President Obama Is Pissed (Oregon Shooting Press Conference)

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shrek said:
I mean this is great and all, but he's the goddamn president. He has (or at least had) power, but he's acting like some pissed grandpa at the dinner table.
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The president is both powerful and powerless at the same time. If Congress refuses to act, his hands are tied. There's only so much he can do alone and sadly this isn't one of those things.
 
So, if Donald Trump becomes the Republican candidate, he surely will lose control of Congress because he is clearly a lunatic. Then can you guys finally do simething about this?

Please tell me Trump would haemorrhage voters to Clinton/Sanders?
 
weekev said:
So, if Donald Trump becomes the Republican candidate, he surely will lose control of Congress because he is clearly a lunatic. Then can you guys finally do simething about this?

Please tell me Trump would haemorrhage voters to Clinton/Sanders?
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Trump would never win, barring a huge scandal or an economic meltdown.
 
Demoskinos said:
Can we like all agree yet that angry white men in our own country are more a threat to us than any perceived foreign threat? I mean Christ look at this.

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This wasn't a white guy in this case and nothing on that chart signifies race. What are you on about?
 
B-Dubs said:
Trump would never win, barring a huge scandal or an economic meltdown.
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Cool, so when you vote at the next election, do you elect congress as well? What would be the chances of having a sensible conversation on amending the amendment after that?
 
weekev said:
Cool, so when you vote at the next election, do you elect congress as well? What would be the chances of having a sensible conversation on amending the amendment after that?
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Amending the second amendment is a non starter. That involves a lot more than congress. It would also involve the strong support of the states.
The best bet in regards to gun control legislation is for congress to just pass it as law and when it eventually gets to the supreme court (because you know it will) for them to declare it constitutional.

Also we do elect congress as well sort of. There are two houses of congress, the House of Representatives that has terms of two years, all of which will be reelected in 2016, but there's also the Senate which has terms of six years, so about a third will be up for election. In regards to gun control things are not looking very positive on that front however, though things can of course change.
 


Oh sure, it's you guys that are under attack. Right.

Edit: Derp. This is from yesterday. I'm really out of tune with the date this week.
 
weekev said:
Cool, so when you vote at the next election, do you elect congress as well? What would be the chances of having a sensible conversation on amending the amendment after that?
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Not gonna happen, the House is gerrymandered to hell and back. The Dems aren't gonna win back Congress, even if they do it won't be by the margins needed for that.
 
BennyBlanco said:
This wasn't a white guy in this case and nothing on that chart signifies race. What are you on about?
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Are you going to be like the other guy earlier in the thread and ask for explicit proof that most US gun violence is committed by white folk? Honestly I don't have the statistics to back it up, so lambast me for that if you like, but if you examine the history of this country, empathy and compassion are not usually exhibited by those who believe this land (and the right to guns) were made solely for them.

Being white does not cause one to behave violently any more than being black or brown does, which is to say not at all. I'm talking correlation not causation.
 
37% voter turnout. Every time something like this happens, I am reminded of that. Liberal voters have no right to be pissed off. It's on them too. It's not some lobbyists or some other abstraction. If you want gun control, you vote.
 
TemplaerDude said:
Is the second amendment a religious belief? You have to "believe" in it for it to be true?
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I'd say there's a strong correlation there. The irony of the statement is that most calling for tighter gun control are not calling for gun abolishment. Polarized politics equals polarized viewpoints from those in power.
 
ThusZarathustra said:
Are you going to be like the other guy earlier in the thread and ask for explicit proof that most US gun violence is committed by white folk? Honestly I don't have the statistics to back it up, so lambast me for that if you like, but if you examine the history of this country, empathy and compassion are not usually exhibited by those who believe this land (and the right to guns) were made solely for them.

Being white does not cause one to behave violently any more than being black or brown does, which is to say not at all. I'm talking correlation not causation.
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I don't think the gun problem in the US is exclusive to any race. It's a problem for everyone.
 
Hexa said:
Amending the second amendment is a non starter. That involves a lot more than congress. It would also involve the strong support of the states.
The best bet in regards to gun control legislation is for congress to just pass it as law and when it eventually gets to the supreme court (because you know it will) for them to declare it constitutional.

Also we do elect congress as well sort of. There are two houses of congress, the House of Representatives that has terms of two years, all of which will be reelected in 2016, but there's also the Senate which has terms of six years, so about a third will be up for election. In regards to gun control things are not looking very positive on that front however, though things can of course change.
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Man your political system is overly complex. This whole thing seems like a no brainer its utterly ridiculous that something that causes so much pain for your country cant be changed or at least put to some kind of public vote to actually put Democracy into action.
 
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ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
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CHARLESTON, SC—In the hours following a violent rampage in downtown Charleston in which a lone attacker killed nine individuals and seriously injured one other, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Oklahoma resident Kenneth Barrows, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five and a half years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
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ROSEBURG, OR—In the hours following a violent rampage in southwestern Oregon in which a lone attacker killed 10 individuals and seriously injured seven others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Thursday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Ohio resident Lindsay Bennett, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past six years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”
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BennyBlanco said:
I don't think the gun problem in the US is exclusive to any race. It's a problem for everyone.
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For sure.

But I'm fairly certain no one put forward the idea that this was a "white problem only" or some such. Asserting that in the US more whites commit gun violence than any other race is not the same as saying it is a problem exclusive to that race.
 
weekev said:
Man your political system is overly complex. This whole thing seems like a no brainer its utterly ridiculous that something that causes so much pain for your country cant be changed or at least put to some kind of public vote to actually put Democracy into action.
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It was setup top prevent someone from consolidating all the power (basically the antithesis of the crown in England). That's also why freedom of speech and congress can't establish a religion are in the first amendment.

The problem is the two-party system has fucked everything up as the power of the govt is split between democrats and republicans.
 
ThusZarathustra said:
For sure.

But I'm fairly certain no one put forward the idea that this was a "white problem only" or some such. Asserting that in the US more whites commit gun violence than any other race is not the same as saying it is a problem exclusive to that race.
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Are you saying this is the case per capita? I'm curious since I don't have the numbers in front of me.
 
Stuff like this is why I hate politics. An easily solvable problem that will continue to go unsolved for years to come because stupid people are allowed to take office and have their horrible opinions heard and respected. I know he has to be somewhat impartial but I wish Obama would have just slammed morons like the NRA (I noticed he almost said they "purport" to represent responsible gun owners, but hastily switched to the more neutral "suggest") instead of just hinting at the fact that these people are the reason we have mass shootings every month.
 
linkboy said:
It was setup top prevent someone from consolidating all the power (basically the antithesis of the crown in England). That's also why freedom of speech and congress can't establish a religion are in the first amendment.

The problem is the two-party system has fucked everything up as the power of the govt is split between democrats and republicans.
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I mean, this is your countries national embarrassment, someone needs to start some kind of movement to change things, I wouldnt feel safe living in America, there are more terrorists inside your borders than the ones you are fighting overseas
 
ThusZarathustra said:
For sure.

But I'm fairly certain no one put forward the idea that this was a "white problem only" or some such. Asserting that in the US more whites commit gun violence than any other race is not the same as saying it is a problem exclusive to that race.
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Well, I'm not saying that either. I'm just puzzled by that post I was replying to saying we need to be more scared of angry white Americans and dropping a completely context free line graph.
 
Jawbreaker said:
Are you saying this is the case per capita? I'm curious since I don't have the numbers in front of me.
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Honestly I'm really curious too. It seems like a safe assertion, but many things do. Another thing I'd be curious to see numbers on would be a socioeconomic/regional/racial breakdown of those for and againist stronger gun control laws. Again, there's lots of seemingly safe assertions, but I'd love to see the numbers. (Then I'd like to read an examination of how the numbers were collected, seeings as these things are usually pretty small in sample size.)

EDIT: Marrec had a reply earlier that said statistically if you die in a mass shooting you're likely to both know the person and have them be white. If he's got a link to someone who's run all the numbers of all the shootings in the past x amount of time, I'd love to check it out
 
ThusZarathustra said:
Honestly I'm really curious too. It seems like a safe assertion, but many things do. Another thing I'd be curious to see numbers on would be a socioeconomic/regional/racial breakdown of those for and againist stronger gun control laws. Again, there's lots of seemingly safe assertions, but I'd love to see the numbers. (Then I'd like to read an examination of how the numbers were collected, seeings as these things are usually pretty small in sample size.)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/19/the-racial-divide-in-americas-gun-deaths/

^This article has some good infographics re: gun violence per region.
 
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