BreezyLimbo
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It just irks me what Eli is doing. I know that's his character, but mr. daddy issues is doing fucked up things. Bullying kids and trying to get them killed? Fuck that shit. Fuck him.
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It just irks me what Eli is doing. I know that's his character, but mr. daddy issues is doing fucked up things. Bullying kids and trying to get them killed? Fuck that shit. Fuck him.
razzmahtazz
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I brought up Jodrowsky's Dune which was never made but its such a daring and ambitious artistic endeavour that it influenced dozens of other film projects and brought artists to the forefront, Giger, Moebius, Dan O'Bannon, Salvador Dalí and etc.
Another is the Thief and the Cobbler in production continuously for over 28 years. The end product narratively isn't that good but jesus if you look at the animation its nothing short of genius. My analogy there is that gameplay = animation, and given what we already have of the gameplay, giving them more time would probably have perfected it.
Almost certainly named as a reference to Lord of the Flies.
I can't believe I didn't make that connection. I caught the conch shell, pig's head and "Kingdom of the Flies," but I completely overlooked Ralph.
That ending would've happened and been great if Venom Snake never existed. You know, if it was still just Big Boss so that it was a man's real past catching up to him.
But that assumes an utterly different story.
WrenchNinja
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that's one of the things I liked About Otacon or at least that little backstory. There was a dark side to him with him causing a tragedy like that. He has some weird ass family issuesOh, don't get me wrong, I actually liked what they did to his character. It makes him very different from his son and puts MGS 2's events concerning Otacon at a more positive light. I liked Otacon before but always had this "dude, what the fuck" feeling regarding him being the reason for his father's suicide and all that. Now that I know Huey's true face, I can fully commit to liking Otacon without any second thoughts.
Besides, I like despisable villains.
The whole thing loses something when you think the dad is a piece of shit scumbag who should go kill himself anyway and who may have killed himself not because of Otacon at all
Of course for the character of Otacon, he does not know that which makes him still blame himself, but the player now does and it just makes me go meh
I actually liked Huey's thing, because the way it layered onto his PW straight-clone-of-Otacon character, it kinda made it seem like he had always been this weasely little jackass the whole time, except that circumstantially it didn't matter as much in PW and there was no reason to get on his case about anything.
Huey was the best villain in MGSV. Bar none.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I just want to say I fully agree with your interpretation of Venom, Neiteio. I wish he was a fully fleshed out character and not a stand-in for a player avatar - there's a lot of potential in there for an MGS2 level twist, an actual Solid Snake Simulation story with the depth of taking on a role and identity while still remaining distinctly unique. Alas, I could probably count the amount of times V shows his personality on one hand.
Huey being reinvented seemed plausible because his character existed in a vacuum during Peace Walker. He talked about science and nukes and what he worked on... and his crush on Strangelove, I guess. We learn more about his underlying personality traits here - which is actually good writing insofar as fleshing out characters for a sequel. He still felt like Huey, and he still acted the same in similar situations, but for the most part the context he was placed within was different and we learned things about him that totally changed how we viewed him.
Huey being reinvented seemed plausible because his character existed in a vacuum during Peace Walker. He talked about science and nukes and what he worked on... and his crush on Strangelove, I guess. We learn more about his underlying personality traits here - which is actually good writing insofar as fleshing out characters for a sequel. He still felt like Huey, and he still acted the same in similar situations, but for the most part the context he was placed within was different and we learned things about him that totally changed how we viewed him.
BreezyLimbo
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That and 9 years is a long time for Huey to change.
Basically I wanted two broad narrative beats from TPP story;
1) To demonstrate the fall of Big Boss into rank villainy from even where he was in Peace Walker.
2) To put centre stage what I thought was truly the series central conflict; the struggle between Zero and Big Boss to shape the world around their interpretation of the Boss' vision.
So given Zero and Big Boss were barely in the game I was pretty disappointed sadly.
While initially disliking how weak the back half of Huey's story felt, I've come around to liking it more and more and the way it played with my expectations by trading on my feelings about Otacon.
1) To demonstrate the fall of Big Boss into rank villainy from even where he was in Peace Walker.
2) To put centre stage what I thought was truly the series central conflict; the struggle between Zero and Big Boss to shape the world around their interpretation of the Boss' vision.
So given Zero and Big Boss were barely in the game I was pretty disappointed sadly.
While initially disliking how weak the back half of Huey's story felt, I've come around to liking it more and more and the way it played with my expectations by trading on my feelings about Otacon.
Vampirolol
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Just bought Ghost Babel (cart only) for 20. Hope my GBA still works or else I'll have to play on an emulator, if only there was a VC version.
This is a minor detail, but I just wanted to say, all you people who say Venom's horn came from Paz's bomb... Well, you're right!
I was watching the mirror scene, the part where we see the events of GZ, and if you pause it when the medic blocks BB from the blast, you can see the shard implanted in the medic's head.
Whether the shard is bomb shrapnel or Paz's bones is still unclear, but yeah, I can see now it didn't come from anything else (i.e. the enemy chopper crashing into them, etc).
I was watching the mirror scene, the part where we see the events of GZ, and if you pause it when the medic blocks BB from the blast, you can see the shard implanted in the medic's head.
Whether the shard is bomb shrapnel or Paz's bones is still unclear, but yeah, I can see now it didn't come from anything else (i.e. the enemy chopper crashing into them, etc).
Sevket-Erhat
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What exactly did Huey do to Strangelove? I never listened to the tapes closely
I just thought of something:
Did Sutherland voice BB/Venom in the Japanese version of the game, as well? And if so, did he speak in Japanese?
Didn't really think to look into this until now.
This led to them fighting, and Huey locking Strangelove inside the AI pod, where she suffocated to death. The AI pod recorded her dying words, which was used as evidence against Huey during his trial.
Did Sutherland voice BB/Venom in the Japanese version of the game, as well? And if so, did he speak in Japanese?
Didn't really think to look into this until now.
Huey wanted to use their son, Hal, as a test subject in Metal Gear Sahelanthropus (the Metal Gear only has a child-sized cockpit, due to the logistics of its design). Strangelove did not want to see her son put in danger.
This led to them fighting, and Huey locking Strangelove inside the AI pod, where she suffocated to death. The AI pod recorded her dying words, which was used as evidence against Huey during his trial.
Sevket-Erhat
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Damn those tapes. Make me feel angry at hurried production
Not sure what you mean. The tapes seem like a deliberate design choice from the onset to avoid the pace-breaking nature of forced codecs.
Besides, in this case, they actually touch on what Huey did in radio calls you can't miss. And the trial cutscene itself shows the AI pod "testifying" against Huey.
Akio Otsuka voices both - retaining Snake's original Japanese actor while replacing his English one contributed to the Hayter drama from the beginning. I think Stefanie Joosten is the only actor in MGSV to voice their character in both Japanese and English.
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying.
Alex_Mexico
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Way to needlessly bloat this game's already expensive budget by recasting the main character's voice of 17 years for an A list Hollywood actor. That is one I exclusively pin on Kojima.
I do understand now why Medic Big Boss was so silent for the majority of the game. I do not, however, forgive them for that awkward 10 minute Jeep ride with a Skull Face monologue that contained zero words from Snake. Fake BB or not that was jarring as shit.
Sevket-Erhat
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I always thought that fan made remake of Metal Gear that was shut down would have some kind of involvement in Phantom Pain hence David Hayter as the voice actor for Snake
Berserker976
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Seems like a pretty huge oversight to not just put a handle on the inside of the AI pod, in retrospect. Especially since it was designed to be tinkered with from the inside.
Strangelove even regrets that openly in the recording. "I should have put a lock to open it from the inside" or something like that.
Yeah I felt sorry for him in PW when I knew how he died but know I can say he deserved it.
let's be real, kiefer is a hollywood actor, but he's not a-list. he's someone who had a successful hollywood career that eventually slowed down, and found later success on tv.
Sevket-Erhat
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It would have been much better without him. Trust me
It's actually in line with his MGSV character. He is projecting his own guilt on others, he is compensating by being extra harsh on Venom.
I just kinda realized this and while it may be a "fool me twice, shame on me" thing, the wasted opportunity comes across no more clearly to me than in the E3 trailer when the taglines built up to the notion of "Phantom breeds Destruction" when like.. the complete opposite happens. That E3 trailer felt misleading in it's entirety, and not in the MGS2 way but in a way where all of the cutscenes and taglines are cleverly crafted to imply that the story was going to be about atrocity as opposed to heroism.
To be honest it kind of already left me with a sinking feeling the moment I noticed you had to collect "Heroism" points, and with the hidden Chapter 3 in the game having that Big Boss monologue it feels like it retcons even Peace Walker when he convinced himself that she had betrayed him.
Thing is... I feel like that's especially why turning him into an asshole isn't a justified decision. Otacon's entire arc existed on him being a pitiable person coming to terms with the fact and if I'm supposed to be informed that Huey "had it coming" anyway then that kind of robs the emotional gut punch of EE and Otacon's dysfunctional relationship. Sure he won't necessarily find out that his dad deserved it but this is still information the audience has, and which is also entirely pointless since not every thing needs to be connected.
Huey being ostracized is one thing I'm okay with that already displays a stark difference compared to Snake and Hal's relationship as instead of being best friends we have an alternate version where Snake (and crew) are instead abusing a predecessor of Hal's who is in strong opposition of them. It also manages to be a good reason for internal conflict since someone on the inside needs to be subjected to the reality of Big Boss' entire operation, and Huey is the perfect vector for that. But having to rewrite him as the only remotely non-justified asshole is cheap when he's the only one spitting the truthbombs about Big Boss' gang of criminals. Meanwhile Kojima retcons Zero into being misunderstood and Big Boss into being a hero.
To be honest it kind of already left me with a sinking feeling the moment I noticed you had to collect "Heroism" points, and with the hidden Chapter 3 in the game having that Big Boss monologue it feels like it retcons even Peace Walker when he convinced himself that she had betrayed him.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I actually liked what they did to his character. It makes him very different from his son and puts MGS 2's events concerning Otacon at a more positive light. I liked Otacon before but always had this "dude, what the fuck" feeling regarding him being the reason for his father's suicide and all that. Now that I know Huey's true face, I can fully commit to liking Otacon without any second thoughts.
Besides, I like despisable villains.
Thing is... I feel like that's especially why turning him into an asshole isn't a justified decision. Otacon's entire arc existed on him being a pitiable person coming to terms with the fact and if I'm supposed to be informed that Huey "had it coming" anyway then that kind of robs the emotional gut punch of EE and Otacon's dysfunctional relationship. Sure he won't necessarily find out that his dad deserved it but this is still information the audience has, and which is also entirely pointless since not every thing needs to be connected.
Huey being ostracized is one thing I'm okay with that already displays a stark difference compared to Snake and Hal's relationship as instead of being best friends we have an alternate version where Snake (and crew) are instead abusing a predecessor of Hal's who is in strong opposition of them. It also manages to be a good reason for internal conflict since someone on the inside needs to be subjected to the reality of Big Boss' entire operation, and Huey is the perfect vector for that. But having to rewrite him as the only remotely non-justified asshole is cheap when he's the only one spitting the truthbombs about Big Boss' gang of criminals. Meanwhile Kojima retcons Zero into being misunderstood and Big Boss into being a hero.
I guess. I just expected a scientist to understand that there is no cure.
Also, I finished the story and never saw Paz at all?
Trust him guys
You have to go to the second floor of the med bay and look for a blue door.
That'a not the point. He just wanta to be angry at someone so that people are not angry at him. Think a child that breaks the television playing and then starting to yell at the dog.
And a lot of people were complaining about Hayter's performance for years.
Yeah, the strain's mutation occurred due to him. And he was shifting blame all the way through him being lowered into the boat and being sent adrift.
Honestly once you realize this part Mission 43 becomes a lot less hard hitting.
It feels like Huey was meant to be a very ambiguous character in terms of intent so when he criticized you I felt like it was a bit of a red flag in terms of who was ultimately right or not. Then when nothing comes from that entire segment in terms of developing Big Boss' character and is only used as an excuse to kick Huey out, it really ruins how much it resonated for me in the moment.
Like, I was convinced that was going to be Big Boss' descent into becoming a demon or whatever but "nope we're Diamond Dogs lmao". As it stands the entire sequence literally exists probably because Kojima thought it was cool but instead like everything else it feels like it came out of nowhere.
Huey's simpering sociopathic ingratiation is very well done. Always trying to be on your side while fucking up everything. Absolutely one of the most interestingly written characters in MGSV and in MGS and honestly games as a whole. I can't really think of a similarly written character in gaming, and watching Huey's lies unravel and villainy get exposed was great.
Punished_Snake
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Heuy's coffee mug with "I love DD" tag shows the hypocritical nature of the character. He doesn't give a shit about DD, he is here for selfish reasons, a place for a scientist to make his ideas come true.
SJRB
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Not to mention Huey himself is to blame since he caused the radiation leak.
The guy is way more fucked in the head that was even remotely hinted at in prior games.
bobawesome
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And in a one-two combo, the game took away two things I loved most: playing as Big Boss and fighting alongside Quiet. I wish I hadn't been in such a hurry to watch that shitfest of an ending. Never before has a game given me such highs and lows. Tonight I was still in love with it and now...not so much. I thought people were exaggerating...
Clear
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Losing Quiet, I can understand being disappointing, but playing as Big Boss?
Why does it matter when you are still to all intents-and-purposes Big Boss within the fiction of the game?
Yay for character development.
A dude spends a decade feeling like a piece of shit because he made a decision to protect himself, whilst screwing everyone else, and becomes a piece of shit who constructs a narrative that allows him to live with himself.
Blackthorn
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Just watched Episode 51.
Damn, it hurts not getting that in the game. I assume if it was shown on the CE Bluray there's no chance of it being DLC down the line either.
Damn, it hurts not getting that in the game. I assume if it was shown on the CE Bluray there's no chance of it being DLC down the line either.
Sevket-Erhat
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Unfortunately
Dick Justice
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Dixon's Jet
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Never say never. Right?
Punished_Snake
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I rike this.
immortal-joe
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Have people found ways to "hack" or cheat with FOB stuff on console? Curious
i played peace walker and mgs4. it would have been worse with hayter. trust me.
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