Roni
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I guess one disappointment from the game is that I couldn't kill him in a pseudo-choice moment like Quiet or Skull Face. That sociopathic asshole deserved to be drowned.
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I guess one disappointment from the game is that I couldn't kill him in a pseudo-choice moment like Quiet or Skull Face. That sociopathic asshole deserved to be drowned.
Not really an option since we knew how he died due to MGS2.
Roni
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You're right, still wanted to kill him though.
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Ōkami;180180284 said:
Wow I didn't even think of this.
Is there any way to re-customize the look of my Phantom? I did some save swapping early on to be able to show my girlfriend the prologue mission but now at the end of the game I'm stuck with the throw-away character look I made for her prologue playthrough. I'd love to be able to pump out a phantom with the original look I had in mind. Will playing the prologue mission again let me do it?
What they could have (should have) done is give you the same shoot/don't shoot moment as Skull Face and Quiet, but with a Time Paradox: Fission Mailed screen if you go for the shoot option. That way, you can get the satisfaction of brutally murdering him with a shotgun, but eventually you'll have to go with the canon choice.
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Go in the ACC and its under customize
You can customize your avatar's look from the iDroid.
I must've missed these. I do realize that most people agree that Liquid kills Miller, but where in MGSV is this implied? Also, why did Cipher change it's name to the Patriots? There was a fleeting mention in the Zero tapes, I believe. As for the S3 plan, I didn't catch any of that.
I don't want to go over this again since I pretty much lay it all out in my video but talking about themes and labeling them as Chapter Titles doesn't mean they are actually explored or present in the game. Revenge, Language, Race, Guilt, Paranoia, the Role of the Player, and much more are all talked about the game but never fully explored or expressed.
I actually think the post game convo meant Ocelot killed Miller. Ocelot was pretty much Liquid's lackey at that point.
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There are no facts, only interpretations...but that's the problem. There are zero facts. You as the player must work overtime to conclude someone else's story. It's a great excersize, but when you're putting in the work to Fulton that dude and eliminate that tank... A fact or two would be nice.
lifa-cobex
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People won't be discussing or interpreting MGSV for years to come, it isn't very deep at all.
There isn't even that much debate going on here on the actual content, just feelings about what occurred. We aren't asking "I wonder if the Medic is meant to represent the player" because Kojima isn't subtle about anything in this game. We know what he meant. We know where he's coming from.
Yet Miller worked at FOXHOUND, under the command of that very same "monster".
Hmm.
hell yes
You're in luck. Because you will.
Erm, I already beat the game, lol. I know he's quick to anger throughout.
Great character, though.
Roni
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Someone involved with Liquid killed Miller. Ocelot gave Kaz an ultimatum saying that if he ever went back to Cipher and showed support for one clone, he would help the other. Miller helped the Patriots use Solid to kill/capture the real Big Boss in 1999. Ocelot was "under" Liquid's command in MGS.
Most of the AI's used to simulate Zero's will were named after key figures in US history. People most US citizens would consider patriots. When the system took place, they started using that name to symbolize figures, entities concerned with the future of the world as a single state.
Ocelot thought the idea of a 'Solid Snake Simulation' to create extremely capable soldiers wasn't at all far-fetched because he himself had seen it happen in 1984 with Venom. But instead of using fake transplanted memories, generating new original memories with the same meaning.
Of course that was a lie, but a lie convenient for Ocelot's reality - therefore harder for him to see through.
He was awesome, very powerful delivery. Especially that scene where he is rescued and headed to motherbase and talks about revenge.
Really put BB's new voice to shame (he wasn't bad or annoying, just nothing special).
End game mgs5 implies ocelot was the one who killed Miller, since he was assassinated in 2005.
Makes sense since that was the same year the shadow Moses incident happened..where liquid impersonates Miller in order to bring Solid Snake there. And liquid and ocelot is working together, so maybe liquid issued the hit to get the ball rolling
Makes sense since that was the same year the shadow Moses incident happened..where liquid impersonates Miller in order to bring Solid Snake there. And liquid and ocelot is working together, so maybe liquid issued the hit to get the ball rolling
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It would make more sense. How else would Ocelot show his loyalty to Liquid... Cause he's pretty much a dick to him in V.
I like Venom's voice, but yeah, Kaz is in a league of his own.
I especially liked his performance in the trial/exile of Huey. This is not verbatim, but I love this part: "The enemy is right in front of us — he's on his knees! He didn't lose anything!" And then: "That son of a bitch'll make it, you know. Tell tales of the black-hearted Diamond Dogs while everyone nods along with their fool's idea of morality." (Again, not verbatim)
Also, during the bit where they interrogate Quiet: "Refreshing? Saltwater," and then, "His life is not yours to take." Goddamn, Kaz.
Roni
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Might wanna check that statement's veracity...
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The strain? Voice of captain America?
yup
Travis Touchdown in No More Heroes, and the Medic in TF2 are notable roles.
He's done a lot of great work.
The best is that both Travis and Kaz wear the same style sunglasses.
The thing is nobody was really asking these questions. Particularly:
* Who created the Patriot AI's;
We knew it was DARPA, given the involvement of SIGINT into DARPA at the end of MGS3, and given their control of the internet. The extra detail of Strangelove being the particular person to do it is irrelevant, given how she wasn't conceived until after MGS4 was released.
* How did Big Boss survive Outer Heaven's destruction;
Nobody was really asking this,
* The reason why Ocelot was so eager to believe S3 meant Solid Snake Simulation instead of its true meaning;
Everything Ocelot did in MGS1 to 4 is super suspect. Whether he believes the S3 name or not is kind of a super minor point
* How did Psycho Mantis, Liquid Snake and Revolver Ocelot were involved before MGS;
MGS1 just says that they were part of Foxhound; we receive no indication that Mantis had a long relationship with Liquid or Ocelot, other than Mantis saying "you are worse than Liquid" (or something to that effect) to Solid when he died. Liquid does not intimate he knew Big Boss or that he had actually drived a metal gear like robot in his childhood either, or that he knew Ocelot from old times. Before MGSV we receive no indication Liquid and Mantis knew each other from childhood.
edit: MGS1 liquid says
"Snake : ...So that's why you're so obsessed with Big Boss. Some warped
kind of love.
Liquid : Love!? It's hate!! He always told me I was inferior and now I'll
have my revenge!! You should understand me, brother. You killed
our father with your own hands! You stole my chance for revenge!
Now I'll finish the work that father began. I will surpass him...
I will destroy him!"
Which is doubly weird because we don't really see this happen in MGSV either!
* Who killed Miller in 2005;
I assume this means "who directly killed Miller", as in, who is the assassin.
While some people are actually curious about this, MGSV doesn't really say that it was Ocelot. We are exactly in the same place as in MGS1 about this.
It is possible Miller grew bitter in time about having been fiddled one more time about Venom's identity. That and BB actually creating a mercenary nation with nukes probably drove him over the edge to hating BB.
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I thought he was one of the more familiar things about the game. It was welcomed. I also enjoyed the return of campy Kaz in those burger tapes.
RevolverRoden
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Robin Atkin Downes' performance as Kaz is the best VA performance of all time.
He's Tenzin from Uncharted 2? Wow.
Honestly, Kaz was probably my favorite character in the end.
Many of the characters in MGSV have flat personalities — they fit a certain role, and that's fine — but Kaz is an emotional rollercoaster.
Seething anger one moment, thoughtful reflection the next. Restless paranoia and genuine frustration. Teary-eyed and in awe of the boss ("A shining light to our brothers-in-arms, even in death") and then bitter with betrayal ("The boss can go to hell, and I'll make his phantom and his sons stronger to send him there").
He's consumed by anger and seems like the most fitting application of that Mark Twain quote they used to promote the game — the whole bit about anger doing more harm to the vessel it's stored in than the object on which it's poured. He's one unhappy dude, and kind of an emotional masochist, refusing bionic limbs just to remember the men he lost. But he's not completely joyless, as we see from his fervor to create the perfect burger.
Just a great character all-around. I love every scene he's in.
Many of the characters in MGSV have flat personalities — they fit a certain role, and that's fine — but Kaz is an emotional rollercoaster.
Seething anger one moment, thoughtful reflection the next. Restless paranoia and genuine frustration. Teary-eyed and in awe of the boss ("A shining light to our brothers-in-arms, even in death") and then bitter with betrayal ("The boss can go to hell, and I'll make his phantom and his sons stronger to send him there").
He's consumed by anger and seems like the most fitting application of that Mark Twain quote they used to promote the game — the whole bit about anger doing more harm to the vessel it's stored in than the object on which it's poured. He's one unhappy dude, and kind of an emotional masochist, refusing bionic limbs just to remember the men he lost. But he's not completely joyless, as we see from his fervor to create the perfect burger.
Just a great character all-around. I love every scene he's in.
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Honestly, Kaz was probably my favorite character in the end.
Many of the characters have flat personalities they fit a certain role, and that's fine but Kaz is an emotional rollercoaster. Seething anger one moment, thoughtful reflection the next. Restless paranoia and genuine frustration. Teary-eyed and in awe of the boss ("A shining light to our brothers-in-arms, even in death") and then bitter with betrayal ("The boss is going to hell, and I'll make his phantom and his sons stronger to send him there"). He's consumed by anger and seems like the most fitting application of that Mark Twain quote they used to promote the game the whole bit about anger doing more harm to the vessel it's stored in than the object on which it's poured. He's one unhappy dude, and kind of an emotional masochist, refusing bionic limbs just to remember the men he lost. But he's not completely joyless, as we see from his fervor to create the perfect burger.
Just a great character all-around. I love every scene he's in.
if I lost and arm, leg, vision and base full of comrades, I would be fucking pissed as fuck too.
Roni
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I'm confused about this statement. There is no possibility. Kaz flat out said it he hated Big Boss for leaving him out of the loop in the post-credits scene in Phantom Pain. Did you watch that?
Honestly, Kaz was probably my favorite character in the end.
Many of the characters in the game have flat personalities they fit a certain role, and that's fine but Kaz is an emotional rollercoaster. Seething anger one moment, thoughtful reflection the next. Restless paranoia and genuine frustration. Teary-eyed and in awe of the boss ("A shining light to our brothers-in-arms, even in death") and then bitter with betrayal ("The boss is going to hell, and I'll make his phantom and his sons stronger to send him there").
He's consumed by anger and seems like the most fitting application of that Mark Twain quote they used to promote the game the whole bit about anger doing more harm to the vessel it's stored in than the object on which it's poured. He's one unhappy dude, and kind of an emotional masochist, refusing bionic limbs just to remember the men he lost. But he's not completely joyless, as we see from his fervor to create the perfect burger.
Just a great character all-around. I love every scene he's in.
I think the word you're looking for is inconsistent. I love Kaz cuz RTD's performance is phenomenal and he's like the only character that displays any emotion but he's super inconsistent.
"We're gonna take back everything we lost!!!"
"You're gonna extract, him?
I see where you're coming from, but I think most of what seems "inconsistent" is just Kaz deferring to Big Boss. Their opinions don't always align, but he generally gives BB the benefit of the doubt.
yea, I don't think he's completely blind but rather his vision has been impaired from being mistreated and tortured. I think he basically can't look at things without his sunglasses anymore.
There are several degrees of blindness. It is possible he can see some in short distances but is still functionally blind.
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