Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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De-mon said:
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I hope that picture makes it into the mainstream news (it won't). What the hell.
 
Moofers said:
It is insane. Things are starting to feel like they are reaching a boiling point in this country. I have no idea why the number of mass shootings is so high in the last handful of years, but its scary.

That said, I want to be able to own a gun for a few important reasons:

- When shit gets bad and we have riots because there is not enough food or water, I want a way to protect my family. When you have pissed off looters at the door, a baseball bat isn't going to be enough. Prowlers in the night don't concern me as much as a state of emergency where the general public is rattled and partially out of control. Things like the drought in California this year have me a little scared to be honest. Imagine if that's just the tip of the iceberg, how bad can things get?

- The government may need to be challenged one day. I don't see me owning a handgun being the thing that turns the tide and "wins us our freedoms back!" but I don't want to be helpless if things ever take an ugly turn. I realize I'm vastly underpowered but I don't want to be completely helpless.

- I want to be able to hunt for food someday. I think its a valuable life skill and its something I would like to be able to get some experience with. So far I don't, but I'm looking to change that.

Shootings are awful, awful business. I don't know what to do other than tighten up security in public places somehow or at least pass some laws to make the acquisition of a gun a more carefully examined process, but I sure as hell don't want them banned altogether. I believe that genie is out of the bottle and there's no way to collect all the guns out there.



Thank you. There are so many decent people out there who own guns and that is never talked about. Gun owners just get stereotyped as loud-mouthed republican a-holes who drive trucks and have a beef with homosexuals. Its like saying all videogamers are overweight, cheeto-scarfing, mtn dew chugging, zit-faced introverts. If that image can change, I think the image of a gun owner should as well.
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You forgot about needing one for when the Zombie apocalypse happens or aliens invade. What a load of paranoid nonsense

Another sad avoidable incident, sort out the gun problem America.
 
Moofers said:
- When shit gets bad and we have riots because there is not enough food or water, I want a way to protect my family. When you have pissed off looters at the door, a baseball bat isn't going to be enough. Prowlers in the night don't concern me as much as a state of emergency where the general public is rattled and partially out of control. Things like the drought in California this year have me a little scared to be honest. Imagine if that's just the tip of the iceberg, how bad can things get?

- The government may need to be challenged one day. I don't see me owning a handgun being the thing that turns the tide and "wins us our freedoms back!" but I don't want to be helpless if things ever take an ugly turn. I realize I'm vastly underpowered but I don't want to be completely helpless.
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What in the flying fuck are you talking about?

I'm not american nor (very) liberal, but... what in the flying fuck?
 
Gorger said:
Well I understand, but I would have forwarded it to the authorities or tried to do something, maybe they could have tracked the IP and found a better location of the threat. I don't dwell on 4chan so I don't fully understand the depravity of the site, but it can't be good if threats of school shootings is considered the norm. The replies he got was absolutely disgusting.
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hi what's a proxy

and the authorities would shrug their shoulders, they probably don't even know what a 4chan is and "the northwest" is about as vague as possible.

If that actually produced some kind of lockdown or heightened security situation you can be your ass it would be reposted every single day but they'd just change the cardinal direction.
 
So sad to say it basically is just another Thursday in the States... another 40 or so people will die today because of gun fire...
 
Moofers said:
It is insane. Things are starting to feel like they are reaching a boiling point in this country. I have no idea why the number of mass shootings is so high in the last handful of years, but its scary.

That said, I want to be able to own a gun for a few important reasons:

- When shit gets bad and we have riots because there is not enough food or water, I want a way to protect my family. When you have pissed off looters at the door, a baseball bat isn't going to be enough. Prowlers in the night don't concern me as much as a state of emergency where the general public is rattled and partially out of control. Things like the drought in California this year have me a little scared to be honest. Imagine if that's just the tip of the iceberg, how bad can things get?

- The government may need to be challenged one day. I don't see me owning a handgun being the thing that turns the tide and "wins us our freedoms back!" but I don't want to be helpless if things ever take an ugly turn. I realize I'm vastly underpowered but I don't want to be completely helpless.

- I want to be able to hunt for food someday. I think its a valuable life skill and its something I would like to be able to get some experience with. So far I don't, but I'm looking to change that.

Shootings are awful, awful business. I don't know what to do other than tighten up security in public places somehow or at least pass some laws to make the acquisition of a gun a more carefully examined process, but I sure as hell don't want them banned altogether. I believe that genie is out of the bottle and there's no way to collect all the guns out there.



Thank you. There are so many decent people out there who own guns and that is never talked about. Gun owners just get stereotyped as loud-mouthed republican a-holes who drive trucks and have a beef with homosexuals. Its like saying all videogamers are overweight, cheeto-scarfing, mtn dew chugging, zit-faced introverts. If that image can change, I think the image of a gun owner should as well.
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this is terrifying.

what is it like to live in constant fear?
 
Sephzilla said:
Police: "What's the emergency"

You: "Someone on 4chan said to not go to school in the Northewest tomorrow"

Police: "..."
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That's not how that works at all. There have been many times where people have threatened this kind of thing on 4chan and had it end with a serious investigation.

That happened to my old high school, for example.
 
Moofers said:
It is insane. Things are starting to feel like they are reaching a boiling point in this country. I have no idea why the number of mass shootings is so high in the last handful of years, but its scary.

That said, I want to be able to own a gun for a few important reasons:

- When shit gets bad and we have riots because there is not enough food or water, I want a way to protect my family. When you have pissed off looters at the door, a baseball bat isn't going to be enough. Prowlers in the night don't concern me as much as a state of emergency where the general public is rattled and partially out of control. Things like the drought in California this year have me a little scared to be honest. Imagine if that's just the tip of the iceberg, how bad can things get?

- The government may need to be challenged one day. I don't see me owning a handgun being the thing that turns the tide and "wins us our freedoms back!" but I don't want to be helpless if things ever take an ugly turn. I realize I'm vastly underpowered but I don't want to be completely helpless.

- I want to be able to hunt for food someday. I think its a valuable life skill and its something I would like to be able to get some experience with. So far I don't, but I'm looking to change that.

Shootings are awful, awful business. I don't know what to do other than tighten up security in public places somehow or at least pass some laws to make the acquisition of a gun a more carefully examined process, but I sure as hell don't want them banned altogether. I believe that genie is out of the bottle and there's no way to collect all the guns out there.



Thank you. There are so many decent people out there who own guns and that is never talked about. Gun owners just get stereotyped as loud-mouthed republican a-holes who drive trucks and have a beef with homosexuals. Its like saying all videogamers are overweight, cheeto-scarfing, mtn dew chugging, zit-faced introverts. If that image can change, I think the image of a gun owner should as well.
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This is the best disguised anti-gun argument I've seen on GAF. Great satire friend.
 
_woLf said:
That's not how that works at all. There have been many times where people have threatened this kind of thing on 4chan and had it end with a serious investigation.

That happened to my old high school, for example.
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Wow, really? I legitimately did not know this.
 
Veritigo_X said:
The fact that there's a good portion of the country that is thinking this as well is literally insane.
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I used to be of this mentality as well, until it was revealed that the government has secretly created and continues to build a surveillance system a million times scarier and more powerful than the shit in 1984 and then I second guessed myself.
 
d0hv said:
No just because there are deranged idiots in this world, doesn't mean they need to infringe our right to bear arms for us law abiding citizens.
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The shooters in these cases are generally good ol' law abiding citizens up until the point that they aren't any longer.
 
Moofers said:
Welp, I knew that was coming. I guess I'll just keep my thoughts to myself on this stuff from here out.
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Don't be afraid to be challenged by alternative modes of thought, don't be a coward. People will disagree with you but as long as you have a firm grasp on reality and a firm conviction of belief no one will hate you or, if they do, they're not worthy of notice.

All of that said, I vehemently disagree with you.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
From the information given who exactly would you report it to?
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Makes me wonder why we don't have some kind of online agency that people can report things like that too and they can then be investigated. Cyber Crimes and Prevention with a go to website.

Also if it turns out that 9chan post was really from the killer the people posting and egging him on should be arrested.
 
De-mon said:
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The hell man. The media don't give a crap of her safety only the story.

Can you get to a safe spot and record for us? Can you call us and give away your safe position for our story? Can you forget about your safety and give us exclusivity for our story?

Damerman said:
this is the best avenue for compromise i think... how has it not gone further?

do you have a name for the technology or a source where i can read about it?
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They are called smart guns. There are many version and different developers. Some require a passcode, some your fingerprint, others your palm and fingerprint, and some for you to have a ring/bracelet in close proximity for the firearm to fire. Maybe they will become more popular if they get safer, as in less likely to fail or to disable by a third party.
 
Moofers said:
Welp, I knew that was coming. I guess I'll just keep my thoughts to myself on this stuff from here out.
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Speak your mind. You shouldn't be afraid to have a debate with people here just because it's not the popular opinion. I don't entirely agree with you but I respect you for saying what you think. Don't let people being dickheads to you about your opinion deter you from that. We can't debate this issue if one side refuses to speak their mind for fear of being ridiculed by the majority.
 
marrec said:
I mean, there's no other way to frame it at this point.

"Oh, someone used a gun to kill lots of people at the same time again? Shame."
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My beef with it is that in a thread of people who are grief stricken, concerned about what happened, and actively talking about how they want gun control laws to change in this country, you get a guy doing a drive-by shitpost about how no one here really cares all that much.
 
De-mon said:
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Not to divert focus away from the pertinent details of the shooting itself, but this is what news producers are supposed to do. The fact you can see it now on twitter doesn't change the basic facts that producers are supposed to get people who were on site, and interview them for details regarding the story they're reporting on. In the past this would be done via phone call probably, or (most preferably) on site, but in 2015, when everyone's a member of some social network or another, this is going to become a much more common occurrence.

Twitter makes this process more public than its ever been, of course, but this is what they're supposed to be doing.
 
Amory said:
I used to be of this mentality as well, until it was revealed that the government has secretly created and continues to build a surveillance system a million times scarier and more powerful than the shit in 1984 and then I second guessed myself.
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the government doesn't need to really do all that much work when the general public has so graciously divulged nearly all information to companies for free shit or simply willingly on social media.

Big Brother is society at this point, the idea of 1984 is an outdated concept to be afraid of.
 
_woLf said:
That's not how that works at all. There have been many times where people have threatened this kind of thing on 4chan and had it end with a serious investigation.

That happened to my old high school, for example.
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Considering it happened at your specific high school, I'm guessing the threat was more specific than this.

You wouldn't even know what police department to notify.
 
According to this list from 2012, this campus is one of 206 that allow concealed carry.

edit: Apparently this changed a couple of years back, and they no longer allow it:

riotous said:
Umpqua and all other non-Private colleges ended the concealed carry thing a couple years back.

A law briefly allowed it IIRC.

You can search for "gun site:umpqua.edu" and see the google cache of their safety policy; it says no weapons allowed.
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The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: Oregon State Police Lt. Bill Fugate tells KATU-TV at least 7 dead, 20 hurt in college shooting.
 
Arkeband said:
hi what's a proxy

and the authorities would shrug their shoulders, they probably don't even know what a 4chan is and "the northwest" is about as vague as possible.

If that actually produced some kind of lockdown or heightened security situation you can be your ass it would be reposted every single day but they'd just change the cardinal direction.
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Have you any idea how many shootings have been prevented because the gunman fucks up exposing themselves online? What do you lose by reporting it in?
 
I went to school here, hope it wasn't anyone I know.

There was also a shooting at the highschool there back in 2005 while I was on campus. It was a specific target thing though, nothing like this.

It's a very small town Republican place, very gun toting.
 
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