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I need someone else opinion on this... Did the driving get worse from ground zeroes to phantom pain? I'm having a difficult time turning and the wheels have zero traction. Jeeps specifically.
 
Just played Ground Zeroes, not having played it before I started with TPP. It's really weird suddenly seeing Snake as an actual actor in cutscenes, lol
Mission was pretty fun too. TPP couldve benefited from having more of these pre-structured missions, even if they're highly linear

Aside from the main mission, is there anything really worth doing in GZ?

Sub_Level said:
We can create our own cutscenes based off audio from the tapes.
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That's gonna take sooooooo many man hours to even look decent, and it still won't compare in the slightest.
I'd rather visualize the scenes for myself
 
swearing-circle said:
Yeah it's really weird that it was hidden within the game because it really is one of the better moments and the final cutscene itself was one of the only emotional punches I felt in the game.

It's only heightened now after realising how much more depth was added to the scene due to the medic feeling guilty about it. Superbunnyhop really nailed how I feel towards that story arc and again, it's really one of my favourite moments in the game.
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When I finished the Paz quest I felt it was the best part of the story. I also finished it after the ending, and I'm glad I did.
 
Reebot said:
On what, the other guy's comment?

Or are you asking me on a source for there being other Metal Gear games?

Surely you're not asking for a source of my claims on the plot, since I said in the quoted comment "the other Metal Gear games."

So I dunno, we've got three possibilities here but none that make sense.
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Yes I meant your post. It shouldn't be too hard to find one piece of evidence that big boss was a public figure know outside of black ops circles and the CIA. A codec call. A YouTube video. I mean, the Internet is filled info on these games. I've played them all, many many times and to my knowledge big boss is nothing more than a legend within the cia internally. He's an undercover agent in snake eater and then he goes rogue. The only other evidence is the plot twists where he shows up at the end of the msx games and says 'surprise snake it's me!!' So again....source?
 
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WHERE IS THE MGSV ART BOOK?! I need a 300 page art book asap
 
Imm0rt4l said:
Only used for deployment missions because it was op during the games testing, unfortunately.
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Yeah, just like how Kojima nerfed the story campaign because it was too emotionally investing, ultimately saving us from depression when the eventual realization sets in that nothing in our lives will exceed our first time with MGSV.

We would probably not be around at this very moment if Kojima didn't do the right thing by cutting the story and instead giving us a non-story with an unsatisfying ending ;_;7
 
I keep thinking about it.

MGS5 is the best incomplete game of all time.

Well Xenogears is maybe there too.

Those two games are definitely so good and had so much potential lost due to development cycles being cut short.
 
brau said:
is that the guy that gets really angry at mgs?
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He's the guy who is terrible at games (on purpose) and always blames them and is also a sexist/misogynistic ass hole who constantly made sexual comments towards EVA and The Boss while playing MGS3.
 
Zomba13 said:
He's the guy who is terrible at games (on purpose) and always blames them and is also a sexist/misogynistic ass hole who constantly made sexual comments towards EVA and The Boss while playing MGS3.
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he's gonna have a field day with Quiet then.
 
Anung said:
It wasn't clever though it was obvious and unearned. People are trying to play the twist off like its MGS2.0 but its nothing like that it. The twist itself was expected because it was so bloody obvious and it detracts from the experience and the overall lore. I can't ignore that.

Couldn't disagree more.
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Oh, of course!

It was all so obvious!

We haven't been playing BB for the last 70 hours! Worst plot twist of all time, you failed Kojima.

... No, mate. Not everybody saw it coming from a mile away. From what I've seen, the minority did. I mean, you're not even explaining yourself. How does this help:

The twist itself was expected because it was so bloody obvious
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Yeah, dur, the twist was expected because it was obvious.

I literally had no idea it was coming or would happen. The only indication I had was at the start of The Truth when we got to see the 'What about him?' bit again, when I suddenly realised. I thought we would be playing Chico or something to be honest, which would have been great. But it turned out we played the person we made, which was totally unexpected but clever - even more clever was when it became clear Ishmael was a real person and was the real BB - which made all his writing stand out and suddenly make sense. I consider myself someone relatively switched on about these sorts of things. I've called lots of twists before they happened in the past, and funnily enough, I studied and am employed for my writing. (I'm not saying MGSV's writing is good on the whole, just that I have some sort of perspective on this.)

You can criticise the twist itself all you want, but I don't think "it's obvious" is one of the criticisms that should be levelled at it.

Ishida said:
That's why you either reboot the series completely, or stop doing games altogether.
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NNNNNNNope, that's not how that works.
 
Aku-Audi said:
But one question: They kick Huey out and leave him on that raft, and mention that one day his lies will catch up with him and haunt him. Assuming that all the accusations against Huey are true, are they implying that his suicide as mentioned in MGS2 was due to his past demons from this game, or did he just float back to America and live a merry life until his life became a hentai game come true?
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It's basically foreshadowing to the n-th degree. Huey committed suicide after seeing what his step-wife was up to. A betrayer gets betrayed. Karma.

It's also meant to be ironic because he survived drowning in the Indian ocean only to drown in a pool.
 
Tieske said:
Just played Ground Zeroes, not having played it before I started with TPP. It's really weird suddenly seeing Snake as an actual actor in cutscenes, lol
Mission was pretty fun too. TPP couldve benefited from having more of these pre-structured missions, even if they're highly linear

Aside from the main mission, is there anything really worth doing in GZ?
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I found all the side ops to be worth doing. Also I'm puzzled that you found it linear compared to phantom pain. It's mission structure is identical. Are you aware that you can rescue Paz first? Or rescue them both and put them together to trigger some neat dialogue? Or that there are other hidden POWs to rescue? It's actually very much a sandbox. Your only objectives are rescue Paz and Chico. The approach itself is wide open and there are several ways to rescue both in either order. Pretty cool
 
Story had its issues but a game hasn't made me swell with emotions quite like A Quiet Exit or the infection mission.

Goddamn 51 not being in it.
 
Moon_frogger said:
Yes I meant your post. It shouldn't be too hard to find one piece of evidence that big boss was a public figure know outside of black ops circles and the CIA. A codec call. A YouTube video. I mean, the Internet is filled info on these games. I've played them all, many many times and to my knowledge big boss is nothing more than a legend within the cia internally. He's an undercover agent in snake eater and then he goes rogue. The only other evidence is the plot twists where he shows up at the end of the msx games and says 'surprise snake it's me!!' So again....source?
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Lol. That's called an "example," not a "source." Next time I'll be sure to bring my mind reading helmet.

So how about that both Naomi and Frank Yager meet Big Boss in Mozambique? You know, while he was fighting in the Civil War. And self-evidently interacting with civilians and military personal. And before you start, no, its not Venom, since then she wouldn't give a damn about the events of MG 2.

Maybe that was a second body double. Acid Snake.

Oh and don't forget he took command of FOXHOUND. Like, commanded it. He personally trained Solid Snake, so he's not some shadow figure lurking in the background. Kind of weird that Solid didn't say "Hey Big Boss, what happened to your prominent horn and robotic arm?" or maybe "Whoa Big Boss, you run Outer Heave? Why do you have a prominent horn and robotic arm?"

Maybe that was a third body double. Sulfuric Snake.

Then there's his resurgence of popularity in MGS 4. Soldier know and recognize his face from the vast amount of publicity his actions in the 1990's got. You know, a face without a prominent horn. Maybe he had a robotic arm though. Maybe he wore like a fluffy coat and a hat.

Maybe that was a fourth body double. Acerbic Snake.
 
Opto said:
Story had its issues but a game hasn't made me swell with emotions quite like A Quiet Exit or the infection mission.

Goddamn 51 not being in it.
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Top 5 scenes in MGSV:

1) Infection mission + We are all Diamond Dogs
2) Quiet exit
3) Paz's ending
4) Venom Snake/Kaz dismember Skull Face
5) The Truth final scene leading into MG1 (even if you don't like the twist, at least it got a reaction out of you)


Most of the high impact scenes were in chapter 2 for me.
 
SomTervo said:
Oh, of course!

It was all so obvious!

We haven't been playing BB for the last 70 hours! Worst plot twist of all time, you failed Kojima.

... No, mate. Not everybody saw it coming from a mile away. From what I've seen, the minority did. I mean, you're not even explaining yourself. How does this help:



Yeah, dur, the twist was expected because it was obvious.

I literally had no idea it was coming or would happen. The only indication I had was at the start of The Truth when we got to see the 'What about him?' bit again, when I suddenly realised. I thought we would be playing Chico or something to be honest, which would have been great. But it turned out we played the person we made, which was totally unexpected but clever - even more clever was when it became clear Ishmael was a real person and was the real BB - which made all his writing stand out and suddenly make sense. I consider myself someone relatively switched on about these sorts of things. I've called lots of twists before they happened in the past, and funnily enough, I studied and am employed for my writing. (I'm not saying MGSV's writing is good on the whole, just that I have some sort of perspective on this.)

You can criticise the twist itself all you want, but I don't think "it's obvious" is one of the criticisms that should be levelled at it.
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One of the very first theories to emerge was that it was the medic. This was pretty much confirmed when people realized his voice was just Keifer. So that was the twist of this game exposed a year in advance. I assume a lot of people like myself assumed that Kojima was playing the long game and couldn't possibly be so obvious. Huge hints from the start of make it even more obvious than the information we got a year prior. The David Bowie Song, Ishmael being voiced by Keifer, The avatar creation bit, The AI pod ("It's not you?..."), Liquids DNA test. I'm sure there are even more I've forgotten. Throughout the game it felt like it thought it was being clever but it was just sad.

Also the "twist" gets dumped on us in a random episode (repeat of the first one) with no rhyme, reason or build up.

And from a lot of the posts in here quite a few people seen it coming or found it obvious. Congrats on being fooled by an incredibly surface level twist...I guess.
 
Reebot said:
Lol. That's called an "example," not a "source." Next time I'll be sure to bring my mind reading helmet.

So how about that both Naomi and Frank Yager meet Big Boss in Mozambique? You know, while he was fighting in the Civil War. And self-evidently interacting with civilians and military personal. And before you start, no, its not Venom, since then she wouldn't give a damn about the events of MG 2.

Maybe that was a second body double. Acid Snake.

Oh and don't forget he took command of FOXHOUND. Like, commanded it. He personally trained Solid Snake, so he's not some shadow figure lurking in the background. Kind of weird that Solid didn't say "Hey Big Boss, what happened to your prominent horn and robotic arm?" or maybe "Whoa Big Boss, you run Outer Heave? Why do you have a prominent horn and robotic arm?"

Maybe that was a third body double. Sulfuric Snake.

Then there's his resurgence of popularity in MGS 4. Soldier know and recognize his face from the vast amount of publicity his actions in the 1990's got. You know, a face without a prominent horn. Maybe he had a robotic arm though. Maybe he wore like a fluffy coat and a hat.

Maybe that was a fourth body double. Acerbic Snake.
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your sarcasm is really unwarranted here. and no, I mean't source not example because your examples are terrible and full of meaningless conjecture. I'll try one more time here and then I'm just gonna ignore you. big boss was a secret agent, from everything we know about him. Just because he met naomi during some civil war somewhere doesn't mean he was a public figure, or that anybody knew of his existence. as far as him commanding foxhound, well just like fox and the boss before him, that was a SECRET BLACK OPS organization. they operated in the shadows. They sent single agents to infiltrate under cover of darkness. he was the head of a spy organization. only those deep within the cia and government (ie the patriots) knew who he was.

as far as MGS4.....what in the heck are you even on about with people knowing and recognizing his face? He was in a coma for the entire game until the very end. the only person who even knows he's still alive is snake and to my knowledge naomi who is dead at that point. It's SOLID SNAKE that's known and recognized, as a terrorist. which is due to the patriots. I seriously think you're a bit confused here but there's honestly no need for sarcasm. if you can provide a source that definitively shows big boss was a well known public figure then feel free to post. otherwise we're done here.
 
To those who say it wasn't obvious: To be fair, I followed the trailer dissection threads and knew about the twist theory way back when it originally emerged. However,I started this game at a friend's house who didn't follow anything and hasn't played a metal gear since mgs1. He heard Ishmael's kiefer-voice, heard the line "you're talking to yourself" and put it together immediately, what with all the talk about facial surgery just minutes before that. You'd have to be in denial or incredibly dense to not at least consider it at the very beginning.

Oh, and we busted out laughing at "let's take the stairs!" to the floor-crawlingly crippled coma patient. Seriously, Kojima?
 
Reebot said:
Lol. That's called an "example," not a "source." Next time I'll be sure to bring my mind reading helmet.

So how about that both Naomi and Frank Yager meet Big Boss in Mozambique? You know, while he was fighting in the Civil War. And self-evidently interacting with civilians and military personal. And before you start, no, its not Venom, since then she wouldn't give a damn about the events of MG 2.

Maybe that was a second body double. Acid Snake.

Oh and don't forget he took command of FOXHOUND. Like, commanded it. He personally trained Solid Snake, so he's not some shadow figure lurking in the background. Kind of weird that Solid didn't say "Hey Big Boss, what happened to your prominent horn and robotic arm?" or maybe "Whoa Big Boss, you run Outer Heave? Why do you have a prominent horn and robotic arm?"

Maybe that was a third body double. Sulfuric Snake.

Then there's his resurgence of popularity in MGS 4. Soldier know and recognize his face from the vast amount of publicity his actions in the 1990's got. You know, a face without a prominent horn. Maybe he had a robotic arm though. Maybe he wore like a fluffy coat and a hat.

Maybe that was a fourth body double. Acerbic Snake.
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your sarcasm is really unwarranted here. and no, I mean't source not example because your examples are terrible and full of meaningless conjecture. I'll try one more time here and then I'm just gonna ignore you. big boss was a secret agent, from everything we know about him. Just because he met naomi during some civil war somewhere doesn't mean he was a public figure, or that anybody knew of his existence. where in any of the games is he even show interacting with a single civilian that he wasn't SECRETLY THERE TO RESCUE or part of his team of black ops handlers under his code name 'snake'?

as far as him commanding foxhound, well just like fox and the boss before him, that was a SECRET BLACK OPS organization. they operated in the shadows. They sent single agents to infiltrate under cover of darkness. he was the head of a spy organization. only those deep within the cia and government (ie the patriots) knew who he was. he was a legend, a shadow. Even the soliders in V refer to him as the 'one eyed balloon king' He's batman. He's not some public figure speaking at press events on cnn. He never officially worked for the government as big boss.

as far as MGS4.....what in the heck are you even on about with people knowing and recognizing his face? He was in a coma for the entire game until the very end. the only person who even knows he's still alive is snake and to my knowledge naomi who is dead at that point. It's SOLID SNAKE that's known and recognized, as a terrorist. which is due to the patriots. I seriously think you're a bit confused here but there's honestly no need for sarcasm. if you can provide a source that definitively shows big boss was a well known public figure then feel free to post. otherwise we're done here.
 
Moon_frogger said:
as far as MGS4.....what in the heck are you even on about with people knowing and recognizing his face? He was in a coma for the entire game until the very end. the only person who even knows he's still alive is snake and to my knowledge naomi who is dead at that point. It's SOLID SNAKE that's known and recognized, as a terrorist. which is due to the patriots. I seriously think you're a bit confused here but there's honestly no need for sarcasm. if you can provide a source that definitively shows big boss was a well known public figure then feel free to post. otherwise we're done here.
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You should really replay the games. You've forgotten major plot points.
 
Moon_frogger said:
as far as MGS4.....what in the heck are you even on about with people knowing and recognizing his face? He was in a coma for the entire game until the very end. the only person who even knows he's still alive is snake and to my knowledge naomi who is dead at that point. It's SOLID SNAKE that's known and recognized, as a terrorist. which is due to the patriots. I seriously think you're a bit confused here but there's honestly no need for sarcasm. if you can provide a source that definitively shows big boss was a well known public figure then feel free to post. otherwise we're done here.
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Huh.... It seems you don't know much about MGS4. Big Boss' files, including his identity and his skills were declassified after MGS2. This means that CQC became widespread among soldiers throughout the world (Hence Meryl recognizing it when Old Snake put Johnny on a chokehold). In MGS4, pretty much all soldiers in the battlefield know who Big Boss is and how he looked like.
 
What the fucking fuck did I just sit through. This game is such a dam enigma in terms of awesome amazing gameplay and the most god damn fucking stupid decisions I have seen.

There's so much clearly cut content that I have no clue why they even bothered trying to tell a story. Such a shame that this is most probably due to Konami politics more than anything else. The cut content anyways, the disjointed story is Kojima's as always. It's really annoying seeing how much more potential the game had.

I really don't know how I feel about this being the last MGS game and the fact that it so shittily explained barely anything and made things even more ridiculous.
 
Big Boss was known worldwide to the general public after MGS2, the Patriots declassified his files and he became an instant pop culture phenomenon. Otacon tells you in a codec call.

Before that BB was likely only known to military and higher up government types.
 
Ishida said:
Huh.... It seems you don't know much about MGS4. Big Boss' files, including his identity and his skills were declassified after MGS2. This means that CQC became widespread among soldiers throughout the world (Hence Meryl recognizing it when Old Snake put Johnny on a chokehold). In MGS4, pretty much all soldiers in the battlefield know who Big Boss is and how he looked like.
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Shhh, no plot points here, only "conjecture."
 
The Silver said:
Big Boss was known worldwide to the general public after MGS2, the Patriots declassified his files and he became an instant pop culture phenomenon. Otacon tells you in a codec call.

Before that BB was likely only known to military and higher up government types.
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Taylor Swift is a clone of BB confirmed.
 
Ishida said:
8th place... I need to step up my game... :/
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Spend two weeks living in thread

Don't make top ten

Body double me if incompetent
 
Zomba13 said:
I look forward
dread
the supercut of all the awful things he says to and about her.
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Tieske said:
That's gonna take sooooooo many man hours to even look decent, and it still won't compare in the slightest.
I'd rather visualize the scenes for myself
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I'm sure people will still try. At the very least, StudioFOW might be able to create something fairly polished to flesh out Quiet's backstory and Paz's Ground Zeroes plot. It'd probably be more tasteful and understated than the original game's treatment of them, at least.
 
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