President Obama Is Pissed (Oregon Shooting Press Conference)

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Azurex said:
Best president

What would realistically happen if the US banned all firearms outright, say tomorrow?

It's obviously the best case scenario, as it's proven to work, but I would imagine the uproar would cause a small civil war, and that would be awful.
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Fox News would implode, that's for sure.

And probably a lot of angry folks attacking Government buildings or whoever they believe are responsible for the 'Police State'.
 
I cling to the hope that the demographic that so vigorously fights any attempts to reign this problem in is slowly but surely dying off.
 
Shining Sunshine said:
Any news sites done the tally Obama suggested
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Saw this on Vox. Yea...Vox.

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/9437187/obama-guns-terrorism-deaths

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Over ten thousand Americans are killed every year by gun violence. By contrast, so few Americans have been killed by terrorist attacks since 9/11 that, when you chart the two together, the terrorism death count approximates zero for every year except 2001. This comparison, if anything, understates the gap: far more Americans die every year from (easily preventable) gun suicides than gun homicides.
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Sawneeks said:
For all purposes they are illegal...in some places. They may be hard to get but they can still be acquired by the general populace which is something that has always struck me as odd. I can understand a love for guns but what place does an automatic rifle have in a person's home?

Exactly! Some sort of universal safeguard or system in place that allows people to get weapons if they really wish to! I'm not saying to make it impossible to acquire one but to make it so people who wish to do harm to others have a harder time acquiring the means to do so.
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So you understand:

Prompted by prohibition era gangsters and the rise of organized crime (law enforcement was seriously outgunned by the likes of bad guy like Dillinger), the United States drafted the National Firearms Act which passed in 1934. The National Firearms Act did not ban machine guns, but it made them impossible to afford for most people. To buy a machine gun under the 1934 NFA, an individual needs to submit the following (the procedure remains unchanged even today):

Pay a tax of $200, which in 1934 was worth over $3,500
Fill out a lengthy application to register your gun with the federal government
Submit photographs
Submit passport photos
Get your chief law enforcement official to sign your application
Wait for the results of your background check to come back
A violation of the national firearms act results in a felony punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison, a $100,000 fine, and forfeiture of the individual’s right to own or possess firearms in the future.

The next big piece of legislation pertinent to machine guns occurred in 1968 with the Gun Control Act. The Gun Control Act established that imported firearms that had “no sporting purpose” were not able to be sold to civilians. Machine guns as a whole were determined to have no sporting purpose, and thus any MG imported after ’68 are able to be owned only by dealers, military, and police agencies. One bit of good this act did was allowed for a registration amnesty. It became apparent that there were so many unregistered machine guns in the US that had been brought back by veterans, that they should be able to register them tax free. Luckily many of them did, but the amnesty ended after just one month (the feds owe us another few months, this humble author believes).

The last piece of machine gun legislation is to many the coup de grace. In 1986 the Firearm Owners Protection Act was intended to prevent the federal government from creating a registry of gun owners. At the last minute, William Hughes added an amendment that called for the banning of machine guns. Charlie Rangel said that the “amendment in the nature of a substitute, as amended, was agreed to.” However, after the voice vote on the Hughes Amendment, Rangel ignored a plea to take a recorded vote and moved on to Recorded Vote 74 where the Hughes Amendment failed. The bill passed on a motion to recommit. Despite the controversial amendment, the Senate adopted H.R. 4332 as an amendment to the final bill. The bill was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan. Thus, Reagan’s signature banned the registration of new machine guns in the USA.

So what does this mean? This is where it gets complicated:

Machine guns are not illegal, but it is illegal to make and register new ones on a form 1 (as you would do for an SBR)
There is no way around the May 19th, 1986 date. if the machine gun in question was made after that date, you may not own it (unless you are a dealer)
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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...actical-guide-full-auto/#sthash.N5XxG94a.dpuf

Because you can't own anything made after that 1986 date, what is out there has become insanely expensive. We're talking $10,000+ for most.
 
What do you say to people who think that if more people there had a gun that this wouldn't have happened? I don't even know the answer to that. More guns out in the wild is the exact opposite of common sense.
 
I'm glad he's politicizing it.

Because that's the ONLY way it'll ever be debated.

It's NOT WRONG to discuss a terrible tragedy that was ENABLED by the constitution.

It's never "too soon" or "inappropriate".
 
Dang, and we only had 1 more day until we could talk about gun laws without it being a 'kneejerk reaction' to the last mass shooting.

Welp, better reset the countdown again.
 
yeah, awesome, so badass.

Hope something concrete comes out of this, besides sad and angry speeches that literally mean nothing. People are getting killed in fucking schools, there's no two ways around it, you know what it needs to put a stop to all this
 
I had an idea for Obama to do. Next time this happens, he gives an invitation to someone in the district the shooting occurs in (government official, guns right activist, etc) to be the one that gets to address the nation about the shooting. He lets them have the podium at the white house and say what they want in defense of the event.
 
I can't even watch that video of the gun nut job. Not sure how some of you can subject yourself to that. Shitheads like that are half the reason I dropped Facebook.
 
Elfforkusu said:
If you think Illinois is bad, try Missouri.

don't
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Obama claims Chicago as his home outside of Hawaii. The amount of death threats and racist remarks from people in Illinois is sickening. I don't care who you vote for, there is no reason to ever want to harm another human being that badly. It's disgusting. We had (haven't seen once since Fox News stopped talking about) people who have never stepped foot outside of Illinois, flying the confederate flag in the suburbs. It's disgusting. I"m all for freedoms and freedom of speech, but when you are actively taking advice and listening to known racists and people trying to harm the country on Fox News, people like that need to be medically cleared back into society.

These same people are so fucked in the head, they want the black president killed, but want to give the black baseball player more money to keep playing. They can't make up their mind about who to be racist for unless Fox News tells them. It's a whole new level of dumb.
 
He looks tired. I would be pissed too if I was him. Its been routine shootings in this U.S under his administration than others. This is his best speech in my opinion. It hits every including gun owners(Which I am one of them want better gun control)
 
He is so frustrated, and rightfully so. Guy must just want to scream at these cameras.
 
Lord Morairty007 said:
He looks tired. I would be pissed too if I was him. Its been routine shootings in this U.S.
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All Presidents look tired during their tenure. The second they're told there's life outside of Earth and there's more going on around us, I'm convinced it changes their entire outlook.

I hope Obama is more like Carter and not like Clinton when he's done. I'd really like to see him out and about helping people. He's the first President I'd like to meet and have a conversation with. It might be because he's from Chicago, but he seems like a decent dude not in it for the money like Bush and Clinton were
 
Geo said:
Wow. I loved his speech.

He is so right about how we all become "numb" to this. Every single time.

One of the best speeches he has ever given in my opinion.
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I agree, this felt like a very powerful, even historic speech, whether it has an impact or not. When he talked about doing the right thing because "It is relevant to our common life together, to the body politic", I could tell he fucking cared. It's so sad.
 
mkenyon said:
So you understand:


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...actical-guide-full-auto/#sthash.N5XxG94a.dpuf

Because you can't own anything made after that 1986 date, what is out there has become insanely expensive. We're talking $10,000+ for most.
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Very interesting, thank you for the information!

I see that I was fairly incorrect about my previous statements, I apologize. Though I do have a question if you don't mind me asking. This kind of legislation, or ones similar, don't effect semi-automatic weapons do they? If not what is the reasoning behind the ban on automatic weapons but not that of semi-automatic weapons?
 
Ihyll said:
Meanwhile congress is focused on shutting down planned parenthood...

Fucking pathetic
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It really makes me embarrassed to be American and I'm really close to saying fuck it and moving out of the county permanently when I get out of the air force (hopefully soon).
 
Valjean Lafitte said:
Holy fucking shit. Steady your bleeding heart for just a sec and think rationally. What you quoted there had absolutely nothing to do with congress being "held hostage" with NRA money.

Of course, you weren't interested in providing a rational response anyway. You could have easily practiced basic reading comprehension if you were.



You can't make this shit up.
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Most Americans support moderate gun control (see: that evidence I supplied and you were so keen to gloss over). Congress does nothing about it (see: real life). NRA/gun lobby is an influential body that actually exists (see: also real life). Either said lobbyists flaunt their $$$ to prevent Congress (and by association, the ATF) from acting or, for some incredible reason, Congress just doesn't feel like doing anything in spite of their constituents and just came to that path of inaction completely free of outside influences. But that's the rational explanation isn't it?

Gun lobbyists are bad enough, but when people like you actively pretend like they're not influencing how Congress fails to pass gun control legislation in spite of majority bipartisan support from the public, or how the ATF is hamstrung by the gun lobby and thereby unable to enforce existing laws... well, maybe it's not actually worse, but it can sure feel like it.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Defend your property against who?
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I live on a ranch in a very remote area of Montana. At the moment we have a pack of wolves who have set up just over the back ridge. At this time of year they're generally not a problem but when winter sets in and the food supply runs low they start coming down looking for a meal. Last year we had to get a pack relocated during their breeding season after they set up a den and began attacking the horses. That cost me several thousand and my daughter was left devastated after her horse was killed during one attack. Apart from the wolves we also get bears and coyotes coming down from time to time. Now I'll be more than happy to give up my shotgun and hunting rifles, if the people who want a total ban on all guns are willing to go out there and protect my property from these predators.
 
Lord Morairty007 said:
He looks tired. I would be pissed too if I was him. Its been routine shootings in this U.S under his administration than others.
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As angry as this has made him I'm certain that this anger stems from a lot of things right now. Namely Syria and getting alpha'd by Putin.

This is such a tragic event though and my prayers are with the families.
 
The idiots allowing this to continue are terrible but I'm starting to get fed up with the constant moral capitulation that nothing can ever be done by people that say they actually care about gun control. Just another form of caustic apathy. We'd all be better off if you didnt say anything.
 
Measley said:
Right wing radio is going to be on fire tonight and tomorrow.

I especially look forward to asshats like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh completely glossing over the actual tragedy and spend their entire time talking about how Obama wants to take everyone's gun away.
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A version of this is already on my feed (though it's more about Obama being dumb than a threat).
 
Winter John said:
I live on a ranch in a very remote area of Montana. At the moment we have a pack of wolves who have set up just over the back ridge. At this time of year they're generally not a problem but when winter sets in and the food supply runs low they start coming down looking for a meal. Last year we had to get a pack relocated during their breeding season after they set up a den and began attacking the horses. That cost me several thousand and my daughter was left devastated after her horse was killed during one attack. Apart from the wolves we also get bears and coyotes coming down from time to time. Now I'll be more than happy to give up my shotgun and hunting rifles, if the people who want a total ban on all guns are willing to go out there and protect my property from these predators.
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lol we all know if they said gun control instead of gun ban we'd get the same response. Unless for some reason you think you'd be found unfit to own a gun?
 
linkboy said:
It really makes me embarrassed to be American and I'm really close to saying fuck it and moving out of the county permanently when I get out of the air force (hopefully soon).
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Its a shame. What is the congress focusing on now is absolutely pathetic instead of fixing our real issues.

The candidates for Prez need to come out strong in regards to gun violence at this time more than ever.

Bernie in particular needs to. He's more than strong enough on literally every other issue, but on guns, its especially important for him to make his positions clear based on some of the more suspect votes he's taken.

I can only somewhat understand since he is coming from a rural state with zero gun protections, but voters need to all know unequivocally that this kind of shit wont be tolerated at the national level for anyone who is faced with the bully pulpit.
 
Winter John said:
I live on a ranch in a very remote area of Montana. At the moment we have a pack of wolves who have set up just over the back ridge. At this time of year they're generally not a problem but when winter sets in and the food supply runs low they start coming down looking for a meal. Last year we had to get a pack relocated during their breeding season after they set up a den and began attacking the horses. That cost me several thousand and my daughter was left devastated after her horse was killed during one attack. Apart from the wolves we also get bears and coyotes coming down from time to time. Now I'll be more than happy to give up my shotgun and hunting rifles, if the people who want a total ban on all guns are willing to go out there and protect my property from these predators.
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wolf trap?
 
How many times in his tenure has Obama had to address the US about gun violence? This must be the fourth or fifth time, right? How awful. R.I.P to those lost. :-(
 
Damaniel said:
Easy enough - life sentences with zero parole for people involved in the production or distribution of 3D printed gun parts. Zero tolerance from the very beginning.

At this point, I'd settle for nothing less than a total ban. The NRA and the gun nuts have shown a complete lack of willingness to budge on any aspect of gun control, so I'm of the opinion that they should have no say in the solution.

And yes, I know that none of this will never happen, but it should. The US is a warzone, enabled by people who value their instruments of death over the lives of the tens of thousands who are shot and killed every year.
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But why would the shooter care? The whole idea is to get killed in the process.
 
I think it will get get to the point where even if it costs him his presidency, he'll do something drastic.

You can literally see him fighting every urge to just scream 'what the fuck?'
 
I don't understand American politics. If the majority has chosen Obama to lead the country, and Obama wants stricter gun laws, why can't he make those laws?
 
HK-47 said:
lol we all know if they said gun control instead of gun ban we'd get the same response. Unless for some reason you think you'd be found unfit to own a gun?
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This response is exactly the type I was talking about. Instead of discussing the issue rationally and with a degree of maturity we get these kind of lolololol childish and unnecessarily antagonistic posts.
 
Dimefan3 said:
I think it will get get to the point where even if it costs him his presidency, he'll do something drastic.
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It can't cost him his presidency. His two terms are done and his presidency has 14 months left. There wouldn't be enough time to impeach him and no executive order he could take to even enable such a thing.
 
Phyranion said:
I don't understand American politics. If the majority has chosen Obama to lead the country, and Obama wants stricter gun laws, why can't he make those laws?
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The US has three equal but separate branches of government.

Laws are made by the Legislative branch, which is the congress.

The President is the head of the Executive branch, which carries out the laws. The President runs the country based on the laws congress passes, but he cannot make any laws himself. If he wants laws to happen, he needs to convince congress to make them, which during the entirety of his presidency they have refused to listen to him.
 
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