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[Beelzebufo]

Well its my personal opinion? I think Necros an interesting character and his relationship with his tiny girlfriend is cute.

That's fine...

Umm... That doesn't change anything I've been saying though. Dhalsim is a popular and iconic character, barely anyone knows who Necro is. Are you just venting at me? Because that's fine too, I'm just confused what's happening.

 

[Dremark]

He ranked 16th in the official Capcom streetfighter poll... I mean people wanna act like Alex and Urien are fan favs yet Gief beat them easy....

#16 Zangief 6,523
#23 Alex 5,608
#28 Urien 4,519

If Gief had been out of action as long as Urien and Alex he would've been top 10....

If you go back far enough in these threads I questioned Alex being popular, possibly Urien too.

I really don't subscribe to the "any character that's been away for a while does better in these polls idea" but feel free to call me out on that a decade from now if Rufus and Seth are topping the charts.

I mean Zangief did better than Alex and Urien in that poll, and a lot of people here need to like them. Take that and add in that they're iconic and I don't see what you're trying to argue.

If you really want to, you can replace "love" with "recognize/give a shit about" if it makes you feel better.

Being well known and being well liked are quite different. Being a million years old Zangief and Dhalsim were both the type of character that got the sort of "Wait, really?" Responce when picked back in the day in the arcades (Same response I get picking Carl in BlazBlue on the rare occasions I've made it out to play with the local FGC). I'm old though so maybe things changed, I don't know.

Anyway what I'm saying is being series mainstays doesn't mean people actually like them. Looking at the poll results again 16th isn't bad but Sagat and Guile are both more popular and Dhalsim didn't really do all that great.

Anyway, it's not a matter of me "feeling better", I wanted Karin, I got Karin, they could put in Gunloc and Sawada as the next two characters and I'm not going to complain, I just questioned the statement because to me at least it seemed inaccurate and the thread is kind of for this type of discussion.

 

[zedreamcast]

That's fine...

Umm... That doesn't change anything I've been saying though. Dhalsim is a popular and iconic character, barely anyone knows who Necro is. Are you just venting at me? Because that's fine too, I'm just confused what's happening.

Did i ever say that necro was popular? Im saying that Dhalsim isnt popular either only being 32. Man youre an ass.

 

[Clawww]

hopefully there's a free week 1 DLC or whatever. 16 is definitely on the low side. I'm okay with a couple of day 1 DLC. I was never too butthurt about SFxT either tbh

 

[Beelzebufo]

Did i ever say that necro was popular? Im saying that Dhalsim isnt popular either only being 32. Man youre an ass.

But he is, he's one of the most well known Street Fighter characters and has appeared in pretty much all of the Street Fighter games. He's also usually really good, which doesn't hurt.

How many members does his official fan club need before I can say he's a popular character? Do I have to find a personal friend of yours so you can have some anecdotal evidence, since that's all that you seem to be interested in?

And of course on top of that, he covers a play style that we haven't yet seen, gives some visual diversity to the cast, etc etc. He's a perfect fit for the roster, assuming Zen isn't Sim 2.0.

 

[Westlo]

If you go back far enough in these threads I questioned Alex being popular, possibly Urien too.

I really don't subscribe to the "ant character that's been away for a while does better in these polls idea" but feel free to call me out on that a decade from now if Rufus and Seth are topping the charts.

A lot of people used those polls (and the Tekken X Street Fighter one) to vote for characters they wanted in the next game because their actual favs are locks.... Ken and Cammy are my fav two SF characters, I didn't vote for either of them because I didn't think they'll miss whatever Capcom were working on....

I remember the Tekken X Street Fighter thread on this forum was full of people going "Who the fuck is voting for Ryu, Ken, Akuma etc, they'll be in the game for sure".

I assure you Rolento wouldn't be out polled by Dhalsim if he hadn't of been in Street Fighter X Tekken and Ultra SFIV. He would've been a lock for top 10.... and Dudley would not get outpolled by any other SF3 character if he wasn't in IV. (And he was still #2 anyway for SF3 characters...)

 

[zedreamcast]

But he is, he's one of the most well known Street Fighter characters and has appeared in pretty much all of the Street Fighter games. He's also usually really good, which doesn't hurt.

How many members does his official fan club need before I can say he's a popular character? Do I have to find a personal friend of yours so you can have some anecdotal evidence, since that's all that you seem to be interested in?

And of course on top of that, he covers a play style that we haven't yet seen, gives some visual diversity to the cast, etc etc. He's a perfect fit for the roster, assuming Zen isn't Sim 2.0.

Popular =/= iconic

Anyone from the world warriors is iconic theyre the original characters. But just because theyre iconic does not make them popular, ask any one who has never touched a street fighter game since 2 who the characters are. Theyll say ryu and chun li almost all the time. If the only reason that theyd put world warriors is familiarity then why put one of the lesser known characters. Everyone knows hadouken, not a everyone knows yoga flame.
The popularity polls are probably voted by people who still care about the series.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Popular =/= iconic

Anyone from the world warriors is iconic theyre the original characters. But just because theyre iconic does not make them popular, ask any one who has never touched a street fighter game since 2 who the characters are. Theyll say ryu and chun li almost all the time. If the only reason that theyd put world warriors is familiarity then why put one of the lesser known characters. Everyone knows hadouken, not a everyone knows yoga flame.

Alright, we can disagree on our definition of iconic then... But in that case Urien's not popular either by your definition so I'm not sure why we're having this conversation. The weird thing is that you admit most people would be able to recognize Dhalsim if they could recognize any SF character at all, which was the whole point. Was this is a semantic argument over the particular use of the word "love"?

And are you saying Dhalsim can't be popular because more people know who Ryu is? 😳

I still don't know what you're hoping to accomplish, but I'm gonna have to stop. You really hate Dhalsim lol

 

[zedreamcast]

Alright, we can disagree on our definition of iconic then... But in that case Urien's not popular either by your definition so I'm not sure why we're having this conversation.

And are you saying Dhalsim can't be popular because more people know who Ryu is? 😳

I still don't know what you're hoping to accomplish, but I'm gonna have to stop. You really hate Dhalsim lol

Man youre really not getting my side AT all. Im saying that the whole idea that sim gets in cause popularity makes no sense when hes lower than most of the world warriors,i never said if urien got in itd be cause popularity, hell i never even fucking mentioned third strike outside of ME liking Necro. I was speaking about sagat and other zoners getting in besides sim. Man get your head out of your ass
You must really hate third strike lol

 

[Beelzebufo]

Man youre really not getting my side AT all. Im saying that the whole idea that sim gets in cause popularity makes no sense when hes lower than most of the world warriors,i never said if urien got in itd be cause popularity, hell i never even fucking mentioned third strike outside of ME liking Necro. I was speaking about sagat and other zoners getting in besides sim. Man get your head out of your ass
You must really hate third strike lol

But that doesn't make sense either, because by being a World Warrior alone he fits the popularity qualification. What puts him above characters like Sagat in my opinion is his unique playstyle and visual design, at which point you started telling me that you like Necro as a character for no reason. We already covered this 😩

 

[zedreamcast]

But that doesn't make sense either, because by being a World Warrior alone he fits the popularity qualification. What puts him above characters like Sagat in my opinion is his unique playstyle and visual design. We already covered this 😩

Hes a zoner just like sagat and while he is sims design is more unique doesnt make it good. Your argument of. Characters getting in cause theyre more popular dies when you realize sim isnt really popular.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Hes a zoner just like sagat and while he is sims design is more unique doesnt make it good. Your argument of. Characters getting in cause theyre more popular dies when you realize sim isnt really popular.

Well that's a good point, Dhalsim and Sagat do play exactly the same. And even though most people know who Dhalsim is, it's true that he's not popular because other characters are popularer, like Ryu. This whole post is actually really well constructed, let's just leave it here.

 

[zedreamcast]

Well that's a good point, Dhalsim and Sagat do play exactly the same. This whole post is actually really well constructed, let's just leave it here.

Man youre a condecending asshole.

 

[Shackzam]

It's not worth it zed

 

[Dremark]

A lot of people used those polls (and the Tekken X Street Fighter one) to vote for characters they wanted in the next game because their actual favs are locks.... Ken and Cammy are my fav two SF characters, I didn't vote for either of them because I didn't think they'll miss whatever Capcom were working on....

I remember the Tekken X Street Fighter thread on this forum was full of people going "Who the fuck is voting for Ryu, Ken, Akuma etc, they'll be in the game for sure".

I assure you Rolento wouldn't be out polled by Dhalsim if he hadn't of been in Street Fighter X Tekken and Ultra SFIV. He would've been a lock for top 10.... and Dudley would not get outpolled by any other SF3 character if he wasn't in IV. (And he was still #2 anyway for SF3 characters...)

I am aware that people will vote characters that they want back over thier actual favorite if they think thier favorite is a sure thing, but the concept I've seen that Rufus and Seth will top the polls years from now and such are not something I believe and are mainly used to discredit results they don't like.

People wanted to act like Karin and R. Mika in particular were literally only the result of them not appearing for a while, and admittedly it likely added to the demand the poll linked a few pages back indicated that even in 2004 or so with everyone on relatively equal ground they both did well.

Again if we get Seth, Sawada and Area topping the polls leading into SF6 feel free to call me out on it, but the passage of time seems to increase existing demand, rather than creating it out of thin air as people seem to claim.

 

[Beelzebufo]

So now that Dhalsim is deconfirmed, who do you guys think would be the other SF2 character if the Siliconera leak ends up being wrong? I would say Balrog, but he's a charge character and Guile's also a charge character, so they would add Guile first.

 

[zedreamcast]

It's not worth it zed

Mmm youre right but lord help me my patience is being tested.

 

[Shackzam]

So now that Dhalsim is deconfirmed, who do you guys think would be the other SF2 character if the Siliconera leak ends up being wrong? I would say Balrog, but he's a charge character and Guile's also a charge character, so they would add Guile first.

Twelve

 

[zedreamcast]

So now that Dhalsim is deconfirmed, who do you guys think would be the other SF2 character if the Siliconera leak ends up being wrong? I would say Balrog, but he's a charge character and Guile's also a charge character, so they would add Guile first.

Skullomania

 

[Beelzebufo]

Twelve

That doesn't make sense. I don't like Twelve. My favorite Street Fighter character is Vega, who does fighting. with weapons way better.

The point is, Twelve won't make it in.

 

[Shackzam]

That doesn't make sense. I don't like Twelve. My favorite Street Fighter character is Vega, who does fighting. with weapons way better.

The point is, Twelve won't make it in.

But twelve is the best SF2 character in the whole cast lol

 

[zedreamcast]

But twelve is the best SF2 character in the whole cast lol

Hes right shak, Scorpion would be a much better choice.

 

[Beelzebufo]

But twelve is the best SF2 character in the whole cast lol

Why are you attacking my own personal opinion?

 

[Momentary]

We need something like the old TeamCG vs Team REAL thread. The tension in here is ridiculous.

There's only one person creating the tension.

 

[zedreamcast]

That sounds like a personal problem you need to work out haha

Why are you attacking my own personal opinion?

*cough* *cough*

 

[Beelzebufo]

*cough* *cough*

Wait... you know I was joking in that last post right? Maybe I need some sleep, I'm so confused. This is bumming me out.

 

[Momentary]

With Alex and Laura showing up in October it's going to make for a great birthday for myself. Really don't care too much for Alex, but I got high hopes for Laura. I hope she's Makoto-ish in spirit. Tough and fiery. Gonna be bummed if she turns out to be a stylized capoeira user.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

Yeah, Dhalsim isn't that popular. He's well known, since he was in SF2. That doesn't make him popular. Same with characters like E. Honda and T. Hawk.

Recognizable =/= Well liked.

Dhalsim is 32 on that Japanese poll. 37 in the more recent worldwide poll. For a classic WW character, that's really not very good at all.

 

[Beelzebufo]

With Alex and Laura showing up in October it's going to make for a great birthday for myself. Really don't care too much for Alex, but I got high hopes for Laura. I hope she's Makoto-ish in spirit. Tough and fiery. Gonna be bummed if she turns out to be a stylized capoeira user.

To be fair, we don't know for sure that Alex is in. A lot of in-the-know community members are convinced that we're getting Gief and Sim now. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

 

[Karsticles]

I would love to see Dhalsim get a stylistic makeover.

Less goofy. More scary.

Spoiler

Inb4 Necro

 

[Negaduck]

We clearly all know the most hype character reveal (which should be the last one) would be lord skullomania.

 

[zedreamcast]

To be fair, we don't know for sure that Alex is in. A lot of in-the-know community members are convinced that we're getting Gief and Sim now. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

He says he doesnt even care about Alex jesus we get it you dont like 3 stop shoving it into everyones face he was talking about Laura.

 

[Beelzebufo]

He says he doesnt even care about Alex jesus we get it you dont like 3 stop shoving it into everyones face he was talking about Laura.

Right, I just wanted to clarify that it seems to be increasingly likely that we won't get Alex. No need to be hostile, we'll find out either way in a month

 

[zedreamcast]

Right, I just wanted to clarify that it seems to be increasingly likely that we won't get Alex. No need to be hostile, we'll find out either way in a month

Then stop mentioning it, you dont have to go every 5 minutes saying that Alex and Urien wont be in.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Then stop mentioning it, you dont have to go every 5 minutes saying that Alex and Urien wont be in.

For the record, Alex and Urien will likely be in one way or another. It just looks like it might not be until early DLC, since we might get Gief and Sim on the base roster instead. Like I said though, nothing's confirmed. We could get Sagat for all we know, he's a pretty popular character after all. But that's just my own personal opinion.

 

[Westlo]

I am aware that people will vote characters that they want back over thier actual favorite if they think thier favorite is a sure thing, but the concept I've seen that Rufus and Seth will top the polls years from now and such are not something I believe and are mainly used to discredit results they don't like.

People wanted to act like Karin and R. Mika in particular were literally only the result of them not appearing for a while, and admittedly it likely added to the demand the poll linked a few pages back indicated that even in 2004 or so with everyone on relatively equal ground they both did well.

Again if we get Seth, Sawada and Area topping the polls leading into SF6 feel free to call me out on it, but the passage of time seems to increase existing demand, rather than creating it out of thin air as people seem to claim.

When I and others bring up Rufus topping polls we're just fucking around. Like you said a character actually has to be popular to have that popularity actually increase. But you have to agree that MIA characters do get a boost.....

Karin and Mika were never more popular than Sakura back in Zero.

When people were chomping @ the bit for SF3 characters to get added to SFIV, Dudley was easily the first name off the cab.... Q was nowhere near him....

"Everyone" wanted Rolento to be added into Super, some where salty as fuck that Adon made it over him. He got added to SFxTK and Ultra and now hardly anyone wants him now....

 

[zedreamcast]

For the record, Alex and Urien will likely be in one way or another. It just looks like it might not be until early DLC, since we might get Gief and Sim on the base roster instead. Like I said though, nothing's confirmed. We could get Sagat for all we know, he's a pretty popular character after all. But that's just my own personal opinion.

done

 

[Beelzebufo]

done

Well, not quite. Nothing will really be "done" until Comic Con. If Alex is revealed, it's safe to say Urien will be too. But if Gief or Sim is revealed, it's obviously unlikely either of those 3S characters will be on the base roster. But even then things won't be truly done until we see the first round of DLC, and that could be revealed before the game's release even.

 

[Dremark]

When I and others bring up Rufus topping polls we're just fucking around. Like you said a character actually has to be popular to have that popularity actually increase. But you have to agree that MIA characters do get a boost.....

Karin and Mika were never more popular than Sakura back in Zero.

When people were chomping @ the bit for SF3 characters to get added to SFIV, Dudley was easily the first name off the cab.... Q was nowhere near him....

"Everyone" wanted Rolento to be added into Super, some where salty as fuck that Adon made it over him. He got added to SFxTK and Ultra and now hardly anyone wants him now....

Fair enough, it's hard to tell if someone is joking sometimes considering how butthurt people get sometimes.

I think in my previous post I straight out said characters we haven't seen for a while do get a boost and if I didn't I meant to.

Sakura probably was more popular than Karin and Mika back in the Zero days (I don't recall if Karin beat her or not on the 2004 poll, but iirc it was close, Mika was a decent amount behind) but things change too.

Honestly I used to like Sakura back then but in SF4 I just found her to be annoying, perhaps that's just me though.

 

[Shadoken]

I swear the next fkin guy who says necro is a better version of Sim and blanka needs to gtfo.

They don't know shit about Street Fighter 2,3, Necro,Sim or Blanka.



Also you guys are delusional if you think that poll is the be all end all of SF character popularity. I recently just links the Capcom 15th anniversary Street Fighter poll which had Remy as one of the top characters mind explaining that.?

Or how about that one time elena was fkin topping the charts but now she's mid low?


These polls aren't even 100% legit, Capcom even stated there was a fake votes issue with one of the SF4 polls and they had to re do it.The fan base of a character not seen in a while is bound to be way more thirsty.

 

[zedreamcast]

I swear the next fkin guy who says necro is a better version of Sim and blanka needs to gtfo.

They don't know shit about Street Fighter 2,3, Necro,Sim or Blanka.



Also you guys are delusional if you think that poll is the be all end all of SF character popularity. I recently just links the Capcom 15th anniversary Street Fighter poll which had Remy as one of the top characters mind explaining that.?

Or how about that one time elena was fkin topping the charts but now she's mid low?

I like necro as a character more, his design and personality are so much more interesting.

 

[Shadoken]

I like necro as a character more, his design and personality are so much more interesting.

That's cool and all but it's got nothing to do with sim or blanka.

All of them can exist in the same game.

 

[Westlo]

Or how about that one time elena was fkin topping the charts but now she's mid low?

Because she was in SFxTK and Ultra? She's still #30 which is nothing to sniff at... but yeah her, Dudley, Ibuki, Makoto and Rolento would've been way higher if this poll took place pre Super.

Blanka da gawd was #20, smh @ the haterz, Blanka gonna show Necalli who's boss in 2017.

 

[Shadoken]

Also imagine if capcom just followed the top characters from that Japanese poll. It wouldn't be Street Fighter it would be Ryu's Angels.

 

[Momentary]

I really hope we see Necro later down the road. Great moves, style, and he had character.

 

[Westlo]

Also imagine if capcom just followed the top characters from that Japanese poll. It wouldn't be Street Fighter it would be Ryu's Angels.

Top 11 are the same, just swap Sagat for Ingrid.

 

[Dremark]

Also you guys are delusional if you think that poll is the be all end all of SF character popularity. I recently just links the Capcom 15th anniversary Street Fighter poll which had Remy as one of the top characters mind explaining that.?

I don't think anyone is saying it's the end all and be all. Also that was the Japan only poll, right. Remy seems like he'd appeal more to the Japanese fanbase and SF3 was still fairly recent at that point.

 

[TheOGB]

I swear the next fkin guy who says necro is a better version of Sim and blanka needs to gtfo.

They don't know shit about Street Fighter 2,3, Necro,Sim or Blanka.



Also you guys are delusional if you think that poll is the be all end all of SF character popularity. I recently just links the Capcom 15th anniversary Street Fighter poll which had Remy as one of the top characters mind explaining that.?

Or how about that one time elena was fkin topping the charts but now she's mid low?


These polls aren't even 100% legit, Capcom even stated there was a fake votes issue with one of the SF4 polls and they had to re do it.The fan base of a character not seen in a while is bound to be way more thirsty.

Yeah, popularity can fluctuate over time.

People vote for who they like and who they're interested in (whether they played the character(s) or not). People might not like how a character turns out in a newer game, or their opinion/tastes/playstyle/interest simply changed. Shit happens ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

Spoiler

And the only thing Blanka, Dhalsim, and Necro have in common is that most people are indifferent towards them

 

[Shadoken]

There was also the nico nico poll for MVC3 which had Cody and Guy at #9,#10 because they have never been in that's series. Cammy was higher and I think ingrid was at 30.

Shit changes, If Alex isn't top now he might be later. he did make it to tvc after all.

Yeah, popularity can fluctuate over time.

People vote for who they like and who they're interested in (whether they played the character(s) or not). People might not like how a character turns out in a newer game, or their opinion/tastes/playstyle/interest simply changed. Shit happens ¯_(&#12484_/¯

Spoiler

And the only thing Blanka, Dhalsim, and Necro have in common is that most people are indifferent towards them

I know it seems like sarcasm and all but am actually agreeing with what you are saying.

But there's a reason the poll isn't definitive simply because of how small the sample is and how it targets only one of the audiences for the game. there is no point calling a poll definitive, it serves as a guideline and ultimately its up to the development team.

 

[ZdkDzk]

If we're going to run with fantasy lists, it would be really great if we just stopped talking about these meaningless popularity polls none of us care about. Even better, instead of just droping the names of characters we like, we could try and list characters that add something interesting or new to the game.

My pick is Twelve. I know he's not well liked, but his air dashing + walking under fireballs + invisibility make him a crazy fun and unique character to play. Because of his mobility and specials he can be incredibly agressive and pressure from at long-range. Best of all, his normals have the range and (ideally more) priority to let him play keep away like a traditional zoner.

Also, his animations would look great in the engine. He's basically just a less visually excessive Darkstalkers character, and we all know that's dead.