September 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes October 13th
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Nightengale
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Advantages of a digital-only bundle.
Thinking more about it, it also works well from a business sense. In a way, it compels digital-bundle purchasers to have to buy another game immediately if they want to be able to play their console immediately after buying, instead of having to wait a week for the game icon to taunt you on the actual release date.
EdReedFan20
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Good point. Looking at the box on Amazon, though, the image makes no mention of the game not being available to play until the 27th. All it says is that it's digital only (and requires up to 60GB). I wonder if there will be some confused/angry consumers that thought they would be able to play the game when they got home. I would think Microsoft would want to make that abundantly clear so consumers don't get angry and (like you said) would buy another game to tide them over. Maybe they should've included the Master Chief Collection in the bundle.
Nightengale
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I'm guessing the 'broad' assumption is that whoever wants a Collector's Edition of Halo 5/premium Halo 5 bundle is a core/die-hard Halo fan, as in someone who would be knowledgeable about the actual release date/etc of Halo 5, and that it won't come with a disc, they have download upward of 40GB, etc.
And also that a Halo die-hard wouldn't want to deal with the bothersome task of keeping a disc in everytime they boot Halo, because they would want the game with them always ready-to-play at all times, thus why Halo 5's Collector's Edition was initially going to be discless.
But they also want to see some revenue from Xbone sales, not loss.
Sangetsu-II
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They never get revenue from sales, XB1 are still being sold at a loss. At least that's what I could gather from the IGN interview.
slavesnyder
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Exactly. A business that always just loses money is not a good one.
Some day nadella should have asked spencer when he thinks xbox will make some profit, or at least stop losing money.
And "halo" should have been the answer.
Chobel
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I can't see PS4 taking October, the hype for Halo 5 is just too big and many people will wait for SWBF and CoD bundles in November.
MS cares more about winning US, or at least not letting PS4 get a big lead.
MS cares more about winning US, or at least not letting PS4 get a big lead.
Oh I agree, which is why there's a (small imo) chance that they will choose profit (or lack of loss) over improving/ maintaining their marketshare.
This being said, I don't see the point of the new $349 bundles (the Lego one especially) if they will not drop the price tbh.
Now ... Maybe, just maybe, they intend on doing a $50 drop across the board (of the new bundles), and count on "massive" sales of the then $449 Halo 5 bundle to rake in profits and offset the loss on other SKUs - specifically the then $299 ones?
(I don't think the actual sales would offset that, but that is another discussion).
The 8-Bit Raider
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I wouldn't be too sure about that at this point. Phil Spencer's latest interview regarding the Xbox brand's misteps during launch was quite telling.
He stated that he wasn't sure if they would catch up to Sony and that his focus is to make Xbox the best console it can be for current and potential owners....food for thought.
Chobel
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He was talking about WW. I'm sure he'll do whatever is possible to stay competitive in US.
slavesnyder
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Those grapes are sour anyway.
Well, a price drop does not guarantee Sony a win for October. I think it's possible that the PS4 could take it, but right now, it's pretty hard to tell. We gotta wait until closer to Halo 5 launch.
The 8-Bit Raider
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I was aware of that but it's entirely possible that MS's focus may shift more towards profitability as opposed "beating" their competition in a particular region.
Will MS be remain competitive? Certainly but not to the extent that they were last holiday season...my opinion for what it's worth
Could've fooled me. Honestly seems pretty tame in comparison to say the hype that was around Destiny pre release. From what I've seen things seem to be pretty mixed with many feeling burnt from the MCC or the inclusion of ADS and sprint. The Halo threads have been relatively short lived and are usually full of a handful of frequent posters more so than a wide variety of accounts. I've no doubt it'll do well but I think it will sell less than many seem to think. I think it might be the first entry in the franchise to sell less than 3 million in the opening week.
The Mad Draklor
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I think Halo 5 itself will sell really well, but will not move as much hardware as the previous iterations. In other words, the attachment rate is going to be ridiculously high.
Could be. Mostly boils down to how much damage has been done to the ip.
Halo 5 is going to do really well in sales. The Xbox One has more users than the Xbox 360 had during the launch of Halo 3 (back in September 2007) and let's face it -- if you bought an Xbox One over the PS4 then you more than likely care a lot about the games that are on the system that aren't on the PS4. The Xbox 360 was more of a "general console" in comparison to the way the Xbox One is viewed right now.
The game is going to help sell Xbox Ones in November and December (obviously). It's going to do so this month too but by how much is up in the air. You'll have pre-order build-up plus new sales for the Halo 5 bundle, and Xbox 360 as well as PS4 users getting one of the cheaper Xbox One bundles.
I think we'll get a better idea of how well it will help console sales as these days go by.
The game is going to help sell Xbox Ones in November and December (obviously). It's going to do so this month too but by how much is up in the air. You'll have pre-order build-up plus new sales for the Halo 5 bundle, and Xbox 360 as well as PS4 users getting one of the cheaper Xbox One bundles.
I think we'll get a better idea of how well it will help console sales as these days go by.
Nightengale
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To be fair, Halo 3 was the height of the franchise that hasn't been topped. And market for shooters today is hella more aggressive.
Well, i don't believe they will. And i know that you said that several times before.
Winning at what Cost? As a business they aren't winning if they're losing money.
Halo 3 was the shooter on the console for shooters when it was released.
At that point Call of Duty: Modern Warfare hadn't been released yet. It also didn't hurt that it turned out to be an excellent game and word of mouth and reviews both reflected that.
Yea. halo 3 was the height of the franchise and pushed the console to over 500k the month it released. That has never been replicated and I don't see it doing it with Halo 5
jhmtehgamr20xx
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That just sounded like PR talk tbh. And I don't want to be too cruel here but I think Phil's been talking too much; he's making Xbox look like a pretty weak platform right now.
He's just been sounding very...defeatist...about it. Maybe realistic on one hand, but too much of that and I'll start thinking they don't have a lot of confidence in the system's long-term viability.
I want some of that fierceness back.
DriftingSpirit
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I'm not sure anyone is saying that. I see some saying Halo 5 will sell very well and/or saying it won't sell as well as Halo 3.
Halo 5 itself will sell very very well. Anyone who things otherwise is delusional. I'm more so talking about how many consoles it will push.
Obliterator
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Honestly I don't think we can truly gauge Halo 5 sales until reviews and word of mouth hit. I think interest in the IP is as big as ever pretty much, except there is a lot more people aitting on the fence waiting after what happened with Halo 4 and MCC.
343 have to deliver on this one.
343 have to deliver on this one.
I'd say it on par with Reach and Halo 4. I doubt it reaches the height of Halo 3 as far as hype goes.
slavesnyder
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Hadn't around now been much more hype for titanfall and Destiny compared to halo 5?
It's almost silence if you take the importance of this title into consideration.
It's almost silence if you take the importance of this title into consideration.
Obliterator
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Yeah I would agree with that. Halo 3 is and likely will always be the ceiling for that franchise. I just don't think interest overall has dive bombed since Halo 4, which was still a huge financial success. I think Halo 5 can still do very well it just needs to be a high quality game. If it delivers it won't have a huge drop off for the franchise.
That said no doubt there are more people waiting than ever on this one. MCC and Halo 4 multiplayer didn't help the franchise thats for sure.
DriftingSpirit
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I've been thinking about this lately as well. Shouldn't we be seeing Halo 5 promo galore by now? I know it is coming but I still figured they would have got going as soon as October hit.
Nobody is saying it won't sell well guys. Some, like myself, think it will be the lowest selling entry in the mainline (numbered games) of the series or that it won't push hardware sales to the degree that many seem to think it will since most who would have bought an XB1 for Halo have done so already. I think both are completely feasible given the reactions we have seen thus far.
Both could be wrong of course but the excitement around Halo 5 has felt muted especially in comparison to the likes of Halo 3 or Destiny.
Edit: Clarification! worst selling opening month in the series. It's likely to outsell 1 or 2 LTD
Both could be wrong of course but the excitement around Halo 5 has felt muted especially in comparison to the likes of Halo 3 or Destiny.
Edit: Clarification! worst selling opening month in the series. It's likely to outsell 1 or 2 LTD
Obliterator
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Nah it should outsell Halo 1 and 2
DriftingSpirit
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Does anyone happen to know the LTD sales for all the mainline Halo games?
LTD? Yea probably. I meant opening month. Sorry I should have clarified. I'm guessing it will sell right around the same as Halo 2 when all is said and done.
They play the Live action commercials during football games and during high profile shows. Don't be shocked if you see tons of it during the Walking Dead Premiere tonight.
That said I expect HALO to be everywhere starting next week.
* Goes off to dig info but then stops realizing that Zhu probably has all of that at his fingertips and will post it long before I would....
Obliterator
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Ah kk. I think it will for sure open lower than Halo 4. Though honestly its getting harder and harder to track how games are actually performing now. Digital keeps growing and we cant track that :-(
Gonna be interesting, I wasn't expecting the price drop to be in action for most of October. I still think MS will win Oct, Halo is too big and MS cares too much about US... But oh boy if they don't. If they lose on Halo month they should just hit reset and rush next gen. Price cut for PS4 or not, losing on Halo month is really bad.
THey won't rush next gen. They'l still focus on providing content for the One. It still sells.
The Mad Draklor
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If MS loses on Halo month, they should focus on earning as much revenue as possible rather than trying to grab a higher percentage of marketshare. Releasing a new console early also costs a lot of money.
Alright? I don't see why it's such a strange thought that some PS4 users (many of which had a 360 last gen) will get an Xbox One this month for Halo 5 -- keeping the system as their "secondary box".
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Highly doubt it. I don't think it will do as well as Halo 3 overall but it should definitely do better than Halo 1 and 2 based on the sales of the Xbox One (vs. original Xbox) alone.
I don't know how anyone could say "most" when this will be the first current gen Halo game. It's like saying Uncharted 4 won't push PS4 sales since fans already have the system. The sales of last gen systems vs. current generation alone show that there's still a ton of people who don't own either console (PS4 or Xbox One) yet.
I don't even think this will be the case due to the Xbox One's position this gen (system bought by many for its exclusives) as well as its position in comparison to its predecessors (360 and Original Xbox) during the release of their first Halo game.
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