Can they replicate it with lazer tag devices? Also, I think i'd be worst in a real life situation compared to a simulaiton.
Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon
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Can they replicate it with lazer tag devices? Also, I think i'd be worst in a real life situation compared to a simulaiton.
CharlieDigital
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Maybe, maybe not.
For one, don't you think most people in college classes would not be wearing helmets and bulky gloves? And secondly, don't you think that in a real life scenario, both sides would not know that there is a shooter coming and that one of the participants is armed?
The problem I see here is that the participants were in a prolonged state of heightened awareness. It may actually be more draining mentally and physically than if it were just a burst of adrenaline.
My overall point isn't to argue the results of the experiment but to point out that the methodology leaves a lot of weaknesses that make it easy for gun control opponents to poke holes in it. It's not as strong a case to a gun control opponent who sees these flaws.
A better methodology might be to set it up like an America's Army scenario and have both shooters be participants. One participant is told that he is entering the classroom because there is a person who has threatened gun violence and he has to go in and identify and stop him. One participant is told that he is in the classroom and there is a potential gun attack on the classroom but is not told whether it will come from outside or from another person within. Participants can sit wherever they want. In some cases, have two participants start in the classroom and there is a third participant that enters the classroom and one of the two participants in the classroom has to identify who is the real threat. And don't set it up like some motorcycle safety class. At least in this scenario, you eliminate the asymmetry of information that seems present in the original design with the instructor as the attacker, the known gun holder in the class, the limited scope of vision with the helmets and gloves.
Eliminating the suspense factor is more difficult; I don't have a practical way of eliminating that.
Messofanego
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When you have 45 shootings in a year, that tends to happen.
45 is beyond incomprehensible.
School shootings since Sandy Hook
That's just school shootings. That doesn't include other shootings.
It's pathetic that some people won't even consider that our gun laws need at least some sort of reform, even after seeing these numbers. We shouldn't act like this is just some inherent issue that we're "just gonna have to deal with". Jesus.
I can ALMOST understand crazy people being SH truthers IF the controversy surrounding sandy hook actually did anything to gun laws, because in their minds it would seem like mad muslim obama's genius plans were coming to fruition. But laws haven't changed since then and they still say there was a conspiracy there? Fucking insanity...
Earthstrike
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The horribleness of Sandy Hook just causes them to go into denial mode. They'd rather believe it just isn't real.
bomb threat in southern oregon. probably some copycat bullshit
Because in the wake of 9/11, the american media took the word " terrorism " and twisted it so much that now it means " brown people explosing themselves ".
The Charleston shooting was a domestic terrorist attack. This attack could also be labeled a terrorist one if we learn that the shooter had an agenda behind it. The fact that he specifically targeted christians makes it a hate crime and probably a terrorist attack too if his goal was indeed to instill fear in the hearts of christians.
But just remember how people reacted badly when the charleston shooting was labeled a terrorist attack by a few pundits/journalists.People were really angry and would rather see it as an anti-christian massacre when it was plain as day that the guy wanted to kill black people to start a race war.
The word terrorism is completely hackneyed now.
Damn, I lost it at "don't believe anything unless it comes from Info Wars or the Bible"
It's interesting that I think the word has gone the other way. I've heard people claim that slapping your children is terrorism. I've heard that any assault or shooting is terrorism, as it causes terror.
But you appear to use the classic definition that I subscribe to, which is 'violence allied to a political or social agenda'. By which count the Charleston shooting certainly could fall under a terrorist definition. This one it remains to be seen, but if the guy was an motivated by anti-christian rhetoric, then yeah, absolutely.
But by and large I feel like too many people think 'anything that causes fear or terror' = 'terrorism' when the 'agenda' part is essential, imo.
Nah if you're a sandy hook truther you're a scumbag. Plain and simple.
They are pretty much shitting on the memory of 25 innocent toddlers. Sorry but that's inexcusable.
It really is. I read the stories about how some of the parents were getting harassing phone games and letters from people saying things like "why did you make up a child that didn't exist and pretend he got killed?" or "I bet you're daughter is still alive and you just faked her death for the attention!" or "how much did the government pay you to go along with their conspiracy?"
Inhuman, really.
RPGCrazied
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Yeah, he posted some scummy comments on his facebook. Guess what? Its been deleted.
He really needs to quit or get fired.
SaganIsGOAT
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Yeah my brother came in with the perfect post lol
ebullientprism
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What is that?
It's worse than that. They don't think the government shot the kids.
They argue that the kids never existed.
SaganIsGOAT
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Man what the fuck... So I guess us here in Ashland should be expecting SOU to have to deal with this same shit too...
Which manages to be the one thing dumber than thinking the government did it. The worst part is these morons refuse to leave the families of the victims alone.
SaganIsGOAT
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Speak of the devil, my friends at SOU are out. School is cancelled because of this shit...
Earthstrike
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Oh I completely agree it's inexcusable. They are shitty. I'm just pointing it out that they are so entrenched in their ideology their brain will do absolutely anything to twist reality in a way that could possibly or feasibly even dent their ideals in any way whatsoever.
The problem with "if only they had guns to protect" argument isn't about how a gun could be used to protect.
When you put more guns in more hands of the public you will simply get more incidents where someone gets shot. People will use them unwisely and incorrectly, such as road rage incidents, or plain misjudgements.
When you put more guns in more hands of the public you will simply get more incidents where someone gets shot. People will use them unwisely and incorrectly, such as road rage incidents, or plain misjudgements.
That James dude is your brother ?
SaganIsGOAT
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No, teammate from North Dakota. Jared is my brother.
MonkeyKing
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The shooter's name is a fact and matter of public record. It's also, sadly irrelevant, considering that we'll forget his name in a couple of months when the next massacre happens.
Not saying the shooters name is IMO indicative of the intellectual bankruptcy on the pro-gun side of discussion. Do we REALLY think that the next homicidal lunatic will be dissuaded if we pretend they didn't have a name?! Is that the best we can hope for? We're going to be mean to you after you've dead. Our National discussion about guns has reached a point of absurdity that there's no point even engaging in it anymore . And maybe that is by design: by chasing our tail with the same old familiar circular arguments we can avoid having to face the reality. It's too late for gun-control .
NPR brought me to tears this morning. They interviewed the father of a girl that survived the massacre. She lived because she was covered in the blood of a young man murdered in front of her, the shooter wasn't sure if he'd shot her yet so he moved on.
This father spoke to the mother of the slain boy, and she requested that he hug his daughter everyday, for all the hugs she'd want to give her son. At which point I lost it.
I read one article on the shooter that said he was mixed, raise by his black mom... but was a white supremacist. What?
OMG hahahahah. Wow. Ok I am logging off the internet for a few hours now.
Ooooh so that post was ironic hahahaha
SaganIsGOAT
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Yeah he's making fun of them Lolololol
The Sum of Zero
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Posted already?
Via AP News:
"BREAKING: Source: Oregon gunman was angry he didn't have girlfriend, believed everyone else was 'crazy'"
Via AP News:
"BREAKING: Source: Oregon gunman was angry he didn't have girlfriend, believed everyone else was 'crazy'"
Citadelofmythoughts
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http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/...an-think-of-as-well-as-whoville-and-the-moon/
If there is a reason to not burn 4chan to the ground, I'm not seeing it.
If there is a reason to not burn 4chan to the ground, I'm not seeing it.
Let's ban watercolors while we're at it, Hitler used them.
stufte
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More apt would be the enigma machine. Hitler used that and it was entirely essential for the allies to destroy their use of it in order to save lives.
Citadelofmythoughts
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Did he use the watercolors to rile up, motivate and organize more killers?
I read earlier that he owned something like 6 guns. All bought legally.
Carnby
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How? He was 20 years old. He's not old enough to purchase a gun legally?
Edit: a google search later...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/0...unman-wrote-of-keeping-firearms.html?referer=
It looks like he and his mother were gun "enthusiasts." Nothing is officially confirmed, but it appears he got them from his own home.
His mom bought them all. Sound familiar?
All of them were legally purchased.
This comparison doesn't work.
The trouble with that 4chan sub-board is not just its anonymity but also its subculture, which breeds and encourages behaviour like this. The explosion of joke threats is rather dangerous in its own way because it serves as a shield for the people who genuinely mean to follow through - the more clowns doing it "for the lulz," the less likely that people like the Oregon shooter will be investigated in time by law enforcement.
It's baffling and infuriating that I'm having trouble getting health insurance to protect my own well being, but I could get a gun by Friday, kill someone, go to prison, and never have to worry about insurance again. We have fucked up priorities in this damn country.
Imagine if getting a gun or ammunition was as exhausting and frustrating as going to the DMV or getting insurance.
Imagine if getting a gun or ammunition was as exhausting and frustrating as going to the DMV or getting insurance.
YesNOnoNOYes
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:<
I ... I can't quite understand why so many of these angry men feels naturally entitled to a girlfriend, as if it's an unlockable item in a game or something.
I really dislike /r9k/ and would be pleased to see it closed (or at least competently moderated), but saying that the entire site should be shuttered is pretty ludicrous. Large websites will always have some criminal users, and I think that in this case 4chan is being singled-out due to its image rather than its content.
Our entire culture suggests that women are a prize that men can earn by being good people. This is where the "nice guy syndrome" comes from, and when paired with aggression and instability can lead to horrendously tragic results.
Citadelofmythoughts
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Yeah, I can't imagine why they've gotten a bad image....
JinjoUnchained
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The latest Tropes Vs Women covered this very topic. Her theory was that entertainment traditionally treated women as a literal reward, eg Princess Peach for Mario, cave babes in Joe and Mac, or even sex achievements in God.of War. You succeed as the brave hero, your reward = pussy, like a sports trophy.
Fortunately, kids today have movies like Brave or Frozen that subvert the trope, so check back when that generation grows up.
yep.
People talk about 4chan anonymity being a problem as if there is a significant difference between an anon making a threat and a random gaffer. They've already decided that they like the narrative of blaming 4chan so they run with whatever sticks.
4chan has always co-operated with the authorities and has a direct line of communication with the FBI, the only way you're anonymous on that site is if you're lost in the sheer volume of posts.
How does killing people solve his issue with not having a girlfriend? How can someone truly believe that everyone except themselves were crazy?
brainchild
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Why would an actual crazy person believe that they're crazy? That they would assume that of everyone who isn't in alignment with their worldview sounds par for the course.
Basically, irrationality is to be expected. Crazy people are supposed to not make sense to us, only to themselves.
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