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NFL 2015 Week 4 |OT| - A Fraud Loses His Roar

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Eleuin said:
Thought the defense was playing lights out until I saw this..
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GB defense was good, but see what I'm saying? The CS is putting Kap in a position to make plays, and he simply cannot.

There's about 10 or so examples like this yesterday alone. It's insane.
 
Dolphins-GAF, I heard some people discussing canning your current D-coordinator and hiring Jim Schwarz (reuniting him with Suh). What would you all think of that?
 
It's weird because the league is so geared and favorable to the QB position, but there is like 4-5 good QBs in the league and everyone else is mediocre. It sort of reminds me of the early 00s in the NBA when there was like a handful of legit elite players and everyone else had to convince themselves that Vince Carter, Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis were championship calibur players. Ryan Tannehill and Andy Dalton are the Marbury and Francis of the NFL.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
It's weird because the league is so geared and favorable to the QB position, but there is like 4-5 good QBs in the league and everyone else is mediocre. It sort of reminds me of the early 00s in the NBA when there was like a handful of legit elite players and everyone else had to convince themselves that Vince Carter, Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis were championship calibur players. Ryan Tannehill and Andy Dalton are the Marbury and Francis of the NFL.
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Which is weird because it has never been easier to play qb.

The other players are not allowed to hurt or attempt to hurt the qb and receivers can't be touched.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
It's weird because the league is so geared and favorable to the QB position, but there is like 4-5 good QBs in the league and everyone else is mediocre. It sort of reminds me of the early 00s in the NBA when there was like a handful of legit elite players and everyone else had to convince themselves that Vince Carter, Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis were championship calibur players. Ryan Tannehill and Andy Dalton are the Marbury and Francis of the NFL.
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Oh my God, please don't remind me of Steve Francis.
 
bionic77 said:
Which is weird because it has never been easier to play qb.

The other players are not allowed to hurt or attempt to hurt the qb and receivers can't be touched.
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It's what makes the guys that can play so valuable. At this point I'd say Tom, Ben, Rodgers, Wilson and maybe Luck (this is going to be a telling season for him) are the only guys in the league I'd trust to be able to lead me to a SB. Everyone else needs a flukey and unpredictable out of their mind run like Eli and Flacco have had.
 
Luck has a partially separated shoulder
http://indysportscentral.com/2015/1...of-throwing-shoulder-has-consulted-3-doctors/

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. (Oct. 5, 2015) – Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck suffered a subluxation of his throwing shoulder, Indy Sports Central’s Chris Hagan has learned.

A source close to the situation says at least three out-of-state experts have looked at the injury and given their input. Luck had an MRI a week ago. The injury is also known as a partial separation of the shoulder.

Doctors are concerned about Luck’s labrum, which is hard to read from the MRI with this type of injury. The biggest concerns about Luck at the moment are pain and arm strength.

The Colts quarterback injured his shoulder in the team’s week three win against the Tennessee Titans. He sat out this week’s game against Jacksonville and his status for Thursday’s game against the Houston Texans is in doubt.
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bionic77 said:
Which is weird because it has never been easier to play qb.

The other players are not allowed to hurt or attempt to hurt the qb and receivers can't be touched.
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I think it's pretty hard to play QB. Defenders are faster and smarter than ever. Blitzes are insanely exotic now. Joe Montana maybe played 10 games in his career vs a zone blitz. The offensive linemen in front of them grew up in spread offenses and have no idea how to run block. More than ever, it's up to the QB to carry the offense. And there's still a lack of coaches up to the task of helping those QBs best succeed

But for that handful of human beings who can excel at QB, it's never been easier, for sure
 
Ninja Scooter said:
It's what makes the guys that can play so valuable. At this point I'd say Tom, Ben, Rodgers, Wilson and maybe Luck (this is going to be a telling season for him) are the only guys in the league I'd trust to be able to lead me to a SB. Everyone else needs a flukey and unpredictable out of their mind run like Eli and Flacco have had.
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Wilson's defense lead the team to a superbowl. When Wilson leads an average defense to the superbowl is when I start putting him with the other guys.
 
ISOM said:
Wilson's defense lead the team to a superbowl. When Wilson leads an average defense to the superbowl is when I start putting him with the other guys.
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This is what gives Denver the argument this year. Even with Manning looking noticeably worse, if the Defense can maintain this high level of play they might have the balance they haven't had in the previous 3 years.
 
squicken said:
I think it's pretty hard to play QB. Defenders are faster and smarter than ever. Blitzes are insanely exotic now. Joe Montana maybe played 10 games in his career vs a zone blitz. The offensive linemen in front of them grew up in spread offenses and have no idea how to run block. More than ever, it's up to the QB to carry the offense. And there's still a lack of coaches up to the task of helping those QBs best succeed

But for that handful of human beings who can excel at QB, it's never been easier, for sure
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I'm sure he would trade facing more zone blitzes for getting a chance to play with the five yard illegal contact rule. Among other changes.

RE: Denver, has a Wade Phillips defense ever performed well late season/playoffs?
 
ISOM said:
Wilson's defense lead the team to a superbowl. When Wilson leads an average defense to the superbowl is when I start putting him with the other guys.
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I think Wilson is a smart and heady player though. I would have faith that you can build a team from the ground up around him that could be good enough to win the SB. Same with the rest of those guys.
 
eznark said:
Yeah, flat and end zone crosser were open. Two guys underneath weren't yet.
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I'll agree they wouldn't have been locks to get in, but basically he had 4 immediate options available, two probable touchdowns, and he took a sack.

Then talking heads say our OL is bad and that's why he's regressing. Not. A. Chance.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I think Wilson is a smart and heady player though. I would have faith that you can build a team from the ground up around him that could be good enough to win the SB. Same with the rest of those guys.
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Well, just look at their record at the start of this season without Kam. I'm not so sure. It's not like we can put him in a vacuum though.
 
levious said:
I'm sure he would trade facing more zone blitzes for getting a chance to play with the five yard illegal contact rule. Among other changes.
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Illegal contact has been a rule since 1978. People just forgot about it since the Patriots tackled Bruce and Holt every play in their first SB win*
 
squicken said:
Illegal contact has been a rule since 1978. People just forgot it was about it since the Patriots tackled Bruce and Holt every play in their first SB win*
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How it is called was majorly changed around 95. You used to be able to handcheck and grab without diverting the route. It was a huge difference.

I believe there was a season in the early nineties that started off with historically low scoring that prompted the first major change. Experts were speculating that young atheletes were growing up wanting to play defense like never before.
 
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There were no open receivers. I got a great chuckle out of how Smith and Boldin were all acting frustrated because they were totally covered and he didn't give them a chance to make the play. He used to put it on a line to their back-shoulder or loft it up for them to go make a play on but he was obviously instructed to take zero chances. Take the gun away from the gunslinger and that is what you have.

Yes, there were chances to move the team but this is what happens when you have ZERO TRUST in your offensive line and receivers. When the baseline becomes that you can't step into a throw and have to move immediately after taking a 3 step drop then you can't blame the QB for being skittish when, on the rare occasion, he does get time. My dad was saying he saw this before with Jim Plunkett back in the 1970s - the offensive line was just sooooooo bad that he got killed and lost all trust and confidence. Then he moved to Oakland with a good line and the rest is history.

I also think this "training" with Warner has fucked him up as well. He short armed a throw last week to the rare open receiver (Smith) that was intercepted. Say what you want about Kaep but how often does he underthrow a receiver when he can step into a throw? That never happened in previous years.
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Kap's throws are way too long and he telegraphs his throws for a week before the ball comes out and he overthrows it so the receiver can't hang onto the ball, he needs to develop touch, of which he has none.

Right now all he does is lateral throws and long throws that most of the time miss by a mile. He threw into double coverage to Boldin on the interception, a better line isn't going to make him monumentally better when his vision is severely limited and he has no touch. He's unfixable because he's fundamentally lacking in what makes a good QB, a better o-line will only hide his deficiencies, which is not what is best for the team, he needs to be gone.
 
ISOM said:
Those 3 years of game tape involve the best defense in the league. The start of this season their defense wasn't so great. It's a small sample size but it's what is presented.
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I'm talking about his mechanics, pocket presence, reads, ect...He's good. I think he's a cut above other young QBs in the league because of it. I would trust him, for the most part, to make the right play. Not so much a guy like Dalton or Cam. I'm not measuring this based on team success.
 
LevelNth said:
I'll agree they wouldn't have been locks to get in, but basically he had 4 immediate options available, two probable touchdowns, and he took a sack.

Then talking heads say our OL is bad and that's why he's regressing. Not. A. Chance.
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Whoever is telling Kap not to run is messing him up bad. Fuck the open guys on that play, if he just tucks it and runs he scores. The 2 receivers in front of him can block and that leaves one defender to try and tackle him in the open field. It seems like he is only running as a last option and that is stupid. Why take away a weapon like that, when he beat GB in the playoffs it was by running to set up the pass. SF needs a coach that will let him get back to that, or they need to bench him and move on.
 
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