Rock Band 4 announced for PS4 and Xbox One

Here's a question that's not going to be very popular here, but, does anyone really know if this Rock Band won't turn out to be like:



What I'm so skeptical about:
  • Instrument Compatibility: A company that prided itself on instrument compatibility in the previous generation, even with instruments from other vendors, can't even muster full compatibility with it's own released hardware?
  • Instrument Compatibility (fanatics): All of that effort catering to the hardcore crowd (the Ion drum kit, pro guitar, the midi adapter), and none of that was carried over?
  • Rock Band 3 song export: This is two-fold. The fact that Harmonix never bothered negotiating for song exports for Rock Band 3 when it was being developed really means Rock Band 3 is my Mummy 3. Take the songs from Rock Band 3 and add in the harmony support, bundle it to Rock Band 2, and you have the ultimate game. The spades system is stupid and everything else felt very unpolished. Part two will be discovered when the game is launched. If there is an export code in the box, then this isn't a cash-in by Harmonix, but a revival of a franchise.
    You can tell by the fact that I brought this up that I'm highly skeptical of this
  • No online multiplayer support: Madden X, Y, or Z anyone?
  • Lack of real (official) details about the game nine days before launch: How much do we really know about the game from official press releases and demos vs. people who have demoed it or random tweets here and there? Is there a World Tour? Is there even a single-player/band campaign or is Rock Band 4 just a play-one-at-a-time setlist on your current gen console?

Old Instrument compatibility is mostly on Microsoft (wired stuff). The ION/Pro/midi stuff was apparently used by ~1-2% of the total user base and in order to keep cost to develop reasonable (since they self-funded with Mad Catz) they had to cut underused features. This is also why online multiplayer was dropped.

RB3 Export: Can't disagree here. If I had to guess I'd say not planning ahead and securing the rights to the songs for DLC/export was either missed or too expensive and the previous publisher didn't want to pony up the cash. This is a huge bummer for us either way.

RB4 Export: I don't know, if the intent was to make this the "platform" Rock Band was initially intended to be then an export code doesn't make any sense here. Personally I'd love it if the box came with a code to just let me download the game, but I need the Guitar bundle to get a full band up and running and I'm not double dipping until the download price drops.

Lack of Details: I think part of the problem is HMX is super busy getting the game out the door. They aren't a huge company and Nick Chester is only one man. At least some of your questions have been answered even if not in an Official FAQ. There is a single player "campaign" where you earn fans and have a manager etc. "The campaign, meanwhile, is perhaps Rock Band 4’s most interesting reach in the gameplay design department. It is, effectively, a Rock Band RPG" Source
 
Holy crap, PS4 guitars MUST be tilted for Overdrive to be used:
https://twitter.com/RockBand/status/649292346421604352

As a select button only player, I'm super glad I picked RB for the Xbox family now. Would have driven me insane to tilt every time.

Sony cannibalizing the select button for the share button is the thing I hate most about the PS4. It creates havoc with third party controllers. It is an issue with fightsticks and now these. Software ends up being gimped as a result. It seems Sony mandates having the share button.
 
I was convinced I had already bought all of the DLC I needed, but I'm looking through the sale songs and realizing there are some 30 Seconds to Mars songs in the sale that I still don't have, and I play drums? Not sure how I missed that.
 
Man, I'm at my parents house now going through all my old stuff to move into my house and I found at least 5 old wired/wireless Xbox 360 guitars and drum sets. It makes me sad that I probably can't use them in this game.
 
If he doesn't I have a beatles one I'd be willing to part with.

For real and for true? Two important questions.

1) Is it in good/decent playable condition? Non broken kick pedal?

2) How much?

I've been looking all over my city for a kit, and every one I've found is broken. I'd love to not have to buy the bundle just to get a new drumkit.
 
(Most?) pros don't use RB guitars anyway. I'm assuming select still activates overdrive on old GH guitars.

That depends on how select on GH guitars is mapped on the PS4. If it's mapped to the touch pad then hey, woo, good stuff. But then, why couldn't it happen on the RB4 strat? If it's mapped to the share button then we're still at square one.
 
Looks like the people selected for the Rock Band Road Crew have started to receive their bundles, so be on the look out for more pictures, streams, etc. They're shipped via FedEx, so I looked into it and it says mine will be here Friday (though others' said the same thing and have already received it.)

Also seems like in addition to the band in the bundle box, RBRC members are getting an additional standalone guitar, so that's pretty cool.

... now the only bad part is that I'll be out of town for the weekend. Welp.
 
About the setlists, even if Shows mode had a way to pick a big setlist at the beginning, it would still be terrible because you don't save scores in Shows. The reason is because your overdrive carries over to the next song so it would give unfair advantage, so they disabled leaderboards for it.

Unfortunately they chose the same stupid thing for Tour mode so I guess scores you get in mode that won't save to leaderboards either.
 
About the setlists, even if Shows mode had a way to pick a big setlist at the beginning, it would still be terrible because you don't save scores in Shows. The reason is because your overdrive carries over to the next song so it would give unfair advantage, so they disabled leaderboards for it.

Unfortunately they chose the same stupid thing for Tour mode so I guess scores you get in mode that won't save to leaderboards either.

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Okay, I kinda want the game just to have it on my HDD on ps4 for parties and stuff, but I feel like a few things still aren't clear.

1) Song transfer wise, what IS able to be moved over and when? RB1? RB2? Not RB3? The other games where you exported to 3? How will this work?

2) Instrument wise, are we sure the old instruments will work on ps4? I still have RB1 drums that work perfectly, various Guitar Hero guitars, etc.

Do we have solid information on this stuff yet? I see a lot of back and forth in the thread and just wanted to make sure before making the plunge.
 
Obviously, they can't do this with hardware now, but I would think that if they were thinking ahead, they could have put a button on the PS4 guitar to map to pressing the track pad, and had that turn on overdrive. And then people could have used the button remapping feature to change the share button to that.
 
Is there anywhere you guys could think of to get unused track pack codes? The store I work at doesn't have any of the track packs in stock and I'm trying to get as many songs as possible for launch day.
 
my biggest disappointment so far for this game has to be that the guitar still has the mushy-strumming bar (if the rumors are true). I was really hoping for a nice mix between the GH2 360 guitar and the beatles one. It's so fucking hard to do proper strumming when you don't feel any 'click'. I get that it's better quieter but there's no feedback on when your strum registers.
 
Do they even have leaderboards (yet)? Or is that the multiplayer/social thing they're adding for the first patch?
Yes, they will have leaderboards.

Is there anywhere you guys could think of to get unused track pack codes? The store I work at doesn't have any of the track packs in stock and I'm trying to get as many songs as possible for launch day.
Ebay.

my biggest disappointment so far for this game has to be that the guitar still has the mushy-strumming bar (if the rumors are true). I was really hoping for a nice mix between the GH2 360 guitar and the beatles one. It's so fucking hard to do proper strumming when you don't feel any 'click'. I get that it's better quieter but there's no feedback on when your strum registers.
I'm glad that they are still mushy because I cannot stand the loud click from guitar hero guitars. It drowns out the music and annoys both me and my friends. It actually kills my immersion too since it is distracting. I got used to the RB controllers pretty quick and I can't go back to GH guitars.
 
Okay, I kinda want the game just to have it on my HDD on ps4 for parties and stuff, but I feel like a few things still aren't clear.

1) Song transfer wise, what IS able to be moved over and when? RB1? RB2? Not RB3? The other games where you exported to 3? How will this work?

2) Instrument wise, are we sure the old instruments will work on ps4? I still have RB1 drums that work perfectly, various Guitar Hero guitars, etc.

Do we have solid information on this stuff yet? I see a lot of back and forth in the thread and just wanted to make sure before making the plunge.

1) You pretty much got it. You will have to redownload on your PS4 using the same account.

2) Wired instruments besides standard USB mics are not compatible. Most wireless PS3 instruments (the big exceptions are Ions, pro guitars and basses, and the Warriors of Rock guitar) will work fine with no additional hardware.

I guess the real question is: will there be another rock band community thread on the level of the old one? ;)

I hope. I want to be a part of a Gaf legend.
 
I don't even remember what happened before that got it 'shut down'. All I remember was most of the thread moved to new forums, but I got too lazy to keep up two websites ;(

Wait, there was some sort of Rock Band GAF drama that resulted in a shut down? Oh man what did I miss?
 
Rock Band 1 Export Key - 5$
Xbox | Playstation
This will give you 54 songs compatible with Rock Band 4. You do not need the Rock Band 1 disc; this key will become a digital download on your One and PS4.
Value: 10 cents per song

I still don't really get this. So coming from 360 to PS4, I don't even need a RB1 PS3 disc to "export" all the songs. Buying the key right now from PSN is all I had to do? Cause that seems awfully convenient.
 
I don't even remember what happened before that got it 'shut down'. All I remember was most of the thread moved to new forums, but I got too lazy to keep up two websites ;(

It was considered too insular. But let's not pursue that any further and get this locked.
 
Wait, there was some sort of Rock Band GAF drama that resulted in a shut down? Oh man what did I miss?
Didn't it have something to do with the fact that everybody kept going on about certain bands? I remember there being a ton of bans before finally shitting down the entire thread.

I also remember when we used to have these "Welcome juniors" threads and this one guy came in, shouted "Rock Band GAF forever!" or something like that and got banned almost immediately.
 
I don't think Harmonix ever negotiated disc export rights at the same time they licensed for the disc.


Also, I'm about to play RB3 with a buddy. come watch!

www.twitch.tv/hedgey

I still don't really get this. So coming from 360 to PS4, I don't even need a RB1 PS3 disc to "export" all the songs. Buying the key right now from PSN is all I had to do? Cause that seems awfully convenient.


yes, that's all you have to do. but you should do it now,not later
 
I still don't really get this. So coming from 360 to PS4, I don't even need a RB1 PS3 disc to "export" all the songs. Buying the key right now from PSN is all I had to do? Cause that seems awfully convenient.

When you buy the key, you own the licenses. You need the RB1 disc to export the song files to your hard drive for use in RB2 and RB3. RB4 however will not have access to the disc as a result of the PS4 lacking BC. It is assumed then that you will be able to download the songs from RB4, circumventing the need for the RB1 disc.
 
So basically the plan of still using my RB1 drums is dead?

Pretty much.

Guitar Hero Live is pretty good. Guitar Hero TV and the reasons for the new button configuration are pretty shifty, but as far as I played it the game itself is fine.

Hell, GHTV is fine in theory, it's just the complete lack of ownership even by digital standards turns me off. I'd be down with a GHTV-like system for Rock Band if paying for songs still meant we downloaded them to our hard drives.
 
So I just purchased and download the Rock Band 1 Export Key. I fired up a copy of Rock Band 3 and the songs aren't there. Any idea of what happened? Do the Rock Band 1 songs even work in 3?
 
So I just purchased and download the Rock Band 1 Export Key. I fired up a copy of Rock Band 3 and the songs aren't there. Any idea of what happened? Do the Rock Band 1 songs even work in 3?

You need the actual disc to get the songs. Come This Friday they should be downloadable on the Xbox one to get your library ready. On the 360 though they actually ripped the songs onto the HDD
 
So I just purchased and download the Rock Band 1 Export Key. I fired up a copy of Rock Band 3 and the songs aren't there. Any idea of what happened? Do the Rock Band 1 songs even work in 3?
You need the RB1 disc to export the songs for RB2/3 because of how it exports the songs. However you won't need the disc to play the songs in RB4.
 
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