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[LCGeek]

I've always found higher resolutions and especially higher framerates disorienting and uncanny. They do not provide an objectively better experience for me.

Higher fps on a decent monitor gives less eye strain they are a better experience unless you like arguing you enjoy eye strain. Seriously gaf keep providing for moments like these.

You don't like higher resolutions so why aren't you playing in the low hundreds then? You like resolution whether you will admit or not considering from where games started and where we are now.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I think arguing about which group is "worse" is often counterproductive given that one's perception is probably dependent on the particular topic and which side threw the first stone. For instance, I tend to think there's a lot of confusion in regards to the "Master Race" crap just in that there's often this perception that holier-than-thou PC gamers happily refer to themselves as that when I personally find that it's often employed in a disparaging fashion by console proponents to denote the perceived arrogance of PC gamers. As someone who -- if I had to choose -- would identify as a PC gamer first and foremost, I find the "Master Race" label offensive. For our part, we (the moderation team) have banned a number of people for utilizing it.

Whether being funny or serious, whether you're a PC gamer or a console gamer, my position would be "don't use the "Master Race meme."

I think this is the correct approach. Far more often than it should be, this term is used as a strawman piñata to batter pro PC arguments and those who make them to avoid genuine conversation (that may lead to an unpleasant conclusion for some).

8 hours a day I sit in front of a computer @ work....so more console gaming @ home for me.

I'm sorry, I don't understand. At the end, all of these devices are computers and they all run games. You're not escaping a "computer" by playing on a console at home; you're just playing a computer with a dedicated UI and limited multipurpose uses. Turn on Steam/Origin/Epic/Battle.net/whatever and pick a game. Suddenly, it's like a console!

 

[RM8]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. A console can be used at a desk just like a computer can be used on a tv.

Spreadsheets interrupting your Mortal Kombat match sucks

 

[KANYE WEST]

PC gaming is better than console gaming

 

[Real_Madrid]

And the PC master race circle jerk continues on...

I also love all the contradictory statements.

Like, arguing in one breadth that you can easily build a PC for cheap (which is true) - but also run the latest games at 4k and 100 fps.

Or arguing that all console games can be played on PC via emulation - but also arguing that piracy isn't an issue for PC.

Or arguing that consoles have limited life-cycles - while building a new PC every ~3 years.

It just gets old. There are different things for different people. It's like arguing a sportscar is objectively better than a SUV. Or that a tablet is objectively better than a laptop. It's dumb. Stop it.

Yup. I'm primarily a PC gamer, but I just can't go to any PC-centric site because when reading the comments they only talk about consoles and how 'bad' they are. I understand sites like PC gamer attract the enthusiastic gamers and they feel the need to write articles for them, but I also believe many PC gamers just want to hear about PC stuff, not how bad other platforms are.

Even on Neogaf I just cannot read any of the DF or any other platform war threads like this one. Always strange arguments and people fighting over there plastic boxes.
I recently bought a PS4 and the only reason is that the community (sites, podcasts, youtubers, comments) is much nicer and far less cynical imo.

 

[paperspace]

8 hours a day I sit in front of a computer @ work....so more console gaming @ home for me.

This makes zero sense. When you're playing games you're ... playing games. What difference does it make what kind of platform you're using at work?

 

[Tadie]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. A console can be used at a desk just like a computer can be used on a tv.

Yeah, but for my kind of view console gaming is couch gaming. If I want to play some mp shooters on pc I need to use keyboard and mouse. Not really comfortable on couch

 

[Durante]

8 hours a day I sit in front of a computer @ work....so more console gaming @ home for me.

This is another common argument that I don't really follow. Your console is basically a very limited computer. You can set up your computer to act like a console with more options (which is most likely very different from your work computer). You can also put it into the same ergonomic setting (e.g. the always popular "comfy couch").

Where exactly is the difference that makes playing on a console palatable after working on a PC, but not on a PC that acts like a console for the purpose of playing games?

 

[ironcreed]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. A console can be used at a desk just like a computer can be used on a tv.

Yeah, barriers such as this have been broken down and the lines are being blurred more and more. Which is why I am finally more interested in having a nice PC gaming solution that I can sit right next to my consoles at my big screen.

 

[AgeEighty]

I think your argument works if people were saying that PC gaming is better because PC games are better. But that's not what anyone is saying, so your point sort of falls flat. People are saying PCs are better because they provide a better environment to game in.

I care a lot less about the environment than I do about what's in it. Hardware has always been and will always be a secondary consideration to me behind library. And that's where we diverge: Your argument is based upon the theoretical potential of the PC as a hardware platform, i.e. if you took any game from either side and compared its highest potential performance on a PC to its highest potential on a console. That's a neat philosophical exercise, but it doesn't have a lot of bearing on the real world.

In the real world, I read gaming news sites and blogs, check out videos and previews, I find games I want to play, and in most cases, those games have "PS4/Xbox One Only", "Wii U Only", or some such thing next to them in the listings. That makes those consoles a better environment for me to game in, because the games I want to play are there. The performance potential of those games in an alternate universe in which they are PC games is irrelevant to me. In our universe, they aren't PC games.

And if the game does say "PC Only" on it, which does happen occasionally? I... still play it! And then I shut the hell up about it.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Yup. I'm primarily a PC gamer, but I just can't go to any PC-centric site because when reading the comments they only talk about consoles and how 'bad' they are.

Fun fact: go to any platform-centric site and read the comments. Would you like to take a guess at what you might find?

Spoiler

you guessed it! a lot of insecure people bashing every platform that ISN'T the platform that forum/website is playing. That means (gasp!) PS-centric forums are going to bash the XOne for its lack of exclusive japanese games and 720p performance! That means Xbox-centric forums are going to bash kiddie PS games and their shitty PSN services! That means Nintendo-centric forums are going to bash both because they don't have Mario, Zelda, Smash, and Pikmin! And yes...it means that PC-centric forums are going to bash all 3 because they can't do teh uber graphixx lol @ 30fps 900p ps4 and 720p xbox and don't have da superior game input methods and oh you have to pay to play lolol.

I hope you were sitting down when you read that. It may all come as a shock, this being your being new to enthusiast websites and how their ethos works.

 

[Trace]

The best console is $350 and has 8 GB GDDR5. That's $44.75 per GB of GDDR5. The best PC GPU is $1500 and has 12 GB of GDDR5. That's $125 per GB of GDDR5.

Consoles are clearly better value for money

But the cheapest GPU has 1GB of GDDR5 for $28. Buying 8 of those is clearly the better value.

 

[DrROBschiz]

I think your argument works if people were saying that PC gaming is better because PC games are better. But that's not what anyone is saying, so your point sort of falls flat. People are saying PCs are better because they provide a better environment to game in. Their supporting points include but are not limited to:

- free online - Huge Benefit across the board

- near infinite backwards compatibility - Also Great

- robust settings options - Enthusiast specific. Most people dont want to tinker

- high scaling with better hardware - Investment specific. Ignores challenges associated with doing hardware yourself

- VR support (which should scale much better than Morpheus, of course) - Cant comment on this one

- mod support - Huge but enthusiast specific and the range of accessablity varies wildly... Like when my friend was trying to mod Fallout 3

- support for any and every type of USB controller and peripheral input (including all of your favorite X360, XOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 compatible controllers) - Awesome perk but not exclusive to PCs

- modular nature allowing for part upgrades as you see fit - Consumers dont like to shouldler the liability and maintenance. This is an DIY enthusiast benefit

- emulation - Awesome but not PC specific

- open nature - Comes with all the pros and cons open platforms provide. Not the only open platform option available

- lower prices - Definitely in PCs favor but Consoles are catching up and so are retailers

- higher income for developers - This one is dubious. This has to vary wildly. I suppose across the board the early access model is far more prevalent and profitable for creators. This hasnt stopped creators from being EVERYWHERE. I think its more important for creators to cater to the best possible audience. Sometimes that PC sometimes it isnt... Though i bet the overall average trend favors PC

- comfy couch TV play with big picture mode and any of a variety of control options, making PC more TV friendly than ever before - OK... Big picture is great. But one doesnt just buy a PC off the shelf and hit the ground running. This is why the whole idea of Steam Machines and Steam OS even exist.

It's an argument that is less about games (which turn into a subjective debate and purely a matter of taste, as we all understand) and more of an objective debate about features and the nature of the platforms themselves.

With the number of features that have been downgraded going from last gen to this gen on consoles, rising prices for online play, royalties, and expensive peripherals that have to be re-bought again and again (I refuse to upgrade my TE arcade stick. Fuck you), it seems like a sound argument to me. Before even discussing 720p/900p and 30fps disappointments that highlight this generation.

Bolded my responses

 

[Josh5890]

Handhelds slighted yet again.

I've become used to that

 

[Birgitte2004]

This is another common argument that I don't really follow. Your console is basically a very limited computer. You can set up your computer to act like a console with more options (which is most likely very different from your work computer). You can also put it into the same ergonomic setting (e.g. the always popular "comfy couch").

Where exactly is the difference that makes playing on a console palatable after working on a PC, but not on a PC that acts like a console for the purpose of playing games?

I use a computer for 10+ hours at work.

When I get home, I don't want to use a keyboard and mouse.

You can't be competitive on PC using controller.

Therefore I frequently play console games with a controller.

Some games offer so much controller assist that you can be competitive on PC using a controller but not many, and it always feels weird to me.

 

[Hektor]

Bolded my responses

Please show me all those emulators you can use on console.

 

[off duty ninja]

This makes zero sense. When you're playing games you're ... playing games. What difference does it make what kind of platform you're using at work?

This actually makes a lot of sense. My home computer is at a desk with a less than comfortable chair in front of it. My console is connected to my TV which sits in front of my couch.

I sit at a desk all day staring at 3 monitors for work. When I get home from a long day of working the last thing I want to do is... sit back down at an uncomfortable computer desk in a less than comfortable chair to relax.

I know some of the youngins' here have some new fangled setups that allow them to browse their computers from the couch but I would reckon anybody who states they don't want to work on a computer all day and then play all their games on the computer at home afterwards doesn't have a comfy couch computer setup.

 

[PulseONE]

Geez, this thread has turned a bit ugly hasn't it?

 

[Tadie]

I use a computer for 10+ hours at work.

When I get home, I don't want to use a keyboard and mouse.

You can't be competitive on PC using controller.

Therefore I frequently play console games with a controller.

Some games offer so much controller assist that you can be competitive on PC using a controller but not many, and it always feels weird to me.

That's it

 

[Jonm1010]

The best console is $350 and has 8 GB GDDR5. That's $44.75 per GB of GDDR5. The best PC GPU is $1500 and has 12 GB of GDDR5. That's $125 per GB of GDDR5.

Consoles are clearly better value for money

On PC I can buy brand new games on day one often at 20-30% off. The markdown rate is also much steeper, much faster. Games that won't be obsolete after the generation is over and most can be modified. I'm not sure how you quantify that value but it's worth noting.

So if I buy all my games day one over an estimated 6 year console generation lifespan and I buy roughly 6 full priced games a year I will save roughly $100 a year on just day one purchase games. If I trade in console games after a few weeks maybe I close that gap but then we are kinda cheating as I am comparing a glorified rental with long term ownership.

If I'm frugal and wait to purchase all my games til 6 months or more after release that savings gap widens.

So maybe I spend 1500 on a gaming PC that will last me an entire console generation of let's say six years. That's roughly a minimum of $600 in savings on games and upwards based on how patient I am.

Then there is online. With PC gaming I can save roughly $50 a year in online costs. Bringing my total generation savings to $900.

So I bought a $1500 computer and over the course of a console generation realized an estimated minimum savings of $900. Which if I apply as an offset to my up front cost brings the computer cost down to $600.

And if I was really frugal I just might be able to completely offset the extra cost with the additional savings PC gaming provides.

So in closing I wouldn't exactly say consoles are a clear cut better value for your money.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

While PC gaming is prone to some weird glitches and sometimes requires more effort for better results, it is objectively better in many ways. Almost every way. I never saw this debate as serious. I love consoles, but my gaming laptop was worth the 2K purchase for a reason.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Please show me all those emulators you can use on console.

Several have them built in

Nintendo and Sony have dont it several times

Several other platforms have had emulators built for them. Android/Apple etc...

Its not some exclusive perk of PCs. Many consoles have been "modified" in some way to allow emulators as well

Emulation is an enthusiast habit that doesnt begin and end in the PC space

 

[AgeEighty]

1. OK, so you're either disingenuous here, or you're incredibly unique on this front. I hope you realize your so completely out of the norm on this that you're not really worth considering when someone says whether having better resolutions or framerates are "better". If one in 100 million people has an issue, I think we can still throw around the word " objective " here.

Motion sickness is not nearly the fringe issue you seem to think it is; many of the lapsed gamers I know quit due to this. Higher framerates tend to make feel ill more quickly. High resolution in itself isn't an issue, but it can amplify the effects if they're there.

2. Being able to use the emulator in the first place is a benefit of the platform, because you can play those games. How you do it or what tool you need doesn't really change that fact.

If the only way to get most older PC games working is to purchase them new from GoG or a similar method, that's not really a benefit any longer since consoles offer similar services. As the other poster said, actually getting vintage software running can be difficult if not impossible, so that really isn't a benefit.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

But the cheapest GPU has 1GB of GDDR5 for $28. Buying 8 of those is clearly the better value.

going to newegg as we speak

 

[Disxo]

Please show me all those emulators you can use on console.

Eshop retros?

 

[LCGeek]

This actually makes a lot of sense. My home computer is at a desk with a less than comfortable chair in front of it. My console is connected to my TV which sits in front of my couch.

I sit at a desk all day staring at 3 monitors for work. When I get home from a long day of working the last thing I want to do is... sit back down at an uncomfortable computer desk in a less than comfortable chair to relax.

I know some of the youngins' here have some new fangled setups that allow them to browse their computers from the couch but I would reckon anybody who states they don't want to work on a computer all day and then play all their games on the computer at home afterwards doesn't have a comfy couch computer setup.

Honestly I'm just gonna be a little rude cause this argument has nothing to do with the pc platform itself the and the choices these types makes. If you don't have a comfy couch setup or something comfy you like make it. You're console setup didn't magically appear did it now? You had to get the couch, the big tv and good sound setup right?

 

[paperspace]

This actually makes a lot of sense. My home computer is at a desk with a less than comfortable chair in front of it. My console is connected to my TV which sits in front of my couch.

I sit at a desk all day staring at 3 monitors for work. When I get home from a long day of working the last thing I want to do is... sit back down at an uncomfortable computer desk in a less than comfortable chair to relax.

I know some of the youngins' here have some new fangled setups that allow them to browse their computers from the couch but I would reckon anybody who states they don't want to work on a computer all day and then play all their games on the computer at home afterwards doesn't have a comfy couch computer setup.

But I don't see how that is relevant or specific to PC. Just because you have your PC in a uncomfortable environment doesn't mean it has to be that way for every PC-user.

 

[DrROBschiz]

PC gaming is a good as it is because of the return on investment for the time and money put in

It also requires knowledge, troubleshooting, and research. Many Prebuilt machines can also be a "better" investment.

They stil require a degree of knowledge and setup. Its now easier than evern but that hasnt stop the market form being diverse

PC's can do just about ANYthing and yet we have booming markets for devices that accomplish specific tasks.

 

[Real_Madrid]

I don't read PC Gamer very often but seriously... What communities are you frequenting? The PC enthusiast spaces I participate in basically proceed as if consoles don't even exist.

When the E3 hype hit the fan, I read PC gamer a lot and really it was a mess. Articles about how people are gonna be disappointed with their console and then the comments on any article on a multiplatform game was also just irritating.
(The same by the way for almost all the best known PC-centric youtubers.)

Maybe it's just me, but I don't like that kind of community.

 

[Chance Hale]

Motion sickness is not nearly the fringe issue you seem to think it is; many of the lapsed gamers I know quit due to this. Higher framerates tend to make feel ill more quickly. High resolution in itself isn't an issue, but it can amplify the effects if they're there.



If the only way to get most older PC games working is to purchase them new from GoG or a similar method, that's not really a benefit any longer since consoles offer similar services. As the other poster said, actually getting vintage software running can be difficult if not impossible, so that really isn't a benefit.

I said it's probably impossible in many cases to get floppy disks to work on modern computers but if you manage the emulators used are the same ones gog puts together. Anyway, that's a long dead format and CDs and Dvds are readable by any PC drive released in the last 13ish years.

And high framerates help many people with motion sickness. Games that dip under 30 FPS actually make me feel a bit ill, it's the disconnect between the physical movements you're making and the reaction on-screen. Of course with VR this is even more obvious as even 75 FPS can feel a bit off.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Bolded my responses

- robust settings options - Enthusiast specific. Most people dont want to tinker

- high scaling with better hardware - Investment specific. Ignores challenges associated with doing hardware yourself

- VR support (which should scale much better than Morpheus, of course) - Cant comment on this one

- mod support - Huge but enthusiast specific and the range of accessablity varies wildly... Like when my friend was trying to mod Fallout 3

- support for any and every type of USB controller and peripheral input (including all of your favorite X360, XOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 compatible controllers) - Awesome perk but not exclusive to PCs

- modular nature allowing for part upgrades as you see fit - Consumers dont like to shouldler the liability and maintenance. This is an DIY enthusiast benefit

None of those are things that take-away from the PC. None of those things you can ignore make PC gaming worse. And it's a very personal matter if you consider those important or not, so just saying "enthusiast specific" isn't convincing.

 

[RM8]

Eshop retros?

With tiny, minuscule catalogues. I'd spend a ton on PSN and Virtual Console, but they hardly ever bother to put new classic games on those services.

 

[uncapped]

pc definitely is superior in every way if you have the right hardware.. I find myself gaming more on my PC than the PS4 this year, chasing that 60fps experience.

 

[mr2xxx]

I think your argument works if people were saying that PC gaming is better because PC games are better. But that's not what anyone is saying, so your point sort of falls flat. People are saying PCs are better because they provide a better environment to game in. Their supporting points include but are not limited to:

- free online
- near infinite backwards compatibility
- robust settings options
- high scaling with better hardware
- VR support (which should scale much better than Morpheus, of course)
- mod support
- support for any and every type of USB controller and peripheral input (including all of your favorite X360, XOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 compatible controllers)
- modular nature allowing for part upgrades as you see fit
- emulation
- open nature
- lower prices
- higher income for developers
- comfy couch TV play with big picture mode and any of a variety of control options, making PC more TV friendly than ever before

It's an argument that is less about games (which turn into a subjective debate and purely a matter of taste, as we all understand) and more of an objective debate about features and the nature of the platforms themselves.

With the number of features that have been downgraded going from last gen to this gen on consoles, rising prices for online play, royalties, and expensive peripherals that have to be re-bought again and again (I refuse to upgrade my TE arcade stick. Fuck you), it seems like a sound argument to me. Before even discussing 720p/900p and 30fps disappointments that highlight this generation.

Problem is that the games are the single most important factor, which as you say is completely dependent on the persons individual preference. It's like arguing soccer vs football and the only objective data is actual playtime on the field/commercials breaks, it ignores the most important thing, the actual game itself.

 

[More_Badass]

This actually makes a lot of sense. My home computer is at a desk with a less than comfortable chair in front of it. My console is connected to my TV which sits in front of my couch.

I sit at a desk all day staring at 3 monitors for work. When I get home from a long day of working the last thing I want to do is... sit back down at an uncomfortable computer desk in a less than comfortable chair to relax.

I know some of the youngins' here have some new fangled setups that allow them to browse their computers from the couch but I would reckon anybody who states they don't want to work on a computer all day and then play all their games on the computer at home afterwards doesn't have a comfy couch computer setup.

All you need is an HDMI cable and a controller. It literally takes seconds.

I think you're assuming playing PC games on TV requires some complex complicated set-up

 

[Lanrutcon]

These threads are always amusing.

PC gaming is really hard folks. All those scary cables. And remember: your desktop will explode if you connect your controller in the wrong way or bring it anywhere near a couch. Fact!

And that tree is bullshit on several fronts, btw. Console modding comparable to PC modding? I don't even...

 

[Woodchipper]

If you have a lot of cash and don't care about any of the great console exclusives out there, then sure, PC's are better.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I care a lot less about the environment than I do about what's in it. Hardware has always been and will always be a secondary consideration to me behind library.

and that's where your argument in the context of this discussion becomes irrelevant. you can't argue subjectivity. Nobody gives 2 fucks how you feel about Uncharted or your JRPGs any more than you give 2 fucks about Dota 2 and Civ. But the platforms behind them? Now there we can have an objective discussion. The reality behind which may make you uncomfortable...but only if you're emotionally attaching yourself to hardware. These consoles aren't your children; they don't need to be protected and defended. If they have issues, they should be talked about and if there are other platforms doing a better job, that criticism should be discussed. To the degree you remain sensitive about it is the degree to which you will continue to be unable to understand or accept the points being made. I say that as someone who has been gaming on every platform available since before you were probably born. Attaching your emotional state and self-esteem to platforms and behaving as a _______ Warrior will only cloud your judgment.

If you've played the myriad of game types available for all platforms and come to the conclusion that the only games you like are X games and they are not available on A, B, C, or D platforms, then your only option is to play on E platform with all the limitations that come with it. That doesn't make E platform better; it simply makes it the only place you can play. Understand the difference. If my favorite games were all iOS games, it would not be a rational argument for me to say that iOS as a platform provides an objectively equal or better experience to a console or PC, right? Of course it wouldn't be. That's a subjective position unworthy of any sort of debate. The same goes for your love for japanese titles which are often platform limited to one or two consoles. Those one or two consoles don't represent a better environment to play in; simply the only options you have.

I'm bored of this and will get back to work. Maybe some of this will sink in. But it appears you're emotionally invested like I used to see people in Gamespot's System Wars a decade ago. Very sensitive, egos attached to the only console they could afford and willing to flame anyone and anything that may speak ill of their console children. It was tiring in 2005; I'm for damn sure not going to entertain it in 2015. So good luck with that.

 

[paperspace]

PC's can do just about ANYthing and yet we have booming markets for devices that accomplish specific tasks.

Very much due to marketing.

 

[Yudoken]

I think your argument works if people were saying that PC gaming is better because PC games are better. But that's not what anyone is saying, so your point sort of falls flat. People are saying PCs are better because they provide a better environment to game in. Their supporting points include but are not limited to:

- free online
- near infinite backwards compatibility
- robust settings options
- high scaling with better hardware
- VR support (which should scale much better than Morpheus, of course)
- mod support
- support for any and every type of USB controller and peripheral input (including all of your favorite X360, XOne, PS2, PS3 and PS4 compatible controllers)
- modular nature allowing for part upgrades as you see fit
- emulation
- open nature
- lower prices
- higher income for developers
- comfy couch TV play with big picture mode and any of a variety of control options, making PC more TV friendly than ever before

It's an argument that is less about games (which turn into a subjective debate and purely a matter of taste, as we all understand) and more of an objective debate about features and the nature of the platforms themselves.

With the number of features that have been downgraded going from last gen to this gen on consoles, rising prices for online play, royalties, and expensive peripherals that have to be re-bought again and again (I refuse to upgrade my TE arcade stick. Fuck you), it seems like a sound argument to me. Before even discussing 720p/900p and 30fps disappointments that highlight this generation.

Pretty much this.
If you support pc gaming you support an mostly open and developer friendly environment.
People shouldn't be forced to a specific hardware to play a game.

 

[Corronchilejano]

Where's the "Nintendo doesn't make PC games" line?

Spoiler

Probably around the emulator section.

 

[Disxo]

With tiny, minuscule catalogues. I'd spend a ton on PSN and Virtual Console, but they hardly ever bother to put new classic games on those services.

Yeah I know, I only mentioned it as an example though.

 

[off duty ninja]

Honestly I'm just gonna be a little rude cause this argument has nothing to do with the pc platform itself the and the choices these types makes. If you don't have a comfy couch setup or something comfy you like make it. You're console setup didn't magically appear did it now? You had to get the couch, the big tv and good sound setup right?

Personally I don't want to be a PC gamer. While I do enjoy some PC games I have never been able to afford staying up to date with PC gaming. The argument "just get all the things you need for a comfy PC setup" isn't a very good argument either. My gaming budget is very limited and I am certainly not going to spend a ridiculous amount of money to become a comfy couch PC gamer.

I probably shouldn't have even commented but I am tired of people playing dumb about why someone wouldn't want to play games at a computer when they sit at a computer all day. if you don't get it, oh well.

But I don't see how that is relevant or specific to PC. Just because you have your PC in a uncomfortable environment doesn't mean it has to be that way for every PC-user.

I never said it was that way for every PC user. Just like all you comfy couch PC gamers shouldn't make the same assumption. That's all.

 

[Denton]

8 hours a day I sit in front of a computer @ work....so more console gaming @ home for me.

This is such an amazing argument.

I sit at work for 8 hours in front of two 24" LCD monitors connected to a computer..

then I come home, fire up my computer connected to 55" plasma and play Witcher 3 for 3 hours from my couch in 1080p/60fps at ultra settings with amazing mods and loading times that take 5 seconds. Why wouldn't I ?

 

[nubbe]

There is an argument?

 

[ViolentP]

If you have a lot of cash and don't care about any of the great console exclusives out there, then sure, PC's are better.

If you have a lot of cash and don't care about any of the great PC exclusives out there, then sure, console's are better.

Argument works both ways.

 

[More_Badass]

Personally I don't want to be a PC gamer. While I do enjoy some PC games I have never been able to afford staying up to date with PC gaming. The argument "just get all the things you need for a comfy PC setup" isn't a very good argument either. My gaming budget is very limited and I am certainly not going to spend a ridiculous amount of money to become a comfy couch PC gamer.

I probably shouldn't have even commented but I am tired of people playing dumb about why someone wouldn't want to play games at a computer when they sit at a computer all day. if you don't get it, oh well.

All you need is an HDMI cable and controller

That's it. Why are you assuming it requires a ridiculous amount of money?

 

[Tadie]

All you need is an HDMI cable and a controller. It literally takes seconds.

I think you're assuming playing PC games on TV requires some complex complicated set-up

And then i will kick some ass in BF4, COD, Titanfall and other MP shooters?

I really like shooters, but I need to plug in mouse and keyboard to be competitive. And thats not really comfortable on couch.

 

[Primethius]

Thanks to marketing.

No, there are very clear advantages to owning a console if that's where your preferences lie.

PC is a very versatile platform, that offers a heck of a lot above and beyond what consoles do, but marketing isn't the reason consoles are successful.

I'd wager the biggest for most people (including myself, even though I own a powerful PC) is ease of use. PC gaming has gotten much easier over time but it's still nowhere near console gaming. And sometimes, you just don't want to deal with stuff on PC before you open up a game and start playing.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Very much due to marketing.

Well there are compelling arguments to be made for using a Chromecast over setting up your PC in the living room

Maybe the very nature of how we view PC's (as a ubiquitous office device) creates an opening for other devices to step in

Im leaving out a lot of details of course but you get the idea right?