SPOILER: Metal Gear Solid V Spoiler Thread | Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO

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Neiteio said:
I don't think Alienous is taking issue with that particular explanation, so much as saying that Kojima put himself in a difficult situation by creating a series that feels the need to explain everything, no matter how outlandish.
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That was the biggest problem with MGS4 but imo he struck a good balance in MGSV.

A good number of things are explained and yet at the same time there is much to discuss and speculate about.
 
Alienous said:
The attempted rape scene is garbage.

It's a character being depowered because reasons and defending herself against being raped by conveniently getting her super powers back and super kicking and stabbing her would be rapists, then a shot of her boobs.

Like every other theme in this game it is handled with the nuance and consideration of a 9 year old.
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Yup. The worst scene in the game.
 
BadWolf said:
That was the biggest problem with MGS4 but imo he struck a good balance in MGSV.

A good number of things are explained and yet at the same time there is much to discuss and speculate about.
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Agreed. I like the balance in MGSV. Especially how they manage to avoid interrupting the gameplay with forced slideshows and codec calls. You still get your crazy explanations, but they're neatly organized into cassettes you can conveniently listen to on your own terms.
 
MMarston said:
Of course it is.


Doesn't change the fact I felt like covering my crotch a bit watching that.
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The degree to which it's abstracted actually removes that for me. The sound effects combined with the thick, juicy splatter remind me of more of pomegranates than anything fleshier.

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akidnamededdy said:
Hahah yeah remember when they were about to rape her strangled corpse but she woke up and smashed that one guy's testicles

and bit off that dude's ear

and stabbed a guy in the dick like a hundred times

laff and a haff right there.
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The actual events are violent; and the concept of wartime rape isn't really instant comedy; but the cartoonish excess it's shot with deliberately takes it out of that territory. It's like how Kill Bill's Bride being sexually assaulted while comatose and committing varied and creative mutilations didn't prevent her gratuitous acts of revenge from being portrayed through a heavily stylised, exploitation-movie lens.
 
...why was she wearing clothes in that scene in the first place? She certainly didn't put them on herself, and there's no way the people who captured her would've known that she breathes through her skin. So they caught her, then dressed her, then undressed her to try to rape her?
 
Neiteio said:
Agreed. I like the balance in MGSV. Especially how they manage to avoid interrupting the gameplay with forced slideshows and codec calls. You still get your crazy explanations, but they're neatly organized into cassettes you can conveniently listen to on your own terms.
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Very true, the game flows much better now between story and gameplay.

Whoever came up with the tapes idea in Peace Walker solved their long cutscenes problem.

wiibomb said:
don't quote him, try to ignore it, it is constant loop
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Yeah you're right, my bad.
 
akidnamededdy said:
...why was she wearing clothes in that scene in the first place? She certainly didn't put them on herself, and there's no way the people who captured her would've known that she breathes through her skin. So they caught her, then dressed her, then undressed her to try to rape her?
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Standard protocol. Every soviet prisoner you rescue is dressed the same way.
 
Edzi said:
Don't quote him? Why? So the thread can turn into "Neiteio-and-friends talking about how great everything is"?

He's bringing up valid points, why not discuss it?
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Hey, I have my complaints about the game, too, and I never told anyone to stop talking. I like a vibrant discussion with many viewpoints.
 
Edzi said:
Don't quote him? Why? So the thread can turn into "Neiteio-and-friends talking about how great everything is"?

He's bringing up valid points, why not discuss it?
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I'm one of the bigger fans of the game in this thread it seems. But I can agree, the rape scene is easily deplorable and one of the worst parts of the game. I don't like the whole attitude of "don't quote him" either.
 
guess I should clarify, I said "don't quote him" specifically to BadWolf who didn't like the direction of the discussion, as if "if you don't like it, don't quote it, it will bring more the discussion"

that is all, I personally think the scene was alright, not excellent, not bad either, I feel she wanted to die, but not to be raped before that, then when there was rape, she just lost it lol

EDIT: besides that, there was never more than a attempt to rape her
 
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Something else problematic about the Quiet rape scene is, even if you look at the violence in terms of, "Wow, what a strong woman defending herself like that," she still emerges from the shed with the camera zoomed in on her boobs, before zooming out as though saying, "Oh, right, right, she's a human being, she has a face."

Someone should gif that part.
 
Just curious, Is it ever explained in PW or MGSV why or how Benedict Kazuhira Miller becomes McDonnell Miller in MGS1? Was watching some Metal Gear Scanlon from the beginning and I was reminded that he seems to have had a different first name in MGS1.
 
Neiteio said:
Something else problematic about the Quiet rape scene is, even if you look at the violence in terms of, "Wow, what a strong woman defending herself like that," she still emerges from the shed with the camera zoomed in our her boobs, before zooming out as though saying, "Oh, right, right, she's a human being, she has a face."

Someone should gif that part.
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the constant and real complain I have about the game, the over sexualisation of Quite in general, I couldn't just ignore it because it was constatly throw in my face, I really hated it.

EDIT: and the boob bouncing mechanic, UUUUGH... such a lust for boobs!! WHOOOOOOOO
 
Inferno313 said:
Just curious, Is it ever explained in PW or MGSV why or how Benedict Kazuhira Miller becomes McDonnell Miller in MGS1? Was watching some Metal Gear Scanlon from the beginning and I was reminded that he seems to have had a different first name in MGS1.
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Miller was killed before the events of MSG1 (just before) and Liquid was impersonating him.
 
Inferno313 said:
Just curious, Is it ever explained in PW or MGSV why or how Benedict Kazuhira Miller becomes McDonnell Miller in MGS1? Was watching some Metal Gear Scanlon from the beginning and I was reminded that he seems to have had a different first name in MGS1.
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He opens a chain of burger restaurants called "McDonnell's" for the free advertisement by association and gets his name changed to avoid being sued.
 
Inferno313 said:
Just curious, Is it ever explained in PW or MGSV why or how Benedict Kazuhira Miller becomes McDonnell Miller in MGS1? Was watching some Metal Gear Scanlon from the beginning and I was reminded that he seems to have had a different first name in MGS1.
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McDonnell is probably the final name of his Hamburger chain. Kojima delivered.

Edit: beaten.
 
Alienous said:
The attempted rape scene is garbage.

It's a character being depowered because reasons and defending herself against being raped by conveniently getting her super powers back and super kicking and stabbing her would be rapists, then a shot of her boobs.

Like every other theme in this game it is handled with the nuance and consideration of a 9 year old.
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I still don't get why Quiet wouldn't pull an Old Snake and shoot herself to end the threat.

One of the tapes mention Eli was the one who got dumped, I thought David was supposed to be the inferior clone? Or am I remembering incorrectly.
 
I don't think I'm going to finish this game. I have no desire to play these old missions again, and the only new one available to me is another shitty tank mission. The plot has evaporated. Every time I turn the game on, it tells me all my MB teams have been leveled down because some fucks kidnapped my soldiers while I was away. All of the new weapons and equipment available to research take hours to complete, and none of them are really worth it because I've had a god-tier set-up since mid-game. I've been using the same shit ever since.

I'm not disappointed, either. I got a fantastic fifty hours out of this game. Looking past all the loose threads, everything through Chapter 1 is a 10/10 game. Unfortunately, there's the rest of it.
 
TheXbox said:
I don't think I'm going to finish this game. I have no desire to play these old missions again, and the only new one available to me is another shitty tank mission. The plot has evaporated. Every time I turn the game on, it tells me all my MB teams have been leveled down because some fucks kidnapped my soldiers while I was away. All of the new weapons and equipment available to research take hours to complete, and none of them are really worth it because I've had a god-tier set-up since mid-game. I've been using the same shit ever since.

I'm not disappointed, either. I got a fantastic fifty hours out of this game. Looking past all the loose threads, everything through Chapter 1 is a 10/10 game. Unfortunately, there's the rest of it.
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You literally don't even have to replay the old missions to get to the ending.
 
Johndoey said:
One of the tapes mention Eli was the one who got dumped, I thought David was supposed to be the inferior clone? Or am I remembering incorrectly.
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Eli doesn't know that he was the superior one, it was in MGS1.

TheXbox said:
I don't think I'm going to finish this game. I have no desire to play these old missions again, and the only new one available to me is another shitty tank mission.
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You don't need to.

Just listen to yellow tapes and do a few side ops for new story missions to appear in Chapter 2. The yellow side ops are also story related.
 
Neiteio said:
Something else problematic about the Quiet rape scene is, even if you look at the violence in terms of, "Wow, what a strong woman defending herself like that," she still emerges from the shed with the camera zoomed in on her boobs, before zooming out as though saying, "Oh, right, right, she's a human being, she has a face."

Someone should gif that part.
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The biggest issues I find with Quiet is that everything she does is sexualised because of what the camera focusses on. Ignoring how she is dressed or the reasons for it she could wear a bikini and not be sexualised (you know, like a person on a beach) but the camera takes every single opportunity it does to look at her boobs or ass.

Do something badass? BOOB FOCUS!
Something traumatic happening? BOOB FOCUS!
Playing in the rain with Big Boss which could be a touching moment of softness between two silent soldiers who know only to kill? BOOB AND ASS SHOT!

Plus all the ACC animations and the Shower scene...
 
Ketkat said:
You literally don't even have to replay the old missions to get to the ending.
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Yep. Just do all the important (yellow dotted) missions, side-ops, and tapes. If you don't have one currently, doing around 3 side-ops should unlock the next piece of story content.

If the "tank" mission you're on is Mission 45, then you're on the second to last mission, and the last traditional mission in the game.
 
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