting dynamic of villain turn Hero.
Basileus777
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I'd hope that they'd introduce someone new. Hopefully someone that's not a rehash of Junko or another one of her catspaws. They really need to do something different with their main antagonist. The 2nd game largely worked because Nagito brought something fresh to the table, they need an element like that.
Hours Left
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So how about that DanganRonpa V3, right?
Trigonometrize.
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Just realized the other day that this game is about two strong females trying to (well, at least one of them) rescue the dude in distress locked up in the final bosses tower. Role reversal pretty solid until I remember Togami is not exactly the next incarnation of Princess Toadstool.
Hours Left
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Plus Byakuya is sexualized a lot in this game. Shirtless beating sessions tied to a cross of roses and the infamous white spray.
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I began to read it with some translation and really liked it but it was a quite a time ago. Also, the translation seemed to be not finished. (There were other translation group but with a really bad quality.)
Would you mind (you or someone else) posting the best translation for Danganronpa Zero ? It would be really nice.
Sorry, the source I used before has been fragmented and I would have to look into it to see where a full version of it was, somewhere else. I imagine it can't be too hard to find through a search.
It might be worth looking into, too, if the guesses that she's Ryoko Otonashi turn out to actually be correct. That would have some crazy implications regarding when this game takes place and what it's about.
CrimsonFist
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Vague, but Zero related.
I can't imagine how a game would work with Ryoko as the protagonist, but now I want it to be true to find out.
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SolarKnight
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If it really were Ryoko wouldn't that imply retcons tho
The only way it would make sense is if DR V3 took place
before DR1
I really hope its not Ryoko. Hate prequels to death (mainly since we already KNOW the outcome (i.e: everyone dies). Also, I'm guessing if its a prequel then Monokuma wouldn't have existed yet?
Thinking about it more, I could very easily see them writing Monaco to be a participant in the next killing game (with a similar role to Junko/Mukuro in the original game). Putting her in there to make everyone suspect that she is the mastermind before she gets back-stabbed by the main villain.
Hours Left
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The Hagakure side story is really... something.
It was cool to get a bit more insight into his abilities though.
It was cool to get a bit more insight into his abilities though.
This is what I want. If Monaca is in, it needs to be a swerve of some sort.
Hagakure was right all along. Ghosts really do exist. Now we just need aliens and the cycle will be complete.
I still need to read that side story. I was actually really happy when it unlocked since I had no idea about it beforehand
I still need to read that side story. I was actually really happy when it unlocked since I had no idea about it beforehand
and because I'm a fuccboi who doesn't hate Hagakure
Crash Station
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Would still technically be a retcon. We know what the first killing game was like, and it sure as hell wasn't a murder mystery. If there was another killing game prior to that or some side game that no one knew about, well that kind of just seems like adding stuff for the sake of it.
That's what I'm talking about, and also what wouldn't make it a retcon. Since (Danganronpa Zero spoilers)
the Ultimate Analyst was still messed up before she lost her memories—before the events of DR0—I could see the possibility where they tried to fit in another story before DR1's time frame where something we don't know about happened, especially if they can't get over Junko and it's the only way Kodaka can think of to bring her back.
Hours Left
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Random thought, Mondo's loved one was a member of his gang who's implied to by gay in his profile.
I wonder if that means Mondo was also possibly gay?
I wonder if that means Mondo was also possibly gay?
Napalm_Frank
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Just finished the game. Missed opporturnity to not have a twist so that the prisoner was Yasuhiro and not Byakuya for whatever reason 
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Monaca coming back is ok with me depending on her role. The most interesting way would possibly be her being one of the students/victims posing as a innocent cripple again with audience knowing it to be a time bomb.
.Monaca coming back is ok with me depending on her role. The most interesting way would possibly be her being one of the students/victims posing as a innocent cripple again with audience knowing it to be a time bomb.
Crash Station
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Monaca should come back, but be the first victim in 3's killing game, and the killer will be the remaining A.I. Junko in a cyborg body that looks perfectly human. Everyone wins!
I'd rather
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Finished it. The game was longer than what I expected.
Overall it's probably the weakest of the three, but still great on its own right. Komaru and Toko's development was handled really well, actually I think Komaru's growth is one of the few from Japanese media that feels believable.
About the Warriors of Hope not dying, it was heavily implied they don't "die" at the beggining of chapter 2 so it doesn't surprise me or strike me as odd. The harder part is making Monaca have a good excuse to not kill them, since she didn't care about them at all. That's the odd thing.
I liked Monaca as a villain, she was creepy as fuck, and I think it would have been even creepier if she really was disabled. Obviously she will appear in DR3 and I'd like for Komaru to appear too, it would be a waste to have her only on this game. I wouldn't be surprised if DR3 takes place a few years after DR2, Komaru's final message to Makoto seems to hint this, and maybe they will use that in order to have an older Monaca.
About the fanservice, it's amazing that with such a skirt, there are no upskirts of Komaru in the whole game. The groping part felt wrong because Komaru is what, 15? Same as the fight with Genocider, if she starts taking damage instead of losing health she loses her clothes until she's totally in her underwear...that kind of fanservice is unnecesary. I like what they did with Junko, she has fanservice but she actually uses it to manipulate others..
Nagito as always totally awesome, he tricked everyone. Man I will miss him so much in DR3, he and Chiaki were the highlights of DR2 for me.
Overall it's probably the weakest of the three, but still great on its own right. Komaru and Toko's development was handled really well, actually I think Komaru's growth is one of the few from Japanese media that feels believable.
About the Warriors of Hope not dying, it was heavily implied they don't "die" at the beggining of chapter 2 so it doesn't surprise me or strike me as odd. The harder part is making Monaca have a good excuse to not kill them, since she didn't care about them at all. That's the odd thing.
I liked Monaca as a villain, she was creepy as fuck, and I think it would have been even creepier if she really was disabled. Obviously she will appear in DR3 and I'd like for Komaru to appear too, it would be a waste to have her only on this game. I wouldn't be surprised if DR3 takes place a few years after DR2, Komaru's final message to Makoto seems to hint this, and maybe they will use that in order to have an older Monaca.
About the fanservice, it's amazing that with such a skirt, there are no upskirts of Komaru in the whole game. The groping part felt wrong because Komaru is what, 15? Same as the fight with Genocider, if she starts taking damage instead of losing health she loses her clothes until she's totally in her underwear...that kind of fanservice is unnecesary. I like what they did with Junko, she has fanservice but she actually uses it to manipulate others..
Nagito as always totally awesome, he tricked everyone. Man I will miss him so much in DR3, he and Chiaki were the highlights of DR2 for me.
I don't think it's obvious. "Team Danganronpa" now exists as a specific development team. DR3 is by no means the end of the series, and they could—and probably will—have future DR spin-offs that take place outside of the context of a typical Killing Game where it could be more natural for Komaru and Monaca to fit in.
I think there are a couple brief ones, but you're right. It is interesting how despite the length of her skirt and her movement, there are practically no upskirt shots. It's like they intentionally restrained themselves from indulging in that.
One of the only things I can thing of for that is that Monaca actually did care for her companions, even if she tried to present herself differently. It could be related to why she didn't think of herself as a candidate to be "The Successor," too, thinking she was too weak and emotional to meet that goal.
johny_dmonic
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Is anyone curious who Monaca's mother is?
Probably just overwrote the programing because junko's AI which is what Shirokuma was is insane, even beats Alter Ego in programming and that was something that was born out of the Ultimate Programmer.
Basileus777
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Why would her mother have any real significance?
Not really.
chrominance
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Part of me did wonder, for a brief moment, if the "mistress" Monaca's dad was referring to was actually Junko. But unless there's a link like that, it's probably not important who the mother is.
SolarKnight
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You do realize that'd imply Junko became a mother when she was 10 or so right
Even for this game I think that'd be a little too much
Even for this game I think that'd be a little too much
Crash Station
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Probably more like 8 or even younger if we assume the Warriors of Hope are in the 10-12 range. We do know it's possible to get pregnant that young, but yeah, it would be supremely fucked up. Don't know if I'd put it past Kodaka though.
johny_dmonic
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Yes. Shiro manipulated the adults, while Kuro the children.
TheSlySoul
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Yes, what I gathered was Shirokuma was Junko's hope and Kurokuma was Junko's despair therefore why they painted over the colors. Although as another person pointed out ... how did Shirokuma pilot the robot? It was just a head.
Still the main protagonist of DR2 took the AI and puts it in the simulation in the next game.
Also I don't think Junko gave birth to Monaca, she was a model after all. I think the game implied Monaca never had a real mother, so Junko filled that role for her and Monaca became obsessive because her adoptive family hated her.
He is Towa City's version of Junko if the three extra pictures mean anything. Luckily the Warriors of Hope are all still alive as well (got to give it to Nagisa for surviving a robot crushing you).
Lumination
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Gotta say, I came in with low expectations and still got disappointed. The gameplay was as bland and basic as it looked from the trailers, but I expected that. I'm more disappointed with the story.
- 0 villain deaths
- Weak main villain (Who ends up living and will possibly be the antagonist again in DR3.)
- No major reveal. (It was obvious Monaca was the leader. The beginning of chapter 5 strongly hinted that Shirokuma was evil, but it was low impact as everything related to that betrayal had already happened.)
Tizoc
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I suspected all the kids survived but I didn't get A-ranks in any of the chapters; what proof was there that they survived?
Also I think Monaca's mother will play a role in future DR stories....
For that matter, it's one thing to be a middle school prodigy, it's another to be given control of your R&D department. If it were someone else and Monaca had been close to, it would've been more sensible.
Speaking of which I have a theory about DanganRonpa V3
It'll feature the parents of the characters and other adults/teenagers mentioned form previous DR games.
You'll either play them as adults or the game will have them become teenagers.
Monaca's mother would be among them.
You'll either play them as adults or the game will have them become teenagers.
Monaca's mother would be among them.
During the credits, this picture can be seen:
Considering Jataro is unmasked it has to take place after the ending
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