Is this guy who played Smash for a year the most dominant eSports player in history?
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Mihael Mello Keehl
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My goodness... LOL
free for all competition 👀👀
Flash was dominant to a point we'll never see again, but in fighting game terms ZerO is doing pretty well for himself.
This big?
Smash hasn't reached that high numbers compared to LoL, DotA, CS:GO, Hearthstone.
LoL has surpassed SC:BW.
Where Brood Wars was only great in South Korea, LoL is just like that, but the entire world.
I believe melee at least does comparable numbers to the CS:GO one for majors.
BumblebeeCody
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itFar from it. Especially when you take the rest of the world into consideration. Justin Wong is up tere but Korea has some of the worlds best and prominent players. They love eSports. It's a national sport.
Sanctuary
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It's as though Star Craft doesn't exist or something.
Does he actually play anything other than Smash? Just because it was at EVO ($$$) doesn't make it a fighting game, no matter how hard the millenials cry for it to be. Competitive party game? Sure.
Shining Sunshine
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KidA Seven
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I hope you guys aren't using how many players play a game and equating that to the amount of skill it takes to compete at the highest level. Halo had a lot of players online during Halo 2 and the first year or two of Halo 3, but it's not like all of those players were indicative of its competitive scene.
Viewers aren't indicative either as most of them are probably scrubs.
It's hard to compare players across genres or games.
Viewers aren't indicative either as most of them are probably scrubs.
It's hard to compare players across genres or games.
I lliterally cannot believe this. Smash Bros has deeper mechanics than most other modern fighting games. What's the problem with calling it a fighting game? It fits the exact literal definition of a fighting game.
Shining Sunshine
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I consider it a party platformer.
Yeah. I mean Mario Kart made it at EVO once. No one ever considers it a fighter.
I think the best a fighting game ever did was 230k or so.
He might not know about half of those game scenes, which is why he is asking GAF to see if there have been more dominant players in those scenes. He didn't closely examine every great player in every single e-sport since 1970 and come up with the conclusion that Zero was the greatest player of all time, that's not what this thread is about.
Sanctuary
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How many people that actually believe this play anything other than Smash games as their "fighter"?
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...nt-fighting-genre-and-value-unpredictability/
ãInaba Residentã
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I don't play Smash beyond a casual level but Melee is pretty insane. And I think Smash is a fighting game. It's not a traditional one, but it is. Smash has many labels and they all fit.
Lols then its not even close, peak is probably one tenth.
Congrats on the mental gymnastics required to categorise Smash Bros alongside something like 4-player Mario Bros Wii/3D World rather than, you know, any 2D fighting game.
Have you ever watched a single set of Melee?
curlyfriski
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I don't know how you can compare "best" when they're playing different games. In terms of dominance, though, Zero is way ahead of Mango and Armada.
Shining Sunshine
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EndlessSky
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Lol. If Ono said SF wasn't a fighting game, would that make it not a fighter? Smash is clearly a fighting game, just doesn't have the exact same mechanics as a traditional one.
KZXcellent
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A vast majority of "Smash isn't a fighting game" posts always end up coming up so they can ignore the deep mechanics and skill required to be good at the game. The game's have gone so much further than what Sakurai intended. It's a different type of fighting game.
Shuggananas
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Faker started competing in 2013.
Never heard of him
Shining Sunshine
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It's primarily a platformer, and it's a 4 player party game.
So, yeah, it does fit that category. It's in the same vein as Power Stones in my mind.
Shuggananas
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Smash is a fighting game and you'd have to be pretty stupid and in denial to categorize it as a party platformer
I feel like people who say smash is just a party game, have very little understanding of competitive smash's mechanic compared to other fighting games.
LonelyGreyWolf
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That's a damn impressive win streak by the guy in the OP, but didn't most of the elite Smash players either quit or stick to Melee? Almost all of the old masters stopped playing many years ago, and they had some insane skill. The Smash documentary is a good watch.
The OP just wanted to recognize Zero's achievements and wonder if anyone else has also been insanely dominant. He never said that everyone else is a worse competitor.
Shining Sunshine
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I didn't say it isn't a fighting game, but party platformer comes first in my mind.
Nintendo never built this game originally for eSports. They intended it for a bunch of young children to have fun together.
Saying it isn't a party platform is even less true than saying it isn't a 2d fighter.
Sanctuary
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Reread the thread title.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Do you know what this means? Because I dont
Being ignorant to Smash's high level fighting mechanics this much...
He's asking a question, he's not making any form of statement in the title.
Shuggananas
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cool title change
"Zero is the most dominant eSports player in history"
"Is Zero the most dominant eSports player in history?"
Those two sentences don't mean the same thing.
And I still don't think you've watched a single set of competitive Smash. Watch a random set like this and tell me that Smash is just a party game.
It's primarily a fighting game (as is Power Stone), seeing as the primary goal is defeating Human/CPU opponents using a suite of melee/ranged combat moves. How is it primarily a platformer when 99% of how the game is played has little to do with platforming?
Capcom did not build Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo for "esports", but here we are.
Smash is the series, not a game. Say Melee and Smash 4/Sm4sh because the differences are huge.
Shining Sunshine
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Being ignorant to Smash's high level fighting mechanics this much...
I'm not ignorant to the HIGHER fighting mechanics in other fighting games, and EVEN HIGHER skill mechanics in other genres.
If you want to praise Smash, more power to you. I'll watch something more interesting.
Uh have you played Smash? Are you not jumping platform to platform?
The whole goal of the game is to stay on the platforms.
Prototype Viktor
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stupid Faker couldn't be playing sooner being underage and sht
The conversation of whether smash is a fighting game or a party game is a completely pointless one. What matter is how the players approach the game, and what they do with tools their given. I wouldn't say how smash players approach their game and traditional fighting game players approach theirs is not that far off.
Shuggananas
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It's funny you'd say that
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/SumaiL
Started comp this year, won DAC and TI5
Flash was a pro and played on TV at 14, so what's your point?
Too many people in this thread have no clue...