Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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Arkeband said:
Oh, like better gun control so psychopath angsty 20 year old maladjusted basement dwellers don't have the easiest time in the world procuring tools with which they can dispatch dozens of people at a distance?
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I'n not talking about hangups or social causes that actually pertain to the issue at hand, like gun control or mental illness. Those are obviously fine to bring up.
 
Afrodium said:
This is disgusting. I'm sick of this shit constantly happening. This isn't normal. Nothing is being done to stop this.
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Stuff is being done, but it's not enough. Bad people in positions of power and influence are winning the war on guns. I don't know what it would take to change that.
 
Ihyll said:
Is the right to own guns included in the Australian constitution?
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So what if it is. It's an amendment. It means it can be amended or changed. It's the reason why the US no longer has prohibition. The founding father's saw the Constitution as a living document and made them amendments to be able to change things if needed. They didn't have high powered assault rifles, handguns with enough bullets to take out a room full of people before you needed to reload or automatic shotguns. They had muskets. This is a real issue and American politicians and citizens need to do something about it. Otherwise every few months we'll just going through the same thing over and over
 
I don't go on r9k much but those Reddits someone mentioned disturb me much more than 4Chan stuff. I mean even on /b/, I always take everything posted there with a grain of salt, like it seems pretty ironised to me. Although I can see someone checking in today for the first time being quite unnerved by the whole thing, I guess I could just be so familiar with the place that I'm used to everything that goes on. Like there's a ''check the news'' thread up every couple of days filled with bullshit from all sides. On the Reddits it comes across like these dudes are super serious about everything and irony deficient.

Anyway another sad day, I feel Obama will go hard in his address... or maybe just be depressed again.
 
Well, if masculinity does have something to do with this, it's less because of actual modern western culture (talking socially here, not per the gun law discussion) and more because isolated people on niche internet forums socially subsist on micro-culture echo chambers. Faceless commiseration and one-upmanship between liars becomes a replacement for honest understanding between fellow sufferers. Eventually this co-dependence leads to people believing they are at least special snowflakes -somewhere-, and the world outside is the problem.

The greatest delusion anyone can carry through life is the one that people you see out in the real world who are smiling and holding hands or whatever are doing it because they live a better life than you. The majority of humanity don't smile at one another because life's great and everyone accepts them and loves them for who they are, they smile at each other because they've lived enough to understand life is about shoveling your own shit and trying to survive while doing it.
 
Moofers said:
It is insane. Things are starting to feel like they are reaching a boiling point in this country. I have no idea why the number of mass shootings is so high in the last handful of years, but its scary.

That said, I want to be able to own a gun for a few important reasons:

- When shit gets bad and we have riots because there is not enough food or water, I want a way to protect my family. When you have pissed off looters at the door, a baseball bat isn't going to be enough. Prowlers in the night don't concern me as much as a state of emergency where the general public is rattled and partially out of control. Things like the drought in California this year have me a little scared to be honest. Imagine if that's just the tip of the iceberg, how bad can things get?

- The government may need to be challenged one day. I don't see me owning a handgun being the thing that turns the tide and "wins us our freedoms back!" but I don't want to be helpless if things ever take an ugly turn. I realize I'm vastly underpowered but I don't want to be completely helpless.

- I want to be able to hunt for food someday. I think its a valuable life skill and its something I would like to be able to get some experience with. So far I don't, but I'm looking to change that.

Shootings are awful, awful business. I don't know what to do other than tighten up security in public places somehow or at least pass some laws to make the acquisition of a gun a more carefully examined process, but I sure as hell don't want them banned altogether. I believe that genie is out of the bottle and there's no way to collect all the guns out there.



Thank you. There are so many decent people out there who own guns and that is never talked about. Gun owners just get stereotyped as loud-mouthed republican a-holes who drive trucks and have a beef with homosexuals. Its like saying all videogamers are overweight, cheeto-scarfing, mtn dew chugging, zit-faced introverts. If that image can change, I think the image of a gun owner should as well.
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How nuts can you be holy fucking shit
 
When did laws change, what prompted the change. At some point people were able to open carry. I'm trying to imagine a American society where a cashier at Walmart has a Glock .45 on his/her hip as groceries and towels are being ringed up.
 
Moofers said:
It is insane. Things are starting to feel like they are reaching a boiling point in this country. I have no idea why the number of mass shootings is so high in the last handful of years, but its scary.

That said, I want to be able to own a gun for a few important reasons:

- When shit gets bad and we have riots because there is not enough food or water, I want a way to protect my family. When you have pissed off looters at the door, a baseball bat isn't going to be enough. Prowlers in the night don't concern me as much as a state of emergency where the general public is rattled and partially out of control. Things like the drought in California this year have me a little scared to be honest. Imagine if that's just the tip of the iceberg, how bad can things get?

- The government may need to be challenged one day. I don't see me owning a handgun being the thing that turns the tide and "wins us our freedoms back!" but I don't want to be helpless if things ever take an ugly turn. I realize I'm vastly underpowered but I don't want to be completely helpless.

- I want to be able to hunt for food someday. I think its a valuable life skill and its something I would like to be able to get some experience with. So far I don't, but I'm looking to change that.

Shootings are awful, awful business. I don't know what to do other than tighten up security in public places somehow or at least pass some laws to make the acquisition of a gun a more carefully examined process, but I sure as hell don't want them banned altogether. I believe that genie is out of the bottle and there's no way to collect all the guns out there.



Thank you. There are so many decent people out there who own guns and that is never talked about. Gun owners just get stereotyped as loud-mouthed republican a-holes who drive trucks and have a beef with homosexuals. Its like saying all videogamers are overweight, cheeto-scarfing, mtn dew chugging, zit-faced introverts. If that image can change, I think the image of a gun owner should as well.
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I can assure you that you're just crazy, none of that shit is going to happen.

Well, the hunting part is fine I guess.
 
WayneMorse said:
What crime are they committing?
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Pai Pai Master said:
They're not exactly doing anything illegal, as gross as it is.
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I begin to wonder how does society criminally deal with these people who knowingly egg on and encourage another to kill...

I would believe that in his mind he was going to do it 4chan notwithstanding, but its disgusting that the people who use that cesspool think its OK to suggest ideas or support it, ironically or not.

Really doesn't make me feel good about people.
 
Nils said:
There was a recent case where a guy tried to stop a carjacking, accidentally shot the victim in the head, removed the bullet casing from the scene and then ran.
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That happened in my city of houston. I posted about it but I mistakenly posted in the community forum. 'Good guy with gun' gone wrong. Everybody's a law abidin' citizen till they're not.

I'm all for repealing the 2nd ammendment.
 
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Africanus said:
Until stadiums of thousands of people are executed with a live recording by a person who amassed stockpiles of guns in a completely legal fashion, there will be no scenario, not even a rapid increase in mass murdering, that will have the slightest possibility to spark change in gun legislation.

All we can do is offer our condolences and sit idly by.
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My condolences for the dead and injured.
 
The most disturbing thing about the 4chan thing is that there are quite a few people with a similar mindset to the person who posted it.
 
DrForester said:
Still going to wait for a credible source.
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http://www.nytimes.com/live/shootin...-college/witness-shooter-asked-about-religion

Kortney Moore, 18, from Rogue River, Ore., was in her Writing 115 class at Snyder Hall when she heard a shot come through a window.

She told a local newspaper that she watched as her teacher was shot in the head. The gunman was inside the building at that point, she said, and was ordering people to get on the ground.

Ms. Moore said the the man asked people to stand up and state their religion, and then he began firing.

Ms. Moore said she was on the floor with people who had been shot.
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WayneMorse said:
What crime are they committing?
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To be deemed an accomplice, a person must assist in the commission of the crime by "aiding, counseling, commanding or encouraging" the principal in the commission of the criminal offense. Assistance can be either physical or psychological.
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It of course depends on whether we're talking state or federal charges (I'd think federal given the encouragement happened across state borders), but a reasonable case can be made that people knowingly encouraged a murder. The defense would obviously be that they thought he was kidding and therefore aren't responsible, but that would be for a jury to decide, and I wouldn't want to be one of the guys who encouraged and then later on praised the shootings.
 
y2dvd said:
So fucking tragic. Just tell me what to do to get the ban on guns rolling.
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Vote. And donate to organizations that advocate such actions. Check out Moms demand action and the Brady campaign. For all the chest thumping people do regarding hating guns they tend to do very little actual grass roots organizing.

You'll never get guns banned outright but demanding so in serious numbers would eventually lead to concessions in regards to policy.

But that won't happen because most people will pluck a keyboard against gun violence but don't actually do shit.

besada said:
It of course depends on whether we're talking state or federal charges (I'd think federal given the encouragement happened across state borders), but a reasonable case can be made that people knowingly encouraged a murder. The defense would obviously be that they thought he was kidding and therefore aren't responsible, but that would be for a jury to decide, and I wouldn't want to be one of the guys who encouraged and then later on praised the shootings.
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Isn't a young woman in hot shit because she encouraged her ex to kill himself?
 
WayneMorse said:
A post on 4chan = material support?

There's no way any charges against the posters could hold up if all they did was post "do it."
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People were giving strategy suggestions, ways to maximize kill-zones, armament selections, etc.

Arabs out here getting monitored for reposting videos...

Come on.
 
besada said:
It of course depends on whether we're talking state or federal charges (I'd think federal given the encouragement happened across state borders), but a reasonable case can be made that people knowingly encouraged a murder. The defense would obviously be that they thought he was kidding and therefore aren't responsible, but that would be for a jury to decide, and I wouldn't want to be one of the guys who encouraged and then later on praised the shootings.
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Would 4chan admin support the FBI if they come a knocking for IP addresses?
 
Hey Moofers, my uncle had a tanker car full of gasoline on his property in Mississippi apparently for "when the race war starts", you can have it if you can find it
 
Sanjuro said:
I believe so, but the shooter wouldn't have been old enough to obtain such permit.
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I don't think that was the intent of that tweet, however. It was very clearly trying to suggest that the answer to this tragedy is to bring in more guns.

Can you bring the whole conceal carry being allowed thing to his attention?
 
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