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[Coda]

In an effort to wash the awful taste of those Rare Replay shots out of my mouth, I took a couple of shots of Marvel Vs. Capcom on the Dreamcast, using the Hanzo VGA Box.

These were taken on a shitty LCD monitor (that I can't wait to get rid of) with an iphone, but they still look pretty good:

Random question: How do you like the Hanzo VGA box? I have one of the OG Dreamcast VGA boxes and it looks quite nice so I'm just wondering how much better it looks. I use a scanline generator with it too.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Random question: How do you like the Hanzo VGA box? I have one of the OG Dreamcast VGA boxes and it looks quite nice so I'm just wondering how much better it looks. I use a scanline generator with it too.

I've never used the official Sega VGA box -- only a generic 3rd party one. Compared to that, the Hanzo definitely looks better. And I updated my post with it and have mentioned it in the Dreamcast thread, but the sound outta this thing is incredible. I really had no idea the DC was capable of such good audio.

The shots I took were using the Hanzo's built in scanline generator. So I'm pretty damn pleased with it, all around.

 

[eso76]

The CRT filter in Rare Replay is pretty awesome.

i love CRT filters, but this is a bit too much.
Well, it did look like this when i played MSX games on a very old Nordmende through RF but that was 1984 and even then screen curvature wasn't nearly this much.

From what i remember at least. It's also possible that Rare had the originals running on original CRT's of the time in front of them and accurately replicated what they saw

 

[Peltz]

CRT filters seem so hard to get right. Everyone has a different opinion as to how it should look.

When I go to the arcade nearby, I'm floored at all of the different types of CRTs on display. Some of them don't even have very discernible scanlines. I don't really think there's one "definitively" correct approach to displaying 240p videogames.

 

[Mega]

20M4U, Super Metroid, SNES RGB

Kirby's Adventure, AV Famicom Composite
I know these composite shots aren't the prettiest, but I still vastly prefer this look over emulator stuff. Should have RGB modded system around the end of this month.

 

[FoxSpirit]

CRT filters seem so hard to get right. Everyone has a different opinion as to how it should look.

When I go to the arcade nearby, I'm floored at all of the different types of CRTs on display. Some of them don't even have very discernible scanlines. I don't really think there's one "definitively" correct approach to displaying 240p videogames.

Whatever you want, but with RGB and decent geometry. No need to recreate the worst of the 80s with composite RF on tiny, curved TVs.
Make it look like on a nice monitor from the arcade, pick your poison. Or better, gives us the option to tweak it a bit. But the Rare Replay filter went way overboard, eventhough it's technically great.

 

[baphomet]

A game a lot of you probably never heard of

I think Demon Front is one of the first things I posted on this thread.

 

[Coda]

Whipped out the Dreamcast and VGA box for some Project Justice scanline goodness.

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[eso76]

I think Demon Front is one of the first things I posted on this thread.

lies.
I told you you never heard of it.

 

[Moronwind]

Had this photo lying around.
Castlevania Symphony of the Night running on a PS2 hooked up to a Sony Trinitron KV-29LS40E through RGB SCART.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0lZJaIM.jpg[/IMG]

Can't beat that aperture grille.

 

[drhankmccoyphd]

There's no way to force a PS3 to output 240p through S-video is there?

 

[Peltz]

There's no way to force a PS3 to output 240p through S-video is there?

As far as I know, PS3 does not output at 240p.

 

[sixteen-bit]

for anyone ever wondering why folks want Mika in Street Fighter V

 

[Coda]

Some juicy screenshots I took of Alien Soldier on actual hardware SCART through a component converter box on a Sony WEGA KV-20FS120.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Went back to the Genesis version after playing some of the M2 3DS port. I love the CRT, but I really miss the changes they made in the new version (Gunslinger mode).

 

[TeaJay]

There's no PVM's out here in scandinavia (and trust me, I asked around in TV studios and even hospitals..) but we get consumer CRT's that are pretty good, with scart and RGB. I posted this pic before but it's my Thomson 21MG172 handling a Megadrive via RGB scart. Taken with a camera phone and it looks much better in person.

I also have a 21 inch Trinitron but honestly the picture quality is more or less the same as the Thomson, even though you might not believe it. The scanlines aren't as pronounced or thick as on PVM's, but the image quality is still nice and robust.

 

[Peltz]

Went to a local arcade the other day and snapped a few pics for the thread. All of these shots are from real old school arcade monitors. It doesn't get any more genuine than this:

Joust

Food Fight

Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder

I forgot the name... sorry I was a little drunk

edit:

that's

Escape From The Planet of the Robot Monsters

no wonder you forgot

Thanks

 

[eso76]

I forgot the name... sorry I was a little drunk

that's

Escape From The Planet of the Robot Monsters

no wonder you forgot

 

[Funky Papa]

There are still a couple of arcades left in my city, but I don't even want to go there anymore. The monitors are so busted the colours no longer resemble their former glory, and it's evident the owners are not interested in fixing them. Those poor, poor Hantarex.

Talking about IQ, what would be the best way to get some sweet, sweet scanlines using a old CRT computer monitor? My arcade machine is (mostly) going to be plugged to a computer and I'm not sure if there are other (and better) ways of achieving them besides HLSL.

 

[Peltz]

There are still a couple of arcades left in my city, but I don't even want to go there anymore. The monitors are so busted the colours no longer resemble their former glory, and it's evident the owners are not interested in fixing them. Those poor, poor Hantarex.

Talking about IQ, what would be the best way to get some sweet, sweet scanlines using a old CRT computer monitor? My arcade machine is (mostly) going to be pluggued to a computer and I'm not sure if there are other (and better) ways of achieving them besides HLSL.

Scanlines on a CRT are determined by the vertical lines of resolution. The higher the number, the thicker the black bars between the lines:

600 lines

750 lines

Click to enlarge. As you can see, the less lines you have, the closer you probably get to a consumer set or a typical arcade monitor of the time. But as you add more lines, the scanlines get more pronounced and the image quality arguably improves depending on your tastes.

Some people prefer a softer image for nostalgia, others prefer a more raw/sharp image for clarity. Try to find a monitor capable of taking RGB and outputting 240p natively.

 

[Funky Papa]

Scanlines on a CRT are determined by the vertical lines of resolution. The higher the number, the thicker the black bars between the lines:



Click to enlarge. As you can see, the less lines you have, the closer you probably get to a consumer set or a typical arcade monitor of the time. But as you add more lines, the scanlines get more pronounced and the image quality arguably improves depending on your tastes.

Some people prefer a softer image for nostalgia, others prefer a more raw/sharp image for clarity. Try to find a monitor capable of taking RGB and outputting 240p natively.

Yeah, I mean, I know that. Maybe I should have been more clear about my setup. I intend to use a Dell P1130 monitor, which has a native resolution of 2048 x 1536 @ 80Hz. At 21 inches, there are no real scanlines to speak of, so I'd like to find a way to generate them either by software or using some kind of box. While I'm not a huge fan of huge ass scanlines, I find the image quality of old games very much improved with some mild ones. More than anything else, this is why I lust after the XM29 so much (that and the ability to take VGA video with no issues).

I know that some modern CRT monitors were able to run at real 240p using some frequence trickery, but I'm not sure if that is going to be my case.

 

[Peltz]

Yeah, I mean, I know that. Maybe I should have been more clear about my setup. I intend to use a Dell P1130 monitor, which has a native resolution of 2048 x 1536 @ 80Hz. At 21 inches, there are no real scanlines to speak of, so I'd like to find a way to generate them either by software or using some kind of box. While I'm not a huge fan of huge ass scanlines, I find the image quality of old games very much improved with some mild ones. More than anything else, this is why I lust after the XM29 so much (that and the ability to take VGA video with no issues).

I know that some modern CRT monitors were able to run at real 240p using some frequence trickery, but I'm not sure if that is going to be my case.

Maybe send a PM to Sixfortyfive. I think he rocks that monitor with an XRGB-3, but from what I saw of his photos, there were no scanlines. He also isn't the biggest scanline fan. But he may know whether it's possible to accomplish what you want.

 

[Ramune]

Moved in to my new place.Right now I have my Saturn hooked up so I figured I would take a few pics of THE game that made me say "Yes...these video games are my hobby", Outrun. This is the JP Saturn Sega Ages release. I was blown away that you can actually have it's attract mode do full on arcade mode! My 8 year old self would have been giddy as heck to have anything THIS close to arcade perfect back then....

P.S. Monitor is a Olympus OEV203 (Rebranded Sony PVM-20M2MDU)

 

[sixteen-bit]

Love those Outrun pics, Ramune. My favorite game ever!
Saturn port is still my favorite home port (Testarossa instead of the generic car like Shenmue or 3DS 3D classic versions).

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Fuckin' around with Game boy interface on Gamecube/Game Boy Player for 240p

 

[Ramune]

Love those Outrun pics, Ramune. My favorite game ever!
Saturn port is still my favorite home port (Testarossa instead of the generic car like Shenmue or 3DS 3D classic versions).

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Fuckin' around with Game boy interface on Gamecube/Game Boy Player for 240p

Thanks 16-bit! Yeah, it was hard picking a NES back then since I wanted a home version of Outrun bad. And I can't wait for my SD Loader to get here so I can do the same! So many games I need to get back to.....

 

[ResidentDante]

for anyone ever wondering why folks want Mika in Street Fighter V

Get your scanlined ass in the fight!

Loving this thread in general guys. So many lovely 240p pics with scanlines!

 

[4444244]

I found this somehow on a google search for something else (I don't know what it was I was searching for), anyway, this is glorious;

Source: - with in depth discussion over CRT images.
http://postback.geedorah.com/foros/viewtopic.php?id=600&p=2

 

[Alo81]

I found this somehow on a google search for something else (I don't know what it was I was searching for), anyway, this is glorious;

Source: - with in depth discussion over CRT images.
http://postback.geedorah.com/foros/viewtopic.php?id=600&p=2

I got real excited until I realized it wasn't a shader. That looks rad tho

 

[Wutex]

Looks a lot like CRT_Lottes without halation though, what kind of monitor is it?

(Screenshot is CRT_Lottes with halation)

 

[sixteen-bit]

close-up on Volgarr (Dreamcast)

 

[baphomet]

close-up on Volgarr (Dreamcast)

So it is 240p? I was actually wondering about that when I saw it.

 

[sixteen-bit]

So it is 240p? I was actually wondering about that when I saw it.

Nah, defo 480i over RGB I'm afraid.

you could probably get a consistent scanline look through an SLG or something though

 

[Peltz]

Hey guys, I just beat TMNT3 at a local arcade. Here's a pic straight from the arcade cabinet:

click to enlarge

Edit: Yep, I meant TMNT2: Turtles in Time. Thanks Timu for the correction. As usual, I had a few drinks while playing

 

[Timu]

Hey guys, I just beat TMNT3 at a local arcade. Here's a pic straight from the arcade cabinet:

You mean TMNT2(or TMNT Turtles in Time), also, nice pic!!!

 

[Peltz]

Same trip to the arcade... I have one more shot. Sadly, I don't remember the exact game it's from... I think it's Marvel Superheroes from Capcom?

 

[missile]

Yeah, I mean, I know that. Maybe I should have been more clear about my setup. I intend to use a Dell P1130 monitor, which has a native resolution of 2048 x 1536 @ 80Hz. At 21 inches, there are no real scanlines to speak of, so I'd like to find a way to generate them either by software or using some kind of box. While I'm not a huge fan of huge ass scanlines, I find the image quality of old games very much improved with some mild ones. More than anything else, this is why I lust after the XM29 so much (that and the ability to take VGA video with no issues). ...

Ideally you would have to factor in the viewing distance as well to get optimal results.
Just saying.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Same trip to the arcade... I have one more shot. Sadly, I don't remember the exact game it's from... I think it's Marvel Superheroes from Capcom?

Probably Marvel Super Heroes. I guess it could be MvC1 also, but it looks like the background betrays that.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

jesus christ this thread is porn for gaming at this point. so fucking beautiful

 

[Peltz]

Using Ultra Low Latency GBI + GB Player, I can finally play Mario Golf on my CRT with 100% accurate timing and razor sharp 240p

 

[Bancho]

Not posted in this thread for a while! Shame on me.

A few shots of a 20m4e

 

[sixteen-bit]

great Comix Zone shots!

some Sonic 2 hype over RGB on Genesis ahead of this week's 3DS release

 

[Dicer]

Just a quick "shitty" screencap

 

[Peltz]

What game is that from?

 

[Dicer]

What game is that from?

Kato and Ken Chan, aka J.J. and Jeff in the US

PC Engine/TG16

Tough as nails platformer, good stuff.

 

[TheMoon]

great Comix Zone shots!

some Sonic 2 hype over RGB on Genesis ahead of this week's 3DS release

Sonic has never looked this good.

 

[Vespa]

Man, I love this thread. You guys are all awesome.

 

[Mega]

Using Ultra Low Latency GBI + GB Player, I can finally play Mario Golf on my CRT with 100% accurate timing and razor sharp 240p

I can almost never see your screenshots. Nothing shows!

 

[Peltz]

I can almost never see your screenshots. Nothing shows!

? What do you see

 

[Vitet]

About new indie games that overlook this, Locomalito normally uses scanlines on his games

Maldita Castilla

 

[Funky Papa]

Loco Malito is good people. Bless him.