Famitsu "leaks" Laura for Street Fighter V

Established character vs. Brand new one.
This isn't a concept character. The character is designed and finished. How long the character has been around after that is irrelevant. The constant campaigning for diversity(I'm not against diversity), whether based on gender or race has gotten very old.
 
Would a non sexy character change these people's perception in a game they wouldn't or don't care about in the first place?
It's not like there aren't non pandering characters out there.

See that's the problem with the interwebs, you missed a key word in what I said. "Overly". The braless top design decision takes what is an otherwise good design aesthetic and takes it to a raunchy level.

You can be sexy without being overly sexualized. To people who don't play games, watching someone play this game would seem lecherous... Regardless if they picked Laura for her cleavage or not.
 
She is amazing, I guess that she seems half caucasian, half african, so It makes sense.
Sean is nipo-brazilian, Sean Matsuda, remember? He is half japanese, half afro-brazilian. Could be the same for Laura.

miss-universe-japan2015.jpg


Miss Japan: half afro-american, half japanese.


About her fighting style: he seems to be a MMA character that fights BJJ and Capoeira. Seems cool!
 
this idea that female characters can basically only dress one way in order to not be serialized is really funny to me.

I'm not even saying Laura isn't (the pose and the quote says it all..more so if she is a dancer or something). but I can't help but get a chuckle out of the constant thing is "oh her boobs are too big or she is showing too much skin".

also a character being sexualized isn't a bad thing, is it? It is, if that's all there is for sure and while 2/5 isn't the best ratio, the series as a whole is pretty good at having balance imo.

So it really seems like any skin or ample assets just set people off and that is a bit weird to me.
 
That's silly. Having a white US-American character would be accurate like a black US-American character.

Wanting that a character should get darker because of some agenda or stereotypes, when the original isn't wrong in any way, is the silly part.
I never said anything in disagreement with this, actually. I was just commenting on how your original post reply, the one that starts with the population percentage, was disingenuous. You can't use an arbitrary metric like population size to determine if one representation is more accurate than another, especially when you are dealing with a country that is not homogeneous.

Again, it's moreso what the phrasing you used there can imply (or at least how others can use the implication to interpret it themselves) that's the issue. Otherwise yeah, Laura is a solid representation as-is.

And a leagues step-up from Blanka. I felt so bad for Brazilians all that time b/c of him, then felt good for 'em b/c of 2I Sean, then bad again b/c Sean sucked ass in 3S and Blanka became their default for SF rep again. Laura makes up for this :)

This isn't a concept character. The character is designed and finished. How long the character has been around after that is irrelevant. The constant campaigning for diversity(I'm not against diversity), whether based on gender or race has gotten very old.
This sounds a bit contradictory. Does that mean you're only okay for diversity if it involves elves and ogres and dragons, or are you not okay with it when it comes to the two metrics actually related to the real world? Or are you tired with feeling there's an agenda behind it?

Granted, I have my own feelings on diversity in gaming, and I don't think having a darker skin alt for Laura would fix the problem that seems to be the root of this (lack of a black or dark-skinned girl in the cast), but that doesn't make their concerns any less valid. I mean, Laura's the first Latina woman the series has ever seen, and it's taken....25+ years for that to happen? Ever since Elena came out the series hasn't seen fit to take another attempt at black woman.

OTOH there's more than enough white and Asian woman to choose from throughout the games. Mind you, I only look at it this way when the situation warrants it, but if we're asking an honest question regarding ethnic female representation in fighting games, it's extremely lopsided to the latter two entries than the former. A lot of people would like to see that more rounded out, especially since we're talking about a genre that traditionally is more contemporary in its time setting. The points raised have lots of merit.

If you're not even willing to acknowledge that, you're not in a position to tell people to stop bringing the topic up. (though I'll admit outright saying Laura needs to be darker, or have a dark-skinned alt, doesn't sit well with me. In fact the latter option would just create more problems then it'd solve).
 
Like the overall design concept, the hair style, awaiting video to make a judgement on her gameplay... But I'm sorry, the seemingly braless top she has going on is ridiculous ...

Yet another design ruined by one small (large?) overly sexualized design decicion for next to no reason other than to further fuel the feeling among the non-gamer public (and my wife) that games are for 13-year-old boys. :P

Lol! Really? The possibility of a character being bra-less in a gi is over sexualized now? What if she's wearing a strapless? Why am I talking about this?
 
Maybe a put sports bra on. Her tits hanging out look dumb.

And are they're any zoning/projectile characters? I'd really like some variety in play styles, that was one of the best things about IV. So far it seems like everyone is rush down/grapplers, with the exception of Ryu.
 
I never said anything in disagreement with this, actually. I was just commenting on how your original post reply, the one that starts with the population percentage, was disingenuous. You can't use an arbitrary metric like population size to determine if one representation is more accurate than another, especially when you are dealing with a country that is not homogeneous.

Again, it's moreso what the phrasing you used there can imply (or at least how others can use the implication to interpret it themselves) that's the issue. Otherwise yeah, Laura is a solid representation as-is.

And a leagues step-up from Blanka. I felt so bad for Brazilians all that time b/c of him, then felt good for 'em b/c of 2I Sean, then bad again b/c Sean sucked ass in 3S and Blanka became their default for SF rep again. Laura makes up for this :)

Okay, Laura is okay how she is.

I think we don't need to talk more about that silly topic anymore. I just hope her VA will nail her character.
 
Like the overall design concept, the hair style, awaiting video to make a judgement on her gameplay... But I'm sorry, the seemingly braless top she has going on is ridiculous ...

Yet another design ruined by one small (large?) overly sexualized design decicion for next to no reason other than to further fuel the feeling among the non-gamer public (and my wife) that games are for 13-year-old boys. :P
I don't know man, I'm 27 and I still like breasts. Ya dig? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
She is amazing, I guess that she seems half caucasian, half african, so It makes sense.
Sean is nipo-brazilian, Sean Matsuda, remember? He is half japanese, half afro-brazilian. Could be the same for Laura.

miss-franca1-500x343.jpg


Miss Japan: half afro-american, half japanese.


About her fighting style: he seems to be a MMA character that fights BJJ and Capoeira. Seems cool!


lol, u posted Flora Coquerel, Miss France 2014 according to google image search.


I believe you were looking for Ariana Miyamoto.
 
Lol! Really? The possibility of a character being bra-less in a gi is over sexualized now? What if she's wearing a strapless? Why am I talking about this?

When is the last time you saw a female martial artist, MMA fighter, athlete, etc. in reality, with a chest of that size not wearing a sports bra or having other chest support (tape, wrap, etc.)?

I get it, it's Street Fighter... It's not supposed to be realistic. But it doesn't have to be stupid about how it portrays women either.

I don't know man, I'm 27 and I still like breasts. Ya dig? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I dig. Doesn't change the perception among the unwashed non-gaming masses that think that only 13-year-old boys like digital breasts. They kind of expect people move on to more physical breasts. Ya dig?
 
I don't know man, I'm 27 and I still like breasts. Ya dig?

grow up man.

can't be liking tits or else society will shame you.

/jk.

but no seriously, the non gaming public will always think gaming is for kids. Virtual Tits being there or not will not change that. They could see and Ryu and Ken match and still think "look at this kid shit".

I never understood why this always comes up in topics. "oh no someone may see me playing this game with tits and judge me"....news flash that person more than likely will judge you regardless.
 
I think it would somehow end up being even more sexy if they gave her a bra. The way it is, her gi has to be glued to her body for obvious reasons, but if you give her a bra, then you can afford it to move loosely and show a lot more.

I'd be fine with that, but I'm not sure that's what people complaining about being braless have in mind.

And a leagues step-up from Blanka. I felt so bad for Brazilians all that time b/c of him, then felt good for 'em b/c of 2I Sean, then bad again b/c Sean sucked ass in 3S and Blanka became their default for SF rep again. Laura makes up for this :)

Don't worry about it, most people here actually love Blanka. I personally hate him, but just because he's very annoying to fight against. We don't really care, as far as I can tell.
 
Like the overall design concept, the hair style, awaiting video to make a judgement on her gameplay... But I'm sorry, the seemingly braless top she has going on is ridiculous ...

Yet another design ruined by one small (large?) overly sexualized design decicion for next to no reason other than to further fuel the feeling among the non-gamer public (and my wife) that games are for 13-year-old boys. :P

Myself and my wife, both 30-somethings, love the design.

Stop projecting.

I don't like her outfit, but she looks nice. Need gameplay videos cuz screenshots just have me unable to think of anything but Kim Kaphwan

This is a good thing!
 
I dig. Doesn't change the perception among the unwashed non-gaming masses that think that only 13-year-old boys like digital breasts. They kind of expect people move on to more physical breasts. Ya dig?
Don't let their words get to you, they're just words. The human body can be admired in all forms, digitally, in art form, or the real thing. It's all good :)
 
This isn't a concept character. The character is designed and finished. How long the character has been around after that is irrelevant. The constant campaigning for diversity(I'm not against diversity), whether based on gender or race has gotten very old.

How do you know the character is finished when there's been shots of updated, finished models of the characters in SFV since development?

Stop making assumptions.
 
That's silly. Having a white US-American character would be accurate like a black US-American character.

Wanting that a character should get darker because of some agenda or stereotypes, when the original isn't wrong in any way, is the silly part.

Balrog isn't dark enough, I think.
 
Don't worry about it, most people here actually love Blanka. I personally hate him, but just because he's very annoying to fight against. We don't really care, as far as I can tell.

Cool, that's good to hear. I'll admit I also kinda dislike the sonofabitch, but that's got more to do w/ how he gets a pass in terms of being a "freak", when III characters like Necro are shamed for being the exact same way, just coming from a series people don't like for some reason.

I really hope Necro comes back as DLC in some point. He's a perfect fit for this game.
 
Like the overall design concept, the hair style, awaiting video to make a judgement on her gameplay... But I'm sorry, the seemingly braless top she has going on is ridiculous ...

Yet another design ruined by one small (large?) overly sexualized design decicion for next to no reason other than to further fuel the feeling among the non-gamer public (and my wife) that games are for 13-year-old boys. :P

Your wife and co. have every right to criticize gaming's more problematic areas. Overt sexualization isn't a set thing - that's why having discussions about this is enlightening because you learn so much about what makes a person like this is used as a piece of eye candy, or why they like it. It's also not the only thing about a character's personality. Even Ivy, who's boobs are nearly busting out of her excuse of an outfit, contains a cool backstory. Nothing is invalidating by voicing concerns for a character.

However, people with the mentality that an entire selection of media is for children due to some games containing revealing character designs is silly. All forms of media carry large amounts of sexualization, but none of them should be defined by their worse examples. I hope those who employ such an attitude are ready to look at it from a case-by-case basis instead of just hitting that generalization button and being done with it.
 
Never said there aren't light skinned people there, but I know there are many dark skinned people there too and Street Fighter only has one other black girl.

Show me another latina woman in SF. Trying to take away one cultural representation in the game seems really fucked up to me. Especially one that is ridiculously underrepresented as it is
 
7,61% of the population.

Going with the skin color is not wrong nor it does need to be fixed in anyway.

Not to really get into racial identification in Brazil (it would be a multipage article). But Brazilians identifying as preto is a recent phenomenon as more and more are accepting their roots. I mean heck all of 20 years ago this same census would have said like only 1% of the population identifies as preto. Despite only 7% of Brazilians readily identifying as preto that's not the same as the number of dark skinned Brazilians, many more identifiy as prado or the nebulous catch all that is "moreno".

Brazil is/has been going through a black movement (for lack of a better word) where more and more Brazilians are identifying as black...funny thing is this reevaluation is/was inspired by African Americans whom many Brazilians see as like the first to be proud of their heritage despite the hardships that come with the skin color, there's also the help of Brazilian government recognizing and trying to improve the lives said group, and seeing more and more dark skinned moving up in the social/income ladder.

Meanwhile in Dominican Republic...
 
When is the last time you saw a female martial artist, MMA fighter, athlete, etc. in reality, with a chest of that size not wearing a sports bra or having other chest support (tape, wrap, etc.)?

I get it, it's Street Fighter... It's not supposed to be realistic. But it doesn't have to be stupid about how it portrays women either.



I dig. Doesn't change the perception among the unwashed non-gaming masses that think that only 13-year-old boys like digital breasts. They kind of expect people move on to more physical breasts. Ya dig?
Yeah, because 13 year old boys think about big breasts nearly as much as late teenagers and grown men too. What a tired and bad played out joke to keep spouting. The joke really doesn't even make sense the more I see it.
 
There is literally not much different from her than Chun-Li, and yet she's a "promiscuous Brazilian woman with big tits/ass in revealing garb" because she's Latina? Can you please stop looking for ways to be offended? It's damn annoying.

I'm not offended. Stop extrapolating information that isn't there.

And it's not that she's Latina. It's that she's Latina in a Street Fighter game. She's got big boobs and she wrestles people to the ground; considering how plenty of Japanese fighting game developers portray Latinas as walking sex symbols, and how Street Fighter in particular is full of cultural stereotypes, it is certainly not a stretch to expect Laura to lick her lips and say shit like "Go easy on me" as she headlocks her opponents, crushing their tracheas with her double-Ds.

I actually like her design. But I'm also not foolish enough to believe Laura won't be a giant walking stereotype.
 
Yet another design ruined by one small (large?) overly sexualized design decicion for next to no reason other than to further fuel the feeling among the non-gamer public (and my wife) that games are for 13-year-old boys. :P

I'm a female SF player, and I love Laura's design.

Sure, she'll be a turn-off for some, but you might be surprised by what women like in terms of game characters. For example, I think DOA is a lot more popular among female players than some guys imagine.

Plus, with Street Fighter, you've got a roster of strong, kick-ass ladies, wirh a wide diversity of outfit styles. So if people just write the game off because one character is busty and showing some cleavage, that's their fault, not the game's. There are plenty of other games out there more deserving of that scorn.
 
Not to really get into racial identification in Brazil (it would be a multipage article). But Brazilians identifying as preto is a recent phenomenon as more and more are accepting their roots. I mean heck all of 20 years ago this same census would have said like only 1% of the population identifies as preto. Despite only 7% of Brazilians readily identifying as preto that's not the same as the number of dark skinned Brazilians, many more identifiy as prado or the nebulous catch all that is "moreno".

Brazil is/has been going through a black movement (for lack of a better word) where more and more Brazilians are identifying as black...funny thing is this reevaluation is/was inspired by African Americans whom many Brazilians see as like the first to be proud of their heritage despite the hardships that come with the skin color, there's also the help of Brazilian government recognizing and trying to improve the lives said group, and seeing more and more dark skinned moving up in the social/income ladder.

Meanwhile in Dominican Republic...

70-80% of the population are mulattoes(White/Black Mixed), not pure-black(or Afro-Dominican, who represent the 10% of the population, along with European-Dominican, who are the other 10% too). This shit needs to stop already. No Black Dominicans denies their "blackness"
 
What a weird thread...

I eat at a Brazilian Restaurant pretty frequently and they always have a Brazilian channel on the TV...their country is super diverse in skin color/
 
Your wife and co. have every right to criticize gaming's more problematic areas. Overt sexualization isn't a set thing - that's why having discussions about this is enlightening because you learn so much about what makes a person like this is used as a piece of eye candy, or why they like it. It's also not the only thing about a character's personality. Even Ivy, who's boobs are nearly busting out of her excuse of an outfit, contains a cool backstory. Nothing is invalidating by voicing concerns for a character.

However, people with the mentality that an entire selection of media is for children due to some games containing revealing character designs is silly. All forms of media carry large amounts of sexualization, but none of them should be defined by their worse examples. I hope those who employ such an attitude are ready to look at it from a case-by-case basis instead of just hitting that generalization button and being done with it.

For what it's worth, I agree. But in my experience, perception is reality, and the perception being propagated is that gaming is an all boys club. And that's wrong... Because there's so many gaming experiences people out there are missing that they would absolutely love except for this perception problem.
 
I never understood why this always comes up in topics. "oh no someone may see me playing this game with tits and judge me"....news flash that person more than likely will judge you regardless.

Yeah. Someone seeing a person play Mario and someone seeing a person play a game with gigantic boobs hanging out is going to have the same reaction.
 
What a weird thread...

I eat at a Brazilian Restaurant pretty frequently and they always have a Brazilian channel on the TV...their country is super diverse in skin color/
Incredibly diverse. Way too many weird misinformed people in this thread. Thread went to shit since last night.
 
I'll be honest (and probably lynched), but I'm not a fan of the new designs on both old characters and newcomers.
They look ugly to me.

I'd hope not, haha. Opinions are awesome, if you don't dig them you don't dig them. You feel that way about Zangief too?! I mean, it literally looks like they plucked him from IV and put him in V, lol.
 
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