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It's the NAS (Network Attached Storage) Thread, yo.

Is the Drobo the only solution out there where you can easily drop a new drive into expand the overall storage without having to do a bunch of additional work?

With only 512GB of storage in my Mac Pro, it's time to invest in some proper external storage. I'm definitely looking for an off-the-shelf product (rather than building a PC for this) and it needs to work over either USB 3 or (preferably) Thunderbolt as Backblaze will allow me to back it up if it's connected directly to the computer (rather than network). Any suggestions?

You can technically do that in some of the standard raid levels, but it is usually considered unsafe and not worth the hassle. It's best just to add disks in mirrored pairs at least.

Drobo pays for its convenience heavily in both performance and data redundancy though, so I would not recommend that unless you have no other option.

Have you considered iSCSI to connect the NAS to the machine as a local drive instead of a network share? It would drastically increase your options instead of requiring USB or thunderbolt. I've never done iSCSI on mac, but it should work fine for what you need it to do. There may be some weirdness with mounting the iSCSI extent on the nas itself if you are using the NAS as a server as well, but if you are just using it as storage, then it is trivial to set up. I use an iSCSI extent as a shared DVR hard drive for two windows media center HTPCs, and both windows pcs see the drive as a local drive with no issues and the performance of gigabit ethernet is great.

Most Synology boxes support iSCSI, and Synology is what I'd suggest if you absolutely have to get an out of the box solution.
 
If you really don't need the features of a NAS, you can save money by getting going with a RAID-enabled DAS unit. If speed is a concern try to get Firewire (Thunderbolt is still pretty rare) over USB 3.0, the protocol that USB uses is pretty terrible for storage unless it has UASP.

They will lack a RAID6 option so i would probably go with mirrors, RAID5 just isnt a very safe option these days.

But paying a little more and going with a NAS with iSCSI support like iamblades suggested is a good option.
 
You can technically do that in some of the standard raid levels, but it is usually considered unsafe and not worth the hassle. It's best just to add disks in mirrored pairs at least.

Drobo pays for its convenience heavily in both performance and data redundancy though, so I would not recommend that unless you have no other option.

Have you considered iSCSI to connect the NAS to the machine as a local drive instead of a network share? It would drastically increase your options instead of requiring USB or thunderbolt. I've never done iSCSI on mac, but it should work fine for what you need it to do. There may be some weirdness with mounting the iSCSI extent on the nas itself if you are using the NAS as a server as well, but if you are just using it as storage, then it is trivial to set up. I use an iSCSI extent as a shared DVR hard drive for two windows media center HTPCs, and both windows pcs see the drive as a local drive with no issues and the performance of gigabit ethernet is great.

Most Synology boxes support iSCSI, and Synology is what I'd suggest if you absolutely have to get an out of the box solution.

If you really don't need the features of a NAS, you can save money by getting going with a RAID-enabled DAS unit. If speed is a concern try to get Firewire (Thunderbolt is still pretty rare) over USB 3.0, the protocol that USB uses is pretty terrible for storage unless it has UASP.

They will lack a RAID6 option so i would probably go with mirrors, RAID5 just isnt a very safe option these days.

But paying a little more and going with a NAS with iSCSI support like iamblades suggested is a good option.

I could probably do iSCSI from the NAS to the machine as a local drive. Backblaze would recognize it as a local drive and back it up with no issue. Firewire is not an option, however, as there are no Firewire ports on the machine. (It's the latest model Mac Pro so there's 4 USB 3, 6 Thunderbolt 2 and 2 Gigabit Ethernet ports.)

I'd like to stick to an out of the box solution that way I have something that's already tried and tested while saving some physical space. It'll primarily be storing large libraries of stuff that I wouldn't be able to fit on my system drive (photos, movies, music, etc), including my iTunes Library to serve up the media to other devices in the house.
 
I need some NAS advice...

I'm a freelance photographer and I'm getting more serious jobs lately so I really want to have a legit back up set-up.

Currently I use Time Machine on my MBP to back up everything that is currently on my Mac.

I also have a hard drive that I put up my 2014 and older photos onto (not enough space on my MBP to store anymore than the current year). So I only have ONE copy of these photos and I don't want to play with fire any longer.

what would be a decent set-up to invest into? I think it would be cool to have a networked situation where I could back up over Wifi. Not sure how reliable that is or what I should buy.

can an Airport Extreme work with Windows computer as well? I'm actually thinking of selling my MBP and getting a Surface Pro 4. So something that would work with both Macs and Windows (even if I sell mine, my GF has an iMac and it would be nice to backup here machine as well, though she doesn't have many local files and mainly used Google Drive for work stuff).

I would like to back up my computer (either Surface or MBP and an iMac) and also have redundant copies of my older photos. A years worth of photos is around 110 GB for me now, but will probably increase as I'm taking more photos each year and may upgrade my camera in the near future which would mean larger photo files.

I just bought the Google OnHub router as I'm moving into a new home soon and wanted a strong router to reach the entire house. I read reviews that the top speeds with the OnHub aren't that great (could be solved with a software update), but it has really nice range good for a home. I didn't move into the home yet and can still return it if there's a better option.

alternatively though, my photos are the big thing that takes up storage for me, so maybe I should just buy into an online storage option?
 
well I'm reading bit about the Airport Extreme and it sounds like it may be the easiest way to do things. Good range and speed. Compatible with any device.

It only has on USB port though, so I could only attach one external HD? I guess I could get something like a 5 TB HD and hook it in, but I would want two backups of everything...
 
I need some NAS advice...

I'm a freelance photographer and I'm getting more serious jobs lately so I really want to have a legit back up set-up.

Currently I use Time Machine on my MBP to back up everything that is currently on my Mac.

I also have a hard drive that I put up my 2014 and older photos onto (not enough space on my MBP to store anymore than the current year). So I only have ONE copy of these photos and I don't want to play with fire any longer.

what would be a decent set-up to invest into? I think it would be cool to have a networked situation where I could back up over Wifi. Not sure how reliable that is or what I should buy.

can an Airport Extreme work with Windows computer as well? I'm actually thinking of selling my MBP and getting a Surface Pro 4. So something that would work with both Macs and Windows (even if I sell mine, my GF has an iMac and it would be nice to backup here machine as well, though she doesn't have many local files and mainly used Google Drive for work stuff).

I would like to back up my computer (either Surface or MBP and an iMac) and also have redundant copies of my older photos. A years worth of photos is around 110 GB for me now, but will probably increase as I'm taking more photos each year and may upgrade my camera in the near future which would mean larger photo files.

I just bought the Google OnHub router as I'm moving into a new home soon and wanted a strong router to reach the entire house. I read reviews that the top speeds with the OnHub aren't that great (could be solved with a software update), but it has really nice range good for a home. I didn't move into the home yet and can still return it if there's a better option.

alternatively though, my photos are the big thing that takes up storage for me, so maybe I should just buy into an online storage option?

What you really want to do is setup a NAS that can do automatic backup of your computers and also back that up to offsite storage such as Crash Plan. Having that all done on the NAS side is the ideal way to go. Going with an Airport Extreme won't let you do that.
 
What you really want to do is setup a NAS that can do automatic backup of your computers and also back that up to offsite storage such as Crash Plan. Having that all done on the NAS side is the ideal way to go. Going with an Airport Extreme won't let you do that.

yeah something something 3-2-1 - have 3 copies of your data in 2 different formats and 1 copy off site somewhere

i can vouch for crashplan too, although if you opt for a headless config for the NAS be prepared for it to get borked once in a while when code42 push out an update

i'd say invest in a NAS and backup from your laptop to there, then backup the NAS to a cloud backup service like crashplan. and maybe take a look at google photos as one more avenue since its free
 
ok for an NAS what is the recommendation?

I know Drobo is pretty well known in this space, but it looks like the Western Digital My Cloud EX 2 might be better price-wise? I don't need any super advanced features, really just looking for 2 local backups and maybe an online one.
 
I need some NAS advice...

I'm a freelance photographer and I'm getting more serious jobs lately so I really want to have a legit back up set-up.

Currently I use Time Machine on my MBP to back up everything that is currently on my Mac.

I also have a hard drive that I put up my 2014 and older photos onto (not enough space on my MBP to store anymore than the current year). So I only have ONE copy of these photos and I don't want to play with fire any longer.

what would be a decent set-up to invest into? I think it would be cool to have a networked situation where I could back up over Wifi. Not sure how reliable that is or what I should buy.

can an Airport Extreme work with Windows computer as well? I'm actually thinking of selling my MBP and getting a Surface Pro 4. So something that would work with both Macs and Windows (even if I sell mine, my GF has an iMac and it would be nice to backup here machine as well, though she doesn't have many local files and mainly used Google Drive for work stuff).

I would like to back up my computer (either Surface or MBP and an iMac) and also have redundant copies of my older photos. A years worth of photos is around 110 GB for me now, but will probably increase as I'm taking more photos each year and may upgrade my camera in the near future which would mean larger photo files.

I just bought the Google OnHub router as I'm moving into a new home soon and wanted a strong router to reach the entire house. I read reviews that the top speeds with the OnHub aren't that great (could be solved with a software update), but it has really nice range good for a home. I didn't move into the home yet and can still return it if there's a better option.

alternatively though, my photos are the big thing that takes up storage for me, so maybe I should just buy into an online storage option?

If you're doing more pro stuff, be stricter about deleting photos you aren't processing to keep the size down. Also check out http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/lightroom-backup-strategies-5/

You'd probably want two local copies so your work isn't interrupted in case of a drive failure, and one offsite backup at a minimum. Not entirely sure of the best way logistically to handle offsite backups - maybe crash plan or just rotate the backup drives and store at your office or a family/friends house I guess. That takes discipline though whereas other backups can be automated.
 
ok for an NAS what is the recommendation?

I know Drobo is pretty well known in this space, but it looks like the Western Digital My Cloud EX 2 might be better price-wise? I don't need any super advanced features, really just looking for 2 local backups and maybe an online one.
Synology and Qnap, or build your own with freenas. Don't buy the Seagate Blackarmor stuff.

A 2x2tb Synology is cheaper than the WD solution.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G9X5NFO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
If you're doing more pro stuff, be stricter about deleting photos you aren't processing to keep the size down. Also check out http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complete-picture-with-julieanne-kost/lightroom-backup-strategies-5/

You'd probably want two local copies so your work isn't interrupted in case of a drive failure, and one offsite backup at a minimum.

awesome, I'll watch that after work today. Yea 2 local backups and one offsite is what I'm aiming for.

Synology and Qnap, or build your own with freenas. Don't buy the Seagate Blackarmor stuff.

A 2x2tb Synology is cheaper than the WD solution.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G9X5NFO/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Nice. So if I get a Synology, I will plug it into my router and I can set it to make backups every night of my computer? And then something like Crashplan can be set to do an offsite backup of the drive in the Synology? Since my MBP only has a 512 GB SSD, can I do something like backup everything from my Mac on both drives, and then use the extra space for my old photos?

what is the best router to do this? I'm moving into a new house. 2 floors and a basement so range is important.
 
Asus ac66 or ac68. I have a 66 because I couldn't justify the extra cost for limited potential extra speed, and everything except mobile devices are hard wired anyway.
 
Nice. So if I get a Synology, I will plug it into my router and I can set it to make backups every night of my computer? And then something like Crashplan can be set to do an offsite backup of the drive in the Synology? Since my MBP only has a 512 GB SSD, can I do something like backup everything from my Mac on both drives, and then use the extra space for my old photos?

Yep.

what is the best router to do this? I'm moving into a new house. 2 floors and a basement so range is important.

I personally use a Netgear Nighthawk R7000 and the range on it is amazing. I've got a pretty large two story house and it fixed my range and coverage issues from my old router. I would never have guessed changing a router could have that dramatic of a difference on range. An Asus AC68 is also one that gets highly recommended and you can get them for like $25 through TMobile if you use them for your cell phone.
 
ok for an NAS what is the recommendation?

I know Drobo is pretty well known in this space, but it looks like the Western Digital My Cloud EX 2 might be better price-wise? I don't need any super advanced features, really just looking for 2 local backups and maybe an online one.

I've owned both Synology and QNAP (currently have a QNAP). Both are solid, Synology probably has a better suite of apps on mobile if you want to be able to do a lot of stuff via apps on iOS or Android. I currently have a QNAP because some of their higher end NAS offer more powerful processors and I didn't feel like building my own.
 
I unfortunately need help again. :(

After having looked at Google I can't find a solution. I can't access my NAS or the shared network folder I created. It simply won't accept the connection and gives me this message:

The device or resource (IP address) is not set up to accept connections on port "The File and printer sharing (SMB)".

I recently connected a wireless printer but it is not connected anymore. So I take it, that it have made a mess of my connection to my NAS. Do any of you fine people know how I can solve this?
 
thanks everyone!

I think I will probably go for the 2x3 TB Synology NAS. Might just go with the Airport Extreme router so it looks nice in the new home unless there's some stupid limitation with it?
 
I do notice that ever since I set up the printer yesterday it has been doing this.
It feels like I have been trying everything. Sometimes it connects and then drops out.
Feeling frustrated. :(

I have also gotten this error code: 0x80070035
 
I do notice that ever since I set up the printer yesterday it has been doing this.
It feels like I have been trying everything. Sometimes it connects and then drops out.
Feeling frustrated. :(

I have also gotten this error code: 0x80070035

i looked a bit online (there are tons of results for that error so try scouring through google). one result from netgear forums said it had to do with an add-on, and disabling it resolved it. might be worth a shot
 
I have a d-link router though.
I just tried disconnecting my pride from the network and that made the NAS and shared network folder available.. Until they disconnected again.

I'm going to bed, super frustrated.
 
thanks everyone!

I think I will probably go for the 2x3 TB Synology NAS. Might just go with the Airport Extreme router so it looks nice in the new home unless there's some stupid limitation with it?
Personally, I find it painful to configure Airports. I, like the other poster above, have Netgear Nighthawk, and it's amazing.

I owned an asus AC router, but found it unreliable. (When you lose power on mine, you have to reflash from emergency recovery mode.)

Synology is releasing what looks to be a good router soon, if you're interested in waiting that one out. https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/RT1900ac#availability
 
I just tried reinstalling Windows 10, and I'm still having problems. I completely turned off Windows Defender and my Norton Antivirus software doesn't seem to be installed anymore. I tried rebooting my DS 411j NAS, restarting the router and nothing works.

I'm getting super frustrated and I'm not going to bed tonight until I have fixed this.

It all started, when I connected my WiFi printer.

=;(
 
well I got an Airport Extreme. It was on sale at Best Buy plus I had a 10% off USPS mover's coupon. I know MultiCore said it's a pain but it seems to review well on speed and range plus it looks good (honestly part of my buying decision as I just bought a house w/ my GF).

I think my plan is to get the 2x3 TB Synology NAS:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G9X5NFO/?tag=neogaf0e-20

question about using files on a NAS.

If I store RAW files from my camera and want to edit them in Lightroom over my NAS, what kind of performance would I see? I guess it may depend on what strength of WIFI I'm getting, but assume I have a nice, solid connection. Would editing photos feel different than editing them on the local SSD drive in my laptop? Or would there be a noticeable lag?
 
If I store RAW files from my camera and want to edit them in Lightroom over my NAS, what kind of performance would I see? I guess it may depend on what strength of WIFI I'm getting, but assume I have a nice, solid connection. Would editing photos feel different than editing them on the local SSD drive in my laptop? Or would there be a noticeable lag?

It's slower even over gigabit ethernet. (I'm pretty sure part of it is due to LR's inefficicy. ACDSee doesn't have as much problem.) My workflow is that I make a temp backup of photos first and do all my editing on local SSD drive. Once that's done I move the folder to NAS location and delete the temp backup. Future edits, I just take the hit and edit over the network. I will not do it over WiFi unless it's AC connection. It's way too slow for my 24MB raw files.
 
I just tried reinstalling Windows 10, and I'm still having problems. I completely turned off Windows Defender and my Norton Antivirus software doesn't seem to be installed anymore. I tried rebooting my DS 411j NAS, restarting the router and nothing works.

I'm getting super frustrated and I'm not going to bed tonight until I have fixed this.

It all started, when I connected my WiFi printer.

=;(

I had problems accessing my synology on a clean Windows 10 install too.

Do this:

Launch the "Credential Manager" in Windows 10 (search for it in the start menu)
- Open "Windows Credentials"
- Click "Add a Windows credential"
- Internet or Network Address: servername (replace with the Netbios-name of your cloudstation, or use IP)
- User name: servernameusername (replace with netbios-name and the username you are connecting with)
- Password: Self-explanitory


Thank me(or the guy I stole those directions from) later.




Furureman, I store RAW(5D2) pics on my NAS. It's not bad, but clearly SSD will be much better.

If you're using Lightroom, it doesn't like storing the catalog on a network drive. I have over a TB of photos on the NAS, and I like the performance.
 
It's slower even over gigabit ethernet. (I'm pretty sure part of it is due to LR's inefficicy. ACDSee doesn't have as much problem.) My workflow is that I make a temp backup of photos first and do all my editing on local SSD drive. Once that's done I move the folder to NAS location and delete the temp backup. Future edits, I just take the hit and edit over the network. I will not do it over WiFi unless it's AC connection. It's way too slow for my 24MB raw files.

cool cool. Thanks.

just so I understand... so you get back from taking photos. You load them on your computer's local drive, do all you edits and then when you are done you move everything to your NAS. Then you delete them off your computer.

what about backing up your NAS? do you make two copies on the NAS on two different drives in case one of the HDs fails? or do a cloud back up?
 
Furureman, I store RAW(5D2) pics on my NAS. It's not bad, but clearly SSD will be much better.

If you're using Lightroom, it doesn't like storing the catalog on a network drive. I have over a TB of photos on the NAS, and I like the performance.

I have a 5D2 also.

why do you say Lightroom doesn't like storing on a network drive but you like the performance? and what do you do about a redundant back up of what is on your NAS?
 
what about backing up your NAS? do you make two copies on the NAS on two different drives in case one of the HDs fails? or do a cloud back up?
If that's what you want, just run RAID 1 instead of trying to make 2 copies inside the NAS.

I have a 5 bay, and just run Synology Hybrid Raid. I have a crashplan account, and an external 5tb drive for my backups.

I have a 5D2 also.

why do you say Lightroom doesn't like storing on a network drive but you like the performance? and what do you do about a redundant back up of what is on your NAS?
Lightroom literally won't let you run a catalog from a regular network share. If I remember correctly, it didn't let me run it from a mapped share either.

So I store the catalog on a local drive, and have all the photos on the NAS. It seems to work well for me. That said, it's all for personal use. If you're doing this for work or business, I'd edit locally and move them later too.
 
cool cool. Thanks.

just so I understand... so you get back from taking photos. You load them on your computer's local drive, do all you edits and then when you are done you move everything to your NAS. Then you delete them off your computer.

what about backing up your NAS? do you make two copies on the NAS on two different drives in case one of the HDs fails? or do a cloud back up?

1) make a copy of the photos to your local SSD for editing. At the same time, make a copy to your NAS in case of SSD failure. 2) do the editing with local copy of the photos 3) once it's all done, move the edited version to NAS (I prefer doing this step in LR so it knows what's going on with the files) and delete the original copy on NAS

My NAS has a shadow copy of my photos and then I have an online copy via Crashplan.
 
hmmm.

Sorry for so many questions, but I'm reading around online today and I'm not sure an NAS is what I want or need.

Couldn't I just buy something like this 8 TB Western Digital RAID set-up:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KU686D2/?tag=neogaf0e-20

so basically when I import my photos from a photo shoot, import to the external Western Digital drive, check "Smart Previews" in Lightroom, and then import. That way when I take my laptop on the go I can still edit photos with the Smart Previews. If I want to export something, I would need to be home and connected to the Western Digital.

would there be some big advantage with doing it with a NAS versus using something like that above Western Digital that I directly attach to my computer?
 
hmmm.

Sorry for so many questions, but I'm reading around online today and I'm not sure an NAS is what I want or need.

Couldn't I just buy something like this 8 TB Western Digital RAID set-up:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KU686D2/?tag=neogaf0e-20

so basically when I import my photos from a photo shoot, import to the external Western Digital drive, check "Smart Previews" in Lightroom, and then import. That way when I take my laptop on the go I can still edit photos with the Smart Previews. If I want to export something, I would need to be home and connected to the Western Digital.

would there be some big advantage with doing it with a NAS versus using something like that above Western Digital that I directly attach to my computer?

You really want a NAS for a couple of reasons:
1. You need your files accessible on a network.
2. You want a big RAID array.
Or
3. You like some of the advanced features that modern NAS systems offer.

If you're editing on a laptop, and it's just you, and you're just gonna do RAID 1 with that WD box, you might be good to go.

I have 7 computers in the house, plus consoles and nexus players that my Synology serves as a storage hub for. It's outstanding. I run a mumble server on it. It runs crashplan autonomusly. It runs a torrent client. It's a VPN server. It can be a security hub for IP cameras. There are branded phone apps that let me access all my music and pictures and files anywhere I'm at without trying to bring them along. It's an FTP server. I can access it while I'm overseas.


I really enjoy all the extra features. If you're not interested in that kind of functionality, by all means, get the 2 bay wd unit.

You can get a 2 bay Synology diskless for anywhere from $125 to $300, and 8TB of NAS drives is another $300.

WD is basically giving away that dock, but there's not much to it either.

Do what suits your use case and needs and budget the best, sir.
 
About to pull the trigger finally on a Synology DS1515+ with appropriate UPS to transfer all my media thats currently spread across 6 external hard disks into one box.

Only thing holding me up right now is the choice of drives - its a 5 bay NAS so not sure on the following:

1. If I buy 3 hard disks with the server, setup a RAID5 and copy all my existing media over - then in a months time buy another 2 hard disks; is it just a simple matter of snap them into the box and they are automatailcally added to my RAID5 space and avaialble to use?

2. Doing research into what HD to buy specifically and seems to be similar views on Seagates and WD Red. I've been using external Seagates the last 2 years or so with no issues. My plan is to dump all my media of film, tv, music, games etc onto the server alongside a plex server on teh nas - then watch it all through my htpc (fairly powerful) streaming onto my tv through the wifi network...question is would that setup work and does the HD matter?

3. Narrowed it down to these two - any suggestions? I recall Plex Server having issues reading WD drives but has that been sorted?

http://www.mwave.com.au/product/wd-wd40efrx-4tb-red-35-intellipower-sata3-nas-hard-drive-ab51412

http://www.mwave.com.au/product/seagate-st4000vn000-4tb-nas-hdd-35-sata3-nas-hard-drive-ab50758

Appreciate any and all help :)
 
Those HGST NAS drives.

^^

HGST is pretty much the gold standard IMO these days, but then again, I've been a fan of their drives since they were IBM, and their reputation was let's just say less than stellar, but I never had issues with them.

TBH though the only drives on my personal machines that have ever failed have been seagates. Even including a couple shitty bottom shelf maxtors that never died during their useful lifespan.

At work and dealing with other peoples computers, I've replaced a fuckton of broken maxtors, a not insignificant number of seagates, fewer WDs, and as of yet, no HGST drives(and no IBMs before then, but I was still in school during the era of the dreaded deathstar). Though I'm pretty sure HGST ships less volume(at least to consumers) than the others, and most of seagate's reliability issues are specific to a few particular drives(like IBM's problems were), but still.
 
About to pull the trigger finally on a Synology DS1515+ with appropriate UPS to transfer all my media thats currently spread across 6 external hard disks into one box.

Only thing holding me up right now is the choice of drives - its a 5 bay NAS so not sure on the following:

1. If I buy 3 hard disks with the server, setup a RAID5 and copy all my existing media over - then in a months time buy another 2 hard disks; is it just a simple matter of snap them into the box and they are automatailcally added to my RAID5 space and avaialble to use?

2. Doing research into what HD to buy specifically and seems to be similar views on Seagates and WD Red. I've been using external Seagates the last 2 years or so with no issues. My plan is to dump all my media of film, tv, music, games etc onto the server alongside a plex server on teh nas - then watch it all through my htpc (fairly powerful) streaming onto my tv through the wifi network...question is would that setup work and does the HD matter?

3. Narrowed it down to these two - any suggestions? I recall Plex Server having issues reading WD drives but has that been sorted?

http://www.mwave.com.au/product/wd-wd40efrx-4tb-red-35-intellipower-sata3-nas-hard-drive-ab51412

http://www.mwave.com.au/product/seagate-st4000vn000-4tb-nas-hdd-35-sata3-nas-hard-drive-ab50758

Appreciate any and all help :)

1. No, it's not simple to just expand a RAID like that. It's gonna take your NAS a long time to rebuild the array.

http://forum.synology.com/MediaWiki..._expand_the_RAID_Volume_with_additional_disks
Just don't do it. Wait until you have all your drives.

If you insist on doing this, consider Synology Hybrid Raid, but still expect array rebuild time.

2. I'm not running plex on my 1511+, I just use samba shares. It will work fine, just make sure your network connection is reliable. 802.11AC or wired. The drives won't matter performance wise. Even the cheap ones will do 100MB/S sustained read no problem. None of your media is that high bitrate.

3. Don't buy Seagates. I like WD's Red/Red PRO/RE drives, or their purple Surveillance drives. The HGST drives are phenomenal.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-for-q2-2015/
These guys recommend the HGST drives.
 
Ok so no to Seagates...

I am VERY confused however between WD Reds and the HGST brand; especially in the 4TB space.

Undersand the HGST's have the best reliability rating - but i've read alot of feedback on how they are noisy and get very hot.

Also if they are owned by WD and the WD Reds have been around longer - surely they are best?

Help me Gaf!
 
Ok so no to Seagates...

I am VERY confused however between WD Reds and the HGST brand; especially in the 4TB space.

Undersand the HGST's have the best reliability rating - but i've read alot of feedback on how they are noisy and get very hot.

Also if they are owned by WD and the WD Reds have been around longer - surely they are best?

Help me Gaf!

Relative to the WD reds and other NAS targeted drives, sure, as the HGSTs are 7200 RPM drives and the reds and most of the rest are 5400 RPM(5900 in seagate's case). It's kind of apples and oranges though.

The HGST drives outperform the WD red pros and are cheaper. The performance is a completely different class than the base WD reds.

The performance isn't a huge deal, and the reliability difference is minor by all acounts, but all things combined, I'd take them over the reds, but I am admittedly a fan of their drives.

That said, if this is going to be a box that has a constant load 24/7, but doesn't require much peak performance, the reds are a good option for the lower TCO and lower power usage. If it is used like most NAS boxes where there are a few hours of heavy usage and the rest of the day is idle, the power savings will be minimal(if you spin down the platters appropriately) and the performance gains will be nice. The HGST drives also support extended power conditions, which depending on your use case may offset the higher RPM.
 
Relative to the WD reds and other NAS targeted drives, sure, as the HGSTs are 7200 RPM drives and the reds and most of the rest are 5400 RPM(5900 in seagate's case). It's kind of apples and oranges though.

The HGST drives outperform the WD red pros and are cheaper. The performance is a completely different class than the base WD reds.

The performance isn't a huge deal, and the reliability difference is minor by all acounts, but all things combined, I'd take them over the reds, but I am admittedly a fan of their drives.

That said, if this is going to be a box that has a constant load 24/7, but doesn't require much peak performance, the reds are a good option for the lower TCO and lower power usage. If it is used like most NAS boxes where there are a few hours of heavy usage and the rest of the day is idle, the power savings will be minimal(if you spin down the platters appropriately) and the performance gains will be nice. The HGST drives also support extended power conditions, which depending on your use case may offset the higher RPM.

Cool, that helps - thank you. Basic usage is the Synology will be on 24/7 and as you say; used alot in the evening/afternoons at weekend when I'm primarly watching tv etc. So best-all round would be the HGST's then...what about this noise factor - is that something that I'd experience with a small setup like 5 of them together or is it for the bigger rigs with 8+ drives?
 
I've got WD greens in mine. One drive failed, and I replaced it with a larger red. I'll replace each one with reds over time.

I've always had great luck with WD drives.

If your budget is tight, the WD's are great. They'll either fail in the first month, or they'll be fine for years. WD's RMA service has also been exceptional for me.

Again, if you feel like spending the cash, I love faster drives, and the HGST drives are faster. RAID is about reliability as well though, and the HGST drives are chart toppers.



You won't hear any of these drives.
 
Cool, that helps - thank you. Basic usage is the Synology will be on 24/7 and as you say; used alot in the evening/afternoons at weekend when I'm primarly watching tv etc. So best-all round would be the HGST's then...what about this noise factor - is that something that I'd experience with a small setup like 5 of them together or is it for the bigger rigs with 8+ drives?

A lot depends on the enclosure and how they are mounted, but I haven't noticed them to be that loud(though I don't use any 5400 RPM drives at home that I could compare them to side by side).

I can't hear the drives in my NAS over the fans, but my NAS is a normal PC, in a NAS appliance things might be different.
 
A lot depends on the enclosure and how they are mounted, but I haven't noticed them to be that loud(though I don't use any 5400 RPM drives at home that I could compare them to side by side).

I can't hear the drives in my NAS over the fans, but my NAS is a normal PC, in a NAS appliance things might be different.

Just sitting them in a DS1515+
 
Ok NAS GAF.

I'm ready to make a totally new Home server.
Currently on a 2007 pc with LOTS of hdd and want to really build a new one this fall for me home server needs.

Have been researching a lot past few weeks but I can't really find what I want yet.

What I want from my new home server:

A quiet as possible but still strong enough home server to store lots of HDD for long time and output HMDI video + audio over the motherbord HDMI out, no need for GFX card because that is a wast since I only running the OS and some basic programs on it and nothing else.

I have a Fractal Design Define R5 for my main gaming pc here and I love that case quiet a lots of room for HDD's + not a screaming pc case with lots of lights etc what I hate.

Wanted to use the same case but I saw that you can swap out the drive bay because not going to use it but do any of you know if you can add HDD bays to the slot that the drive bays came from?
 
Ok NAS GAF.

I'm ready to make a totally new Home server.
Currently on a 2007 pc with LOTS of hdd and want to really build a new one this fall for me home server needs.

Have been researching a lot past few weeks but I can't really find what I want yet.

What I want from my new home server:

A quiet as possible but still strong enough home server to store lots of HDD for long time and output HMDI video + audio over the motherbord HDMI out, no need for GFX card because that is a wast since I only running the OS and some basic programs on it and nothing else.

I have a Fractal Design Define R5 for my main gaming pc here and I love that case quiet a lots of room for HDD's + not a screaming pc case with lots of lights etc what I hate.

Wanted to use the same case but I saw that you can swap out the drive bay because not going to use it but do any of you know if you can add HDD bays to the slot that the drive bays came from?

I personally would hate to have that big of a PC case in my living room, but it looks like you can get 8 drives, 10 if you use the CD-ROM slots. That is a fair amount of storage. Are you planning on buying 4TB drives or 1TB? If you're going for larger format drives (4TB+) then consider RAID 6/10 or ZFS (using FreeNAS).

When you say OS and programs what kind of stuff? A lot of software raid (FreeNAS, unRaid) tend to be headless so you wont have any kind of GUI. This mean using something like XBMC or Plex HT probably wont work. Unless you're planning to go the virtualization route, but that is a whole other can of worms.

So what I'm getting at is what is your end game with the server? This will greatly dictate how suggestions are offered.
 
I agree with the guy above me on wanting more info.

Also, what's your budget? How much storage do you want?

What kind of drives are you going to buy?


Look at these cases:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112412
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815046


Then, you fill them with SATA backplanes:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...8&cm_re=sata_backplane-_-17-994-028-_-Product

You can put 20 drives in that case with it full of backplanes, but nobody will suggest this is cheap.


20x6TB=120TB RAW. (Doesn't account for formatting or redundancy.)
Not a bad amount of storage.

You're looking at a grand just in case/adapters though.
You can then put almost any computer in the case that you want, to suit whatever performance needs you have.


Similar capacity stuff from the big boys is much more expensive though:
https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/RS3614xs
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KZIWI8E/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Get back to us with your needs/plans.
 
Thanks so far guys, currently have 18 TB spread over all kinds of drive from 500 gig one to a 4 TB ones.
7 drives in total + a ssd start-up drive.

I want to move over to the 8 TB archive drive from seagate "Seagate Archive HDD v2".
I know that they are expensive but they do exactly what I want:
Long term storage with lots of capacity.

So budget is pretty high max 1600 euro.
But with a 10 bay system I would be good for the next 5+ years.
6 on the mother board and 2 on a PCI express card because a motherboard with more then 6 SATA connectors are crazy expensive and its far easier to buy PCI cards that cost way less.

Will be buying 4 x Archive at first then adding over time as I need them.

Main problem now is choosing a case and power supply because I have no idea how much power I really need.
If over time 10 hdd are in that thing + running the pc with that as well.

Also case if not for the living room so that is not the problem.
 
Thanks so far guys, currently have 18 TB spread over all kinds of drive from 500 gig one to a 4 TB ones.
7 drives in total + a ssd start-up drive.

I want to move over to the 8 TB archive drive from seagate "Seagate Archive HDD v2".
I know that they are expensive but they do exactly what I want:
Long term storage with lots of capacity.

So budget is pretty high max 1600 euro.
But with a 10 bay system I would be good for the next 5+ years.
6 on the mother board and 2 on a PCI express card because a motherboard with more then 6 SATA connectors are crazy expensive and its far easier to buy PCI cards that cost way less.

You cant get a SATA port multiplier(or a backplane like I linked to above), which isn't going to affect your performance for this archival type of setup.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...e=sata_port_multiplier-_-16-124-072-_-Product

Will be buying 4 x Archive at first then adding over time as I need them.

So you're not going to be doing RAID then?

Main problem now is choosing a case and power supply because I have no idea how much power I really need.
If over time 10 hdd are in that thing + running the pc with that as well.

Also case if not for the living room so that is not the problem.

Seagate says that drive uses 7.5 watts operating, ten of them 750 watts, assuming you're writing to all of them at once.

http://www.seagate.com/files/www-co...dd/en-us/docs/archive-hdd-dS1834-3-1411us.pdf

If you get a 1,000W PSU, you'll be fine, for how you said you're going to use it.

I linked you a couple of cases in my other post.

If you're only going with that few drives, you don't need the SATA backplanes, but I think having them would make things much easier.


Note that those archival drives aren't rated for NAS use per se. They're more of a 'Store once, access infrequently' type of thing. MTFB and Load/Unload cycles are significantly less than what NAS drives are rated for. Just consider your backup strategy as it relates to how you're using those drives. (Especially since it doesn't sound like you're intending to do RAID by adding drives as you go.)
 
Im currently using a 2-bay DS212j and want to upgrade to something faster. Im bottlenecked by my wireless network (tops out around 150-200mbps) for peak bandwidth but im more interested in having better response time using the DSM UI and also for encrypted transfers... any reccomendations? DS213j DS213, 214, 215?
 
If you're only going with that few drives, you don't need the SATA backplanes, but I think having them would make things much easier.
Note that those archival drives aren't rated for NAS use per se. They're more of a 'Store once, access infrequently' type of thing. MTFB and Load/Unload cycles are significantly less than what NAS drives are rated for. Just consider your backup strategy as it relates to how you're using those drives. (Especially since it doesn't sound like you're intending to do RAID by adding drives as you go.)
Thanks for the updates so far will look into them!
mmmm well the stuff I saw about the archive drives that sure not really rated for NAS but it could not hurt the drives right?
They are slower but mostly will use the SSD ever day and the other drives a times a week to move stuff over and sometimes stream stuff from it.
 
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