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SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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I still like "The Argentina of Grapefruits."
The part I quoted is from Skull Face's profile, which starts at the bottom of pg. 341.I actually have the guide just haven't read that part yet.
Is it all included in the giant timeline portion?
The guidebook for this game is incredible, up there with the Bloodborne guide as being among the best I own (and I own a lot of guides).
This comparison is super flawed.
It would only make sense if MGS2 had been released after MGS4, so when Ocelot takes Ray, you know it will end with both Metal Gears fighting in Alaska.
We played MGS1 so we know
-Liquid and Mantis survive
-With no english language parasites
-They have no Sahelanthropus
The only tension they could have extracted out of it is if they had killed Big Boss. Which would have been possible for them, seeing as there are two of them going around.
But alas, by the time of Mission 51 we probably already knew Venom is going to die in Outer Heaven, and that OG Big Boss will die in Zanzibarland and then in MGS4.
So sure, it is a plot point dangling, but one we know has to be resolved one very specific way without further damage to all involved.
Okay this makes sense.
He found the approximate location due to Mantis, knowing that a strong emotion like revenge triggers him. He would have checked the location out regardless out of curiosity to find out what triggered Mantis.
So he looked into the area and discovered that there were Cipher agents there etc. for the past nine years and made his move.
Exactly.
On a side note, the hospital attack is so horrifying that it's one of the few times I've actually felt something like hate for the enemies in a videogame.
I want an alternate reality version of the prologue where I get to kick everyone's ass, lol.
This. Nothing better represents this game than the bizarrely repeated OT.
We need an MGS6 to combine all of the repetition of past installments into one conversation.
"The enemies have a Metal Gear."
"A Metal Gear??"
"Yeah, controlled by nanomachines."
"Nanomachines??"
"Yeah, small like metallic archaea."
"Metallica archaea??"
Too true.
Though the Chico tapes from GZ probably had a stronger effect on me, felt so damn bad for Paz.
People complain Big Boss doesn't say anything during the jeep travel, but imagine it with Snake trademark questioning? It'd last so long Skull Face would take you to the Africa area.
Not to mention that Skull Face name drops a lot of central things in MGS, including Philanthropy's motto, which is super weird.
I'll give you a page count in a sec. But I can tell you right now it's a substantial chunk of the book dedicated to story.
Stereogatari
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It has a decent amount of story and art. The walkthrough itself is worth it considering how much variety there is in gameplay.
If you are from UK get it from GAME. Their cover is Shinkawa art.
Red Blaster
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we've managed to avoid drowning?
Stereogatari
Banned
Get it from GAME. They have the best cover art.Awesome, think I'll order it then.
Thanks
I'm in Canada -_-
Basically no story in the walkthrough part. Everything is in the back. And even there one secret is not talked about.
KOMANI
KOMANI
No, it's not.
It's ponderous how much gameplay has evolved and how much writing/story has gotten worse as we progress through the series.
Eh, its not quite the same thing. That questioning-repetition, while bad, isn't quite on the same level. MGS V has more bizarrely duplicated dialogue than ever before - its really like the characters can't remember what they just said.
And thats before we get to BOSS GET DOWN.
Stereogatari
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Oh dang it. If you care about the cover art then they do ship internationally. So up to you.
SKULL FACER
"Such a lust
With darkness and Quiet through the night
Such a lust
W-w-who, whooo, who, who who, w-w-whooo"
And then later:
"Some days, you feel a phantom pain
Some days, you Diné a Ful-ton"
(OK, that last bit doesn't make much sense)
Get_craycray
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Snake? Snake?! Snaaaaaaaake!!!
So is there any reason Venom finds out about THE TRUTH.
Or the hypnosis just wears off after a while.
I think he was in until the end. He is angry because Big Boss sent him a tape saying "YOU ARE BIG BOSS TOO. WE BIG BROS GOTTA STAY TOGETHER. By the way, I sent you another commando guy, this is the newbiest guy I have, he is Eli's brother, remember him? But Solid is waaay more relaxed and mellow. You should have no problem capturing him and informing him of our plan like you did with Gray Fox, kthnx bye BIG BROS FOREVER"
And then Solid is cutting through Outer Heaven like a hot knife through hot butter.
I think a big part of it is the way the voice acting changed to accommodate Sutherland or whatever the hell happened there.
Or the hypnosis just wears off after a while.
I think he was in until the end. He is angry because Big Boss sent him a tape saying "YOU ARE BIG BOSS TOO. WE BIG BROS GOTTA STAY TOGETHER. By the way, I sent you another commando guy, this is the newbiest guy I have, he is Eli's brother, remember him? But Solid is waaay more relaxed and mellow. You should have no problem capturing him and informing him of our plan like you did with Gray Fox, kthnx bye BIG BROS FOREVER"
And then Solid is cutting through Outer Heaven like a hot knife through hot butter.
I think a big part of it is the way the voice acting changed to accommodate Sutherland or whatever the hell happened there.
I just counted and there are nearly 40 pages of pure story exploration, including a detailed timeline of the entire series and profiles for all of the key characters (i.e. The Boss, etc). And this is followed by an extensive art gallery with notes from Kojima. Even if you're not interested in the game part of the guide, it's worth it. Also, the game part of the guide is great -- tons of reference material for all of the detailed stats, etc, that go into everything. Like how every boss has different damage multipliers for every part of their body.Awesome, think I'll order it then.
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Nintendoga
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Thanks!
KOMANI
KOMANI
There's a story there that we'll never know. The only former employee from Kojipro that's said anything is Shinta Nojiri.
Kojima' phantom left and the real Hideo Kojima tried to create more stories based on his legacy.
One of the worst casualties of Sutherland is the first meeting with Skull Face in ep 6. Skull Face, the main bad guy, is barely inches from his face and he doesn't say a word.
Given that the vast majority of Sutherland's dialogue happens when Venom's mouth is conveniently off-camera, its pretty evident his casting greatly restricted the dialogue.
Zero and Strangelove are behind the AI.
Nintendoga
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Fake boss is Venom Snake, he was the one Snake killed in Outer Heaven in MG1. The Real Big Boss spent the time between TPP and MG2 building Zanzibar Land. Snake kills him in MG2. Real Big Boss doesn't come back till MGS4.
Also look up MGSV episode 51 on YouTube if you want to see the cut episode resolving Eli's story.
Red Blaster
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it was my understanding that tomokazu fukushima was largely responsible for the codec scripting while kojima handled the main story.
If he is killed in MG2; then how was he standing at the end of MGS4 again? Its been awhile since I played MGS4 so I cant fully remember.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Oh wow there was definitely going to be more to this wasn't there.
Also I just realized how all the flowers surrounding big boss' side are the same kind as the white flowers from the fight against The Boss in MGS3.
Further proof early on that we weren't Big Boss.
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To be fair BB doesn't say anything when Volgin explains the Philosopher's legacy, either. Though that seems less awkward because it cuts to a slideshow instead of showing the characters.
KOMANI
KOMANI
That's partially true. Fukushima handled A LOT of the research that went the story like military operations, Alaskan Olympics, nuclear war... I mean he researched EVERYTHING. Blaustein was amazed how much shit they got right when he had to do his own research.
White Star of Bethlehem. Very pretty flowers.
I never thought I'd miss the slideshows. They were painfully awkward and pace-halting, but nowhere near as catastrophic as that jeep ride. The woeful misuse of Sins of the Father is starting to seem more and more like an intentional admission of guilt...
Imo it's so the player can see BB's silhouette if he looks in that direction.
Instead of faking it they had BB go through the full appropriate animation.
Yeah, nice detail.
Nintendoga
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The Patriots collected his remains at the end of MG2 and kept in him a brain dead coma, to preserve his body as an icon.
Then Eva stole back his body from them and had his body rebuilt using Liquid and Solidus' bodies. After the Patriots fell he woke up and found Zero's hiding place and took him to see Snake.
You just know Volgin had a soldier bring in a big ass soviet projector and his Philosopher Legacy slides just for this.
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