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PCs are better than consoles argument tree
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I need these facts b,
You're assuming that I haven't played any or many PC exclusives, and you are wrong.
The argument you seem to be suggesting here—that maybe I only prefer my favorite console games because I haven't been exposed to the superior PC games out there—is exactly the kind of annoying shit I'm talking about.
Chance Hale
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Where do these arguments happen? As someone who plays literally every genre(from PC exclusive flight sims and rts' to console games like Rock Band 4 and visual novels on the vita) I can't say I've ever seen someone who I identify on this site as a PC gamer starting flame wars.
And PC gamers don't have much to be insecure about given we're all incredibly wealthy and have 9000 dollar rigs.
MurkyZebra2417
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Pretty sad tree, the time someone invested....puh. Both are worth having. I actually played exclusive on PC and my first console was PS2 Slim. Now i play 50/50 but prefer most stuff on console, even though I have a awesome PC.
Just let people play what they want.
Just let people play what they want.
lmao, he's not going to give any examples.
I still don't know where the fact that PC gamers are really insecure came from
NoblesseOblige
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I've never had a PC component break on me in 20 years except for needing to replace the occasional $5-20 case fan due to bearings. So I have no idea how long warranties actually are. I usually build a new machine before anything fails (about every 5 years).
TouchMyBox
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PCs have more physical space to collect dust and various carcinogens.
Take that, PC-Lamers!
My PC is smaller than a PS4 😎
"My opinions are all true objectively."
Snore.
Your "objective" points aren't as objective as you believe they are, which is why this absurd argument exists.
ViolentP
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That has not been my experience at all. These days, I see just as many console gamers justifying their preference as I do PC gamers.
I really don't think PC gamers have anything to be insecure about, honestly.
How often do you see a flame war of any kind carry on unabated on this site? GAF is far more closely moderated than most places where these arguments flare up.
DrROBschiz
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Clearly the market has a place for all of these machines
Not even sure where to take the debate from there
Not even sure where to take the debate from there
Justifying, or actually starting an argument about it out of the blue? e.g. creating an argument tree about it, or starting a thread about it, or what have you.
You wouldn't think so, would you?
More_Badass
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So what? Do you really think the average person cares about "7x the performance"?
Can you be more specific? Here are some of my arguments.
DrROBschiz
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Chance Hale
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I can play Assassin's Creed Unity at 60+FPS at 1440P at max settings on the couch via my TV(or at the desk and monitor if I wish) with my choice of an infinite number of controllers(switch between the 360, ps4, and Xbox One models at will!). My experience on the PC is objectively better than the console versions which run at sub-native resolutions and dip into the teens.
Is this not true? I'm not trying to be elitist but this seems like a clear cut advantage. With hardware much cheaper than mine you can still have a better experience.
Of course the PC also has backwards compatibility dating back to the beginning of gaming. In 10 seconds I can switch between a game from 2015 and a game from the 1980s.
ScatheZombie
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And the PC master race circle jerk continues on...
I also love all the contradictory statements.
Like, arguing in one breadth that you can easily build a PC for cheap (which is true) - but also run the latest games at 4k and 100 fps.
Or arguing that all console games can be played on PC via emulation - but also arguing that piracy isn't an issue for PC.
Or arguing that consoles have limited life-cycles - while building a new PC every ~3 years.
It just gets old. There are different things for different people. It's like arguing a sportscar is objectively better than a SUV. Or that a tablet is objectively better than a laptop. It's dumb. Stop it.
I also love all the contradictory statements.
Like, arguing in one breadth that you can easily build a PC for cheap (which is true) - but also run the latest games at 4k and 100 fps.
Or arguing that all console games can be played on PC via emulation - but also arguing that piracy isn't an issue for PC.
Or arguing that consoles have limited life-cycles - while building a new PC every ~3 years.
It just gets old. There are different things for different people. It's like arguing a sportscar is objectively better than a SUV. Or that a tablet is objectively better than a laptop. It's dumb. Stop it.
I think that's a bit of a straw man. The argument over exclusives isn't carried out around how many exclusives nearly as much as it is over which exclusives.
DrROBschiz
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Its not because its an anecdote of your specific experience you created with the income and tools available to you
Thats the beauty of an open platform but stop pretending that your goals are the same as everyone elses
Chezzymann
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5 page. #100pppmasterrace
ViolentP
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I see console gamers doing it all the time as well. And frankly, arguing about who does it more is a pointless exercise when even one is too much.
I think your perception of their intention is incorrect. I think many want to shit on others because they're arrogant, but nowhere in their intention do I read insecurity.
Check some digital foundry threads. They care about minutia that's so much smaller than the difference between any console and PC, that it's become a meme in itself.
They tried Civ: Revolution already. Didn't work out well enough for a sequel.
ScatheZombie said:
They aren't contradictory. All outcomes are available to you because of the nature of an open platform.
LowlySmokeGuy
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I agree OP. This is definitely very well thought out.
PerfectionQuick and dirty, just for you Stuart
DrROBschiz
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DIY enthusiasts have a habit of leaving out details or taking their investment for granted
It just doesnt apply smoothly to the masses but thats the whole damn point of being an enthusiast. You reap the benefits of an open platform
More_Badass
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The person posting in digital foundry threads about performance aspects like that aren't at representative of the average person who might buy a game on console or PC.
Chance Hale
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Of course the tools have to be available to me, but are the PS4 and Xbox One not the same situation? Many people can't afford those. The fact that you can plug in any controller and get it to work is a better experience than what the consoles offer. Of course maybe you have no controllers or a tv or a job or a life or maybe you've been dead the entire time!
Either way, objectivity is a horrible thing to talk about. It is objective that you can get a better experience on the PC but of course it does cost money like anything else. My point was the fact that you can get much better performance in games or have more controller options on the PC is not a subjective opinion.
hydrophilic attack
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The best console is $350 and has 8 GB GDDR5. That's $44.75 per GB of GDDR5. The best PC GPU is $1500 and has 12 GB of GDDR5. That's $125 per GB of GDDR5.
Consoles are clearly better value for money
Consoles are clearly better value for money
The average person is meaningless in this debate considering most don't care about the features console or pc gamers can have to enjoy the experience more.
Mind showing a few examples from people that know what they are talking about doing this vs trolls. People can be at 4k or 100fps its another matter if they say they are doing this all at once. 4k even with ultra settings puts you in a place as a pc gamer very few have the means for.
Whose doing that on this site cause literally these are arguments years old and now spouted off so readily here especially considering you will be banned for not nuancing a topic on piracy if you advocate for it.
Very few pc gamers have that kind money so again using an argument like this to represent the variety of pc gamers seems dumb buying it only makes you look uninformed to say the least.
What gets old are posts like these saying stuff about a lot of pc gamers that aren't true and being guilty of being exactly what pc gamers mention about others ripping on the platform without knowing that much or relying on things that really haven't been true since the 360 generation.
I've always found higher resolutions and especially higher framerates disorienting and uncanny. They do not provide an objectively better experience for me.
And you achieved that without installing DOSbox or ScummVM or doing any other various tinkering, did you? Because my experience with getting my games from the 80s running on a modern PC is that it's a pain in the ass.
Dreams-Visions
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I think your argument works if people were saying that PC gaming is better because PC games are better. But that's not what anyone is saying, so your point sort of falls flat. People are saying PCs are better because they provide a better environment to game in. Their supporting points include but are not limited to:
- free online
- near infinite backwards compatibility
- robust settings options
- high scaling with better hardware
- VR support (which should scale much better than Morpheus, of course)
- mod support
- support for any and every type of USB controller and peripheral input (including all of your favorite X360, XOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 compatible controllers)
- modular nature allowing for part upgrades as you see fit
- emulation
- open nature
- lower prices
- higher income for developers
- comfy couch TV play with big picture mode and any of a variety of control options, making PC more TV friendly than ever before
It's an argument that is less about games (which turn into a subjective debate and purely a matter of taste, as we all understand) and more of an objective debate about features and the nature of the platforms themselves.
With the number of features that have been downgraded going from last gen to this gen on consoles, rising prices for online play, royalties, and expensive peripherals that have to be re-bought again and again (I refuse to upgrade my TE arcade stick. Fuck you), it seems like a sound argument to me. Before even discussing 720p/900p and 30fps disappointments that highlight this generation.
Yes, even one is too much, but that doesn't mean we can't identify a root cause and try to yank it out.
I think insecurity is usually what leads to people wanting to shit on others and acting arrogant. But YMMV.
Chance Hale
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Ah ok, you're one of those angular graphics people. Makes sense
And I buy most games on gog now which includes all relevant software along with the installer so it's a very seamless process but yes, I'm sure the process of converting your old floppy disks to a modern format would be rather frustrating if not outright impossible. DVD is the last format that PC games will ever use though, so that's no longer an issue.
Dreams-Visions
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But thats not a feasible argument, people buy what they want performance is not something everyone want or can afford...
In the end we are still gamers with preferences
Pretty much.
(The only thing I'd add is that this is again mostly from the gamer perspective, and doesn't take into account the full effects on gaming as a medium)
ViolentP
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Blanket blaming is the furthest thing a person can do from "yanking it out". A person needs to be educated on the pros and cons of both so they can make an informed decision based on their preferences. The educator needs to speak without bias, and the listener needs to be receptive. Neither of those two things happen as often as they should.
Some people are just dicks.
Steve Youngblood
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I think arguing about which group is "worse" is often counterproductive given that one's perception is probably dependent on the particular topic and which side threw the first stone. For instance, I tend to think there's a lot of confusion in regards to the "Master Race" crap just in that there's often this perception that holier-than-thou PC gamers happily refer to themselves as that when I personally find that it's often employed in a disparaging fashion by console proponents to denote the perceived arrogance of PC gamers. As someone who -- if I had to choose -- would identify as a PC gamer first and foremost, I find the "Master Race" label offensive. For our part, we (the moderation team) have banned a number of people for utilizing it.
Whether being funny or serious, whether you're a PC gamer or a console gamer, my position would be "don't use the "Master Race meme."
Whether being funny or serious, whether you're a PC gamer or a console gamer, my position would be "don't use the "Master Race meme."
JudgmentJay
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They absolutely would care if you plopped them down in front of the two machines and had them choose which one they wanted to play on. But of course ignorance is bliss.
Personally, I can't imagine not owning a PC for the superior experience on multiplats. Just like I can't imagine not owning a PS4 for Bloodborne, a WiiU for Super Mario 3D World, a Vita for Muramasa Rebirth, etc. Outside of monetary reasons, why limit yourself when you can have the best of all worlds?
and controllers suck for fps games.. All depends on the game being played.
Chance Hale
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean. A console can be used at a desk just like a computer can be used on a tv.
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