Mattlikewhoa
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It does make it easier to point out the people to un-friend on there...
Alabama to stop issuing drivers licenses in counties w/75% black registered voters
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It does make it easier to point out the people to un-friend on there...
The fact that ANY are being closed down at all is problematic. That law CANNOT stay on the books if these are the conditions.
The state should not be in the business of putting unnecessary and unsolicited hurdles to perform my civic duty.
When you do find one, please let me know.
No, not civic duty. Your Civic RIGHT. Voting is a right.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
How are you determining they are targeting black areas?
Zoe
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They're not being closed. They're losing the examiners.
I am sorry, you are correct. My MOTHERFUCKING CIVIC RIGHT!
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I agree, having an entire County without an accessible DMV is a big problem if you are going to require ID to vote.
Zeyphersan
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People who feel like it's too much work to keep up in politics but don't want to admit that they're lazy assholes and try to seem political by saying things like "I don't vote, both parties are just the same"
I honestly thought I was unfriended with one of them, because he's a legit craaaaaaaaazy person. The other one I really didn't know was this loopy. He's now characterizing me saying the government should have all the burden in giving IDs as a handout. What the fuuuuuck.
Because they are?
Vicetrailia
Banned
Some people in Alabama are saying this while they have the privilege of going to a DMV right down the street, rather than to a whole new county.
Its downright evil, but is the backbone of privilege.
kittenbreath
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Voter ID laws are definitely racist, since they are intended to make voting difficult for groups who can not easily attain the needed identification, and all available data says that those groups are strongly correlated with race. You also have to look at the timing and see how many states passed these laws after Obama was elected.
The rationalization behind voter identification appears to be colorblind, but so did the rationalizations behind literacy tests and poll taxes. Nevertheless, they were aimed squarely at black voters.
CrushDance
Banned
And it almost always happens in conjunctions with other ways of limiting voting. Shortening voting hours, closing voting locations, cutting back on early voting days. Some people in battleground states were these things were done had to wait hours to vote. 8 + hrs in some places
Hell in the last election, the GOP gov of PA was on the record stating that voting suppression would give the state to Romeny.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Pretty sure the DMV is still there. The examiner isn't though. So for a first time drivers license you would have to go a bit further.
capitalCORN
Member
That is some surreal abuse of power. If the greater country do nothing to oppose this, it would be a crime as big as Jim Crow laws.
Kitschkraft
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Brooks
No surprise that people like him implement policies like this. It's a "war" so, this is justified as a "defense" against others attacks.
ok, looking at demographics of the 30 counties, which is hard when Baldwin, Escambia and St. Clair counties still have offices open, there appears to be ( going off of 2010 census info):
423,415 white people (68%)
194,860 non-white people (32%)
Being that Baldwin, Escambia and St. Clair counties still have open offices, it becomes too hard to figure out who is losing their coverage, so I thought about deducting the population of those counties, bringing the total down to about:
338358 white people (66%)
172622 non-white people (34%)
Montgomery County (the yellow star) had 2 offices, and still has both offices, but now moved all the Drivers ID to one building, and moving everything else into the other. So I don't know how to categorize this. The population of this county is 229,362 (138,764 Non-Whites-61%, 90,598 Whites-40%) and isn't included above.
Including everything above (Montgomery included), it's 514,013 white (61%) and 333,624 non-white (39%)
The racial breakdown of the state is 68% white, 32% non-white
Most of these people have the same problem. They're poor and don't live in the counties where most of the money goes towards. Jefferson, Mobile, Madison (Huntsville) and Tuscaloosa.
Finding out that another 4 counties apparently didn't already have driver's licences offices open (Lauderdale, Pike, Bullock, and Conecuh) is even stranger, especially when Lauderdale has about 90,000 people (county in the metro area of Florence, AL)
Those counties break down to 108,542 white people (73%) and 41,208 non-white people (28%)
It all sucks, and voting id laws are miserably stupid. Roll Tide Pawl
423,415 white people (68%)
194,860 non-white people (32%)
These are the counties affected. One's with yellow lines implies that the county still has an open office available (Baldwin has 2 of the 3, closing the bay minnette office, and the other 2 counties open offices are towards one side of the county). Black circles are counties that already didn't have driver's licence centers open.
Being that Baldwin, Escambia and St. Clair counties still have open offices, it becomes too hard to figure out who is losing their coverage, so I thought about deducting the population of those counties, bringing the total down to about:
338358 white people (66%)
172622 non-white people (34%)
Montgomery County (the yellow star) had 2 offices, and still has both offices, but now moved all the Drivers ID to one building, and moving everything else into the other. So I don't know how to categorize this. The population of this county is 229,362 (138,764 Non-Whites-61%, 90,598 Whites-40%) and isn't included above.
Including everything above (Montgomery included), it's 514,013 white (61%) and 333,624 non-white (39%)
The racial breakdown of the state is 68% white, 32% non-white
Most of these people have the same problem. They're poor and don't live in the counties where most of the money goes towards. Jefferson, Mobile, Madison (Huntsville) and Tuscaloosa.
Finding out that another 4 counties apparently didn't already have driver's licences offices open (Lauderdale, Pike, Bullock, and Conecuh) is even stranger, especially when Lauderdale has about 90,000 people (county in the metro area of Florence, AL)
Those counties break down to 108,542 white people (73%) and 41,208 non-white people (28%)
It all sucks, and voting id laws are miserably stupid. Roll Tide Pawl
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County w nw
baldwin 4856 3184
bibb 17369 5546
butler 11395 9552
chambers 20118 14097
cherokee 24091 1898
choctaw 7733 6126
clay 11382 2550
cleburne 14073 899
coosa 7650 3889
crenshaw 10087 3578
escambia 17465 10660
fayette 14985 2256
franklin 26314 5390
geneva 23119 3671
greene 1573 7472
hale 6272 9488
henry 11869 5433
lamar 12705 1859
lawrence 26647 7692
lowndes 2858 8441
macon 3325 18127
perry 3209 7382
pickens 11117 8629
st clair 62736 8394
sumter 3330 10433
talapoosa 29089 12527
washington 11515 6066
wilcox 3127 8543
winston 23406 1078
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Giving more money to law enforcement rather than the offices (such as having the district examiners rotate to each location) is suspect, but as long as the other ID services are still as readily available in every office, then I wouldn't claim that anybody's been disenfranchised.
It's about the journey
FalsettoVibe
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Exactly
RoadHazard
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Time to split the US into two countries? One civilized one that belongs in the 21st century, and then the bigoted, racist, backwards rest can go fuck off.
But you already tried that, remember?
CrushDance
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If at first you don't secede....
Checkmate.
PhoenixDark
Banned
But Justice Roberts said there is no need for the Voting Rights Act in our modern, colorblind society!
Yup.
Trying to de fund women's health, and disenfranchising black people while a guy who calls immigrants rapists is leading in the polls for one party? Yup.
br0ken_shad0w
Member
But..but...voter fraud...
digita1alchemy
Member
So the affected demographics match up closely with the overall state demographics? Or did I misread this.
SuperBanana
Banned
Something tells me a lot of conservatives will be dead fucking silent over this because they know it can't be defending so they ignore it.
Fenderputty
Banned
They exist. They just normally don't show their faces until the midterms
No, they'll keep spouting voter fraud nonsense.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
they need to stop people from voting, obviously.
Byakuya769
Member
Judge Roberts - I see no use of hoses or police dogs, this merely reflects the fair and legitimate allocation of communal resources. We must legislate for racial relations as they are, not as they were.
freeofgreed
Member
Scummy as fuck. Alabama continuing to be a trash fucking state.
sooperkool
Member
Just so you guys that don't know the average size of a southern county, mine is 857 square miles. think of how far it could mean to travel to another one.
Kurt Angle
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the southern states make me ashamed to be an American
Andodalf
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As an Alabamian (I think that's the right word?) I have no doubt that this decision will highly and unfairly affect blacks and the poor, It also sucks for everybody to have so few offices for the whole state. Also the budget cut statement is legitimate, we're facing a massive budget shortfall and might even open up a lottery to try and combat the debt. We knew the Dmv was going to face budget cuts, and closing them in counties with low populations often means in high percentage black communities.
However I absolutely agree with the last line, the results are the same either intentional or not, and they should have found somewhere else to cut.
However I absolutely agree with the last line, the results are the same either intentional or not, and they should have found somewhere else to cut.
If you look at all the counties combined, sure. If you single out just the counties that are majority black or white, then of course the demographic breakdowns will skew. Best I can tell, there are 3 counties with 75%+ Non-White populations, and 12 counties with 75%+ white populations. 5 and 13 when looking at 70%.
But then, this is just on straight up population numbers. I need to see if I could find a voter population list or something.
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County w nw total w% nw%
baldwin* 4856 3184 8040 60.4% 39.6%
bibb 17369 5546 22915 75.8% 24.2%
butler 11395 9552 20947 54.4% 45.6%
chambers 20118 14097 34215 58.8% 41.2%
cherokee 24091 1898 25989 92.7% 7.3%
choctaw 7733 6126 13859 55.8% 44.2%
clay 11382 2550 13932 81.7% 18.3%
cleburne 14073 899 14972 94.0% 6.0%
coosa 7650 3889 11539 66.3% 33.7%
crenshaw 10087 3578 13665 73.8% 26.2%
escambia* 17465 10660 28125 62.1% 37.9%
fayette 14985 2256 17241 86.9% 13.1%
franklin 26314 5390 31704 83.0% 17.0%
geneva 23119 3671 26790 86.3% 13.7%
greene 1573 7472 9045 17.4% 82.6%
hale 6272 9488 15760 39.8% 60.2%
henry 11869 5433 17302 68.6% 31.4%
lamar 12705 1859 14564 87.2% 12.8%
lawrence 26647 7692 34339 77.6% 22.4%
lowndes 2858 8441 11299 25.3% 74.7%
macon 3325 18127 21452 15.5% 84.5%
perry 3209 7382 10591 30.3% 69.7%
pickens 11117 8629 19746 56.3% 43.7%
st clair* 62736 8394 71130 88.2% 11.8%
sumter 3330 10433 13763 24.2% 75.8%
talapoosa 29089 12527 41616 69.9% 30.1%
washington 11515 6066 17581 65.5% 34.5%
wilcox 3127 8543 11670 26.8% 73.2%
winston 23406 1078 24484 95.6% 4.4%
montgomery 90598 138764 229362 39.5% 60.5%
conecuh 6785 6443 13228 51.3% 48.7%
pike 19147 13752 32899 58.2% 41.8%
bullock 2510 8404 10914 23.0% 77.0%
Lauderdale 80100 12609 92709 86.4% 13.6%* are counties that had multiple offices and still have available ones, and who knows how that breaks out.
Montgomery still has both offices, but really just moved all the driver's ID to 1 instead of both
Last 4 apparently already didn't have offices, going by this list
Jawbreaker
Member
Ask them how they feel about absentee ballots. The type of fraud these voter ID laws purport to stop is almost non-existent, meanwhile most states where it's in effect in some way neglect absentee ballots, which account for a much higher rate of fraud. It's pretty obvious that voter ID laws are favored because they hurt Democrats disproportionately. Like, I've heard it come straight from the horse's mouth.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Not saying I agree with anything but these cuts and closures have been happening continuously for the last few years.
Its not something that just poped up after that law was passed.
The Homewood courthouse which was like the most active in the Birmingham(Jefferson County) region was just closed like 2-3 years ago with a few others,
now I think the one most of those people go to is in Shelby County.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Is this a trick question?
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