Whole milk is bad for you. No wait it's good for you. Umm...¯\_()_/¯ (Wapo article)
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zeopower6
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Obesity levels in children are probably more of a thing due to a lack of physical activity. You think people didn't drink whole milk daily decades ago?
Megawarrior
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Whole Milk makes me go to the bathroom repeatedly so I don't drink it. I like 2% tho.
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I drink close to a gallon of whole white every day...I'm fine.
DoktorEvil
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How many kids that you know drink several glasses of milk that wasn't an infant or under the age of 3?
Way to ruin my day =(
maximum360
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Lactaid whole milk for the win. It's the best.
hell ye, wont drink any other. no way.
a... gallon...wow and i thought my dad drank a lot of it..
davepoobond
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drink water instead, i hear it is unanimously healthy
meitantei_conan
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You need vitamin D to properly absorb calcium too. Low or no fat milk is essentially expensive water.
I think the jury is still out on that one. Stay tuned.
Ran Echelon
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Whole milk is too creamy, skimmed milk is like flavored water.
Semi-skimmed is where it's at.
Semi-skimmed is where it's at.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
Oh this again.
It's not as essential as the dairy board makes it seem. Neither is it bad for you. It's like everything else we eat or drink.
I like skim milk better, but that's a personal preference.
It's not as essential as the dairy board makes it seem. Neither is it bad for you. It's like everything else we eat or drink.
I like skim milk better, but that's a personal preference.
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I'm doing a Semi-Gomad
Drinking close to a gallon a day.
Went from 136 to 150lbs in 3-4 weeks.
I drink about 5 pints between 8am and 3pm.
And about a quart at dinner.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
I avoid milk altogether.
I eat calcium rich vegetables and other food sources.
I eat calcium rich vegetables and other food sources.
This article is weird. It goes from ragging on about the milk advice being wrong, to the argument that the guidelines of consuming less saturated fats is wrong because most people replaced them with carbs instead of being responsible. Then it goes back to being about milk.
Yeah, if your take away from the consume less saturated fats message is to swap all fats for carbs, and look out for "low fat" processed foods, obviously you're not gonna see much difference in your health. Food companies adopt quickly to the health advice and trends, they'll just as easily replace things out of vogue with equally bad things so they can slap a "LOW IN ***!" badge on the front.
Perhaps the real lesson to be learned here is better educate about health and less generalisations like "eat less fat!" And also, eat less processed foods but if you are choosing processed foods, read the nutrition labels, not the marketing on the front.
Full cream milk can probably be part of a balanced diet. As can low fat milk. The keyword is balanced. Replacing fats with more carbs is not balanced.
Yeah, if your take away from the consume less saturated fats message is to swap all fats for carbs, and look out for "low fat" processed foods, obviously you're not gonna see much difference in your health. Food companies adopt quickly to the health advice and trends, they'll just as easily replace things out of vogue with equally bad things so they can slap a "LOW IN ***!" badge on the front.
Perhaps the real lesson to be learned here is better educate about health and less generalisations like "eat less fat!" And also, eat less processed foods but if you are choosing processed foods, read the nutrition labels, not the marketing on the front.
Full cream milk can probably be part of a balanced diet. As can low fat milk. The keyword is balanced. Replacing fats with more carbs is not balanced.
I think people weren't consuming refined carbohydrates and sugars in the quantities in which they do today, definitely. Milk isn't the problem, but when looking at the diet as a whole it's just another component that is mostly sugar.
I don't put much stock in anecdotal evidence, but I do see it a lot amongst my cousins. They pour it on their sugary cereal in the morning, it's given to them at lunch at school, as a drink before bed – that's a lot of milk.
not psycho
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Whole milk is good but not good enough. I drink nothing but chocolate pudding.
Over the last few years I've basically gotten to the point of throwing my hands up. Honestly I just can't get a beat on what my diet should be.
It's beyond frustrating.
Be careful with fats. But wait fats are actually fine. Hold off on the butter but wait maybe that's ok. Omega 3 fatty acids are good but wait maybe they aren't so great. Protein is good but oh yeah it can be bad for your kidneys and liver. Be careful of the carbs but oh that Greek diet which is heavy on carbs is the best one. Same with the Japanese one with rice. But be careful on the carbs. Red meat is bad but it's not as bad as we thought. Then again maybe it is. Chicken and fish are good but don't eat meat every day. Fruits are fine but be careful Because It can be bad for your pancreas. Nuts are great but maybe not that great. Eggs are fine but maybe not too fine. Worry about cholesterol, don't worry too much.
It's fucking exhausting trying to mentally square up all the contradictory evidence out there.
It's beyond frustrating.
Be careful with fats. But wait fats are actually fine. Hold off on the butter but wait maybe that's ok. Omega 3 fatty acids are good but wait maybe they aren't so great. Protein is good but oh yeah it can be bad for your kidneys and liver. Be careful of the carbs but oh that Greek diet which is heavy on carbs is the best one. Same with the Japanese one with rice. But be careful on the carbs. Red meat is bad but it's not as bad as we thought. Then again maybe it is. Chicken and fish are good but don't eat meat every day. Fruits are fine but be careful Because It can be bad for your pancreas. Nuts are great but maybe not that great. Eggs are fine but maybe not too fine. Worry about cholesterol, don't worry too much.
It's fucking exhausting trying to mentally square up all the contradictory evidence out there.
Everything in moderation. Just have a balanced diet and exercise, I can guarantee you will be fine and you won't need to waste mental stamina either.
Why don't be we just throw out cow's milk as a whole and drink breast milk? I hear it's all the rage.
At the end of the day though you have to make choices. Trade offs. Pick and choose. And your choices have consequences. Or they don't.... Depends on the study. Maybe I just listen to the one that says genetics are the largest determinant? Or eating too much X, y, or z. Or who the fuck knows.
Eat food*; mostly plants; not too much.
* Food meaning stuff that haven't been processed anymore than necessary when you bought it.
Yeah I've read Michael Pollan. It's nice general advice. But I also weight lift and excercise. So now where do I go? I need protein and energy but there is plenty of mixed evidence on protein. How much, how little. What is quality, what isn't. Long term what are the consequences?
It gets a lot messier the more you dig into it and narrow down your lifestyle..
It's not messy. Drink lots of water. Lift heavy weights. Drink more water. Eat ridiculous amounts of veggies. Stay around 0.8lbs of protein per lb of body weight. Get quality sleep.
darkwing-buck
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what the fuck
krameriffic
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Pretty much my response to every contradictory post on NeoGAF about fitness and healthy eating.
LiquidSword
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It's by a performance artist. I went down an internet hole looking at this guys work lol. His name is Nate Hill
poppabk
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It's not so much lobbying as it is food companies adapting to whatever guidelines are put out there. Candy is labeled as 'fat free' like it is somehow good for you. Fruit juice becomes a daily serving of fruit. If you give complex instructions people don't follow them, if you give simple instructions then 'bad' stuff is labeled as good. It's a lose/lose situation.
entremet
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Almond I'll cosign, but it tastes like garbage compared to milk.
And I will never drink soy milk ever.
I won't argue there, I hate the taste of most almond milks. I've found the only decent ones are the unsweetened vanilla options, and even those can get weird.
Soy is amazing though. A lot of the negativity towards Soy was created as a propaganda campaign by the panicked dairy industry. "Oh the Fido-Estrogen causes breast cancer in women and manboobs on men!" When standard dairy milk has regular estrogen, which does all the same shit only worse. I don't understand the negative stigma associated with Soy Milk. It tastes amazing.
Almond milk just tastes like water to me. Tastes kinda gross to have with cereal or in a milkshake.
Isn't that shit kind of high in estrogen and bad for men long term or am I thinking of Soy milk?
entremet
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Can't stand the taste of soy either.
Cow's milk is delicious.
I also try to stay away from industrialized soy products, which are everywhere. I don't mind traditional soy--like tofu.
Always-honest
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Well, i don't drink milk. But my son does. What should i give him?
A vegetarian restaurant in town does soy-everything products. Soy chicken, soy beef, soy pork. Ended up absolutely loving it and basically being able to have anything on the menu. However soy milk still comes off as weird. It's truly a conundrum.
entremet
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Anything but skim. You need some fat to absorb the vitamins it's fortified with.
Whole or 2 percent. I find that 2 percent is the sweet spot for many, though. Whole may be too creamy for many.
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