Honestly? A small scale civil war. I bet states would try to secede over this. And "take it when you pry it from my cold dead hands" folks would become mobilized.
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Honestly? A small scale civil war. I bet states would try to secede over this. And "take it when you pry it from my cold dead hands" folks would become mobilized.
Veritigo_X
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Yeah, it's pretty blatant. The NRA spent $3,410,000 on lobbying in 2013 when congress was voting on Obama's gun control proposals. $430,000 more than they spent in 2012.
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000082&year=2013
Earthstrike
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For nations that implement bans, they'll find ways to arrest them. Five eyes network and all.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Nobody is going to take your guns. Ever. It's never going to happen. You're fine.
Most of us don't live in secluded ranches worrying about wolves. We're afraid that our kids are going to be a victim of gun violence. It's happening all the time, across the country. Have some perspective.
Democratic process, like most developed nations. Not as easy.
thiscoldblack
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Well said by Obama. I've felt that frustration. Enough is enough.
I don't want to see how tv and social media spins this. It makes lose hope for this country and humanity.
I don't want to see how tv and social media spins this. It makes lose hope for this country and humanity.
Angelus Errare
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One of the best if not the best Presidents this country has and probably will ever have in our country's current condition.
https://twitter.com/FOX13News/status/649744282983600128
Deputies respond to shooting outside town hall in Inglis, N of Citrus Co. Witnesses say multiple victims.
Deputies respond to shooting outside town hall in Inglis, N of Citrus Co. Witnesses say multiple victims.
Obliterator
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Without a doubt. We are fucked. If they tried to take all firearms open guerrilla warfare would happen
BigWeather
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I don't have a problem with mentally stable and responsible individuals owning and using guns on their private property or on premises established specifically for gun use -- shooting ranges, hunting clubs, etc. Your use of guns is fine by me, at least -- and totally within the spirit of what our Founding Fathers intended with the 2nd.
I have a problem with guns everywhere else. No need for them in the glove box, church, school, theaters, grocery stores, or just walking down a street.
Winter John
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Why don't you try reading the thread before posting. It might give you some perspective
people didn't choose Obama for that role. There are checks and balances in our government to ensure no single entity grabs absolute power, because that's how dictatorships form.
The president is only one part of the equation of the will of the people. Which senators and congressmen they've elected is another part of the equation (and honestly, those bodies hold more power than the president).
Angelus Errare
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Man fuck.
Valjean Lafitte
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Last things first:
You may be interested to know that I don't own, have never own, and do not plan to own a gun.
Yes, I admit I was keen to gloss over evidence that did not provide an answer to the question I raised.
Are you so bent out of shape that you can't just respond to the actual content of my messages, that you must presuppose I hold a certain view? I never said what I thought was the "rational" explanation, I asked for proof that Congress is being bought off by gun lobbyists and as of yet you've given me none.
"Oh, but come on, what other explanation could there be? Why else are they not responding to the problem?"
I didn't ask for the likelihood of the theory, I asked if there was evidence to prove it.
You may be interested to know that I don't own, have never own, and do not plan to own a gun.
Yes, I admit I was keen to gloss over evidence that did not provide an answer to the question I raised.
Are you so bent out of shape that you can't just respond to the actual content of my messages, that you must presuppose I hold a certain view? I never said what I thought was the "rational" explanation, I asked for proof that Congress is being bought off by gun lobbyists and as of yet you've given me none.
"Oh, but come on, what other explanation could there be? Why else are they not responding to the problem?"
I didn't ask for the likelihood of the theory, I asked if there was evidence to prove it.
If this change ever happens, it'll have to be a generational shift in opinion on guns, unfortunately.
Elfforkusu
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It only seems like we elect kings every 4 years. The President has a tremendous amount of power, but it's because the law gives him that power. He doesn't have power to change the law.
christ.
I feel history will treat President Obama kindly.
But how haunted he must be at night with the spectre of every senseless gun violence death.
My condolences to the victims.
But 3D printers aren't weapons. Bans don't apply to them, and those with the wrong intentions only have to build them when they decide it's time to use them.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Keep worrying about your wolves.
Pretty sure this is like the 15th time.
I am all for people owning guns to protect themselves, family, and their property. We just need control and regulations to ensure guns that are being sold are to mentally stable and mature individuals who have taken XX number(hours) of gun safety and training classes. And have yearly or biyearly checkups and classes to keep people decently trained and to make sure they are still responsible enough to own a firearm.
I would definitely prefer banning guns altogether and buy back and melt down guns from current owners. I just know that is never going to happen. We just need to start a compromise, but the right who are in power won't even open up a line of communication.
Baldwin_the_First
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Now that every citizen and their dogs have guns in the US, I can only see bad shit happen before gun control take initiative in taking their guns away. Fools will feel threatened when they take their guns ("protection") away, if they ever do, and it will only be a matter of time until they open fire at them.
It's sickening to even think about.
Exactly. You can see Obama trying to reach the souls and common sense of the viewers with that speach because he feels so powerless even in his position, it's fucking revolting that it had to come to this point.
It's sickening to even think about.
Exactly. You can see Obama trying to reach the souls and common sense of the viewers with that speach because he feels so powerless even in his position, it's fucking revolting that it had to come to this point.
Boogie9IGN
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Man, I legit feel bad for Obama, you can tell he's just so upset and frustrated that he can't do anything :|
DrForester
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NBC has lowered the death count from 13 to 10.
Earthstrike
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I meant file tracking. The five eyes network at that point in time may be strong enough to achieve such a feat.
As a further sidenote, something that tends to help with the crazies is giving them some time to cooldown, which includes making things take longer. Even having to go through all the work of getting a 3d printer, loading materials, etc, etc, just to print a gun will presumably be at least a bit harder than just straight up buying one in a store for some time.
Elfforkusu
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What I saw a few hours ago is that local news was saying 10 dead, 6 in critical condition.
Veritigo_X
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Is spending $3,410,000 on lobbying when gun legislation was being voted on in 2013 good enough evidence?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180490834&postcount=354
In this case, the guy probably had the gun(s) at his place for weeks or months. Its a mental disorder, which is a whole other topic the government needs to fix.
Winter John
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Sure, this is perfectly rational. I would say that there's no need for anyone to own an automatic weapon and removing them would be a good start. I also think that there's no need for people who live in cities to own handguns but I don't think that idea would go down too well
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If you whisper Ronald Reagan in front of a mirror 3 times on the witching hour he will appear and protect your wildlife.
what ?he fuck
RustyNails
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If I were Obama entering my last year of Presidency, I would hold a primetime speech and just talk straight to NRA and ask them "how many more lives? how much more blood? How many more children? Make no mistake, you have blood of thousands on your hands." I'd talk for 45 minutes straight and make those shitbags cry to sleep.
Freedom = $1.05
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This would have zero effect on them
Now, you want to make them emotional just put some legislation in motion. Then they'll come out of the woodwork.
Mighty Chin
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Just like the Liberals to concoct a Mass Shooting to take the heat off of Planned Parenthood.
They have beds of money to sleep on that will absorb their nonexistent tears.
It would only further entrench the crowd the NRA panders to. Believe it or not, not all gun owners support the NRA. Quite a few find them despicable. But the same people saying he's a muslim are the ones that will say "he's coming for our guns!" if he makes such a speech. They absolutely loathe him in a way that is almost unprecedented.
The president would be better served going for the super common sense stuff that is hard to justify not having, like universal background checks and whatnot. Just rail on that.
Atraveller
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KillerMan91
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In fact in the US the head of state (president) still holds way more power than in most developed countries around the world.
Sadly, he still must consider the image of his fellow party members who, if not elected, will be replaced by more crazed individuals.
D'ultimate
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14 times.
RustyNails
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Fuck it! Face it, if we can't get a legislation passed after 20 kindergarteners are massacred, then we're not gonna get it passed if some loon steps in a NICU and shoots two dozen babies. At least with my speech I want to plant a worm that slowly eats their conscious. Before they croak, they will beseech God and cry for forgiveness
SoulUnison
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"Crack-smoking homosexual muslim arab!"
Yeah, I'm sure the guy running our country has a debilitating drug problem. It's not like he's near constantly in important meetings or on camera almost every second of every day. And what's the deal with his wife and two children? What a flamer!
This guy has NO high ground to be calling anybody else "nuts."
He's like a non-self-aware caricature of unnecessary partisanship and mental health issues bubbling visibly under the surface.
gutter_trash
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where is Rhonda Roussy?
First I want to know one thing:
What gives you the right more then the animals to live there? Are you better then them? You're in nature, you live by the standards set out by mother earth. You don't want this problem, move to the city. If you want to stay out there, you deal with the hand nature throws at you.
America's way is to neutralize (exterminate) the problem for the benefit of the few.
Just the same way how you deal with gun laws.
Makes me sick.
I don't really agree with that original post but him killing every animal that threatens something on his property is basically dealing with the hand that nature threw at him.
BlastProcessing
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The sad truth is that if we avoided talking about gun control within proximity of a tragedy, we would never talk about it. Mass shootings are too frequent these days.
neogaffer1
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i have an extension that replaces youtube comments with reddit comments (cuz some youtubers have subreddits with pretty good communities like Ashens) and the comments that came up for the video was /r/firearms and just looking at what they were commenting was driving me up a wall.
the top comment--i dunno, better background checks, for a start?
and that second top comment--are you fucking kidding me.
and that third comment--i find it hilarious the op posted the video, and then went line by line trying to negate anything the president said.
ugh.
edit: i expanded that downvoted comment and surprise surprise, it's a guy pointing out how stupid that second comment was
the top comment--i dunno, better background checks, for a start?
and that second top comment--are you fucking kidding me.
and that third comment--i find it hilarious the op posted the video, and then went line by line trying to negate anything the president said.
ugh.
edit: i expanded that downvoted comment and surprise surprise, it's a guy pointing out how stupid that second comment was
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