Arc Christelle
Member
Honestly the only Street Fighter I didn't like was the IV series.
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
- Start date
Honestly the only Street Fighter I didn't like was the IV series.
notworksafe
Member
so sf3 characters are either garbage-tier characters not popular enough to make it in the roster or so popular they are being saved for dlc to make capcom millions.
looks like you guys got all the bases covered.
looks like you guys got all the bases covered.
DryEyeRelief
Member
A guy who likes Remy isn't in the place to throw stones.
Makoto and Remy were added to SFIII in the same iteration. Makoto went one way, and Remy went completely the opposite.
Arc Christelle
Member
The Rock and Steve Austin are New Generation. Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels are SF2 characters.
Remy's just a choice in a sea of options for me. I play the entire cast except Twelve.
Remy >Makoto
Reading up on ultra sfiv remix he should be able to cancel a shoryu with an air hadouken
Akuma should be soooooo much more annoying
I think III fans are vocal because III is so underrepresented in modern Street Fighter games. SF2, and to a lesser extent Alpha, received representation in the console releases of both IV and soon V. For the most part, SF2 fans just assume they'll get what they want and don't feel the need to beat their chest about it.
When the 16 character limit was revealed and Mika and Karin were revealed, finally SF2 fans started to post things like "Wait a minute, there's a chance Sagat won't make the cut?"
DryEyeRelief
Member
I know plenty of "SFIII fans" who like Chun Li, Ken and Akuma
Well they are classic sf3 characters
I laughed.
Arc Christelle
Member
I don't see why the dislike on Remy, he's good in all areas and flexible, regardless I'm always gonna rush down with charge characters.
I'm not that surprised in this first round of picks, but I am disappointed. I had hoped for more 3rd strike characters as well, but the World Warrior crew is just way more popular.
So disappointing. The 3rd Strike cast is so much more interesting than the cultural stereotypes we see in SF2, but that's the only cast anyone remembers or cares about.
I'm still hoping to see Q again some day, but I have a feeling I'll be waiting a very long time.
So disappointing. The 3rd Strike cast is so much more interesting than the cultural stereotypes we see in SF2, but that's the only cast anyone remembers or cares about.
I'm still hoping to see Q again some day, but I have a feeling I'll be waiting a very long time.
The Lone Dragon
Member
"Hardcore fans" aren't going to vote for RAIYUU and KEN in droves...yet there they are at the top, by a large margin.
PLENTY of non-hardcore fans took that poll. The poll was widely publicized by Capcom themselves.
If you want to know what a "hardcore" poll looks like: http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/...t-want-see-playable-capcoms-upcoming-fighter/
Ken and Akuma aren't even in the top 10.
And, if you're trying to argue that the online nature of the poll skews toward "hardcores", then I'm going to argue that non-online-saavy gamers are probably the ones who don't give a crap who's in the game anyways. That poll was from 2013, not 2000.
I feel like we'll see Alex & Urien first before we get any other SFIII guys. Though given Q's popularity, Ono's gonna have to dress said fans at some point.
I'm about the same. I just don't care for Remy at all.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That would be best way to go with. Just invest in archetype which is much better since most archetype usually come back. Like mine, grappler archetype; almost every fighting games have grapplers in thier roster.
If it's a repeat we'll get Remy in the background of a new stage.
Yes/
Did he say it was going to be an SF2 character? I thought he said they had overlooked the SF3 cast, which would mean this can only be Abel.
sixteen-bit
Member
looks like ur gonna have the pick opf the litter w/ that archetype in 5!
Definitely. At this point I fully expect some of the major 3rd strike cast to come back. The leaks and maybe Ibuki.
Q, though... I hope you're right. He's one of my all time favorite characters to play.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I'd much rather he be part of the initial roster than Dhalsim. Shotos forever! I don't care!
He said it's a classic mainstay of the series, a staple of the franchise. That sound like Abel or Remy to you? That sound like anything other than a SF2 character? Who said there's a character being shown at France?
The Lone Dragon
Member
Birdie is in the roster.
Popularity is obviously not the only factor here...especially in a tiny 16 character debut roster.
Adon got in SF4, even though Capcom straight up admitted that no one really asked for him.
You can do better than that.
I know why SFIII fans are vocal, and I share their plight.
I was mostly referring to the fact that others seem to feel entitled to take SFIII fans' (at times overly vocal) disappointment and turn it into "well, III's cast / gameplay sucks anyway" type sentiments instead of agreeing with them that (A) III and its cast have value even when they might not enjoy them as much, and (B) that III is indeed the series Capcom themselves seem to be continuing to overlook and that that certainly isn't helping to ease its fans nor to give its cast more of a chance to gain a bigger audience.
On the same note, us III fans should also not be above being happy for those that wanted to see Alpha characters return, or II characters for that matter (even though one could argue that a craving for II's cast equals being quite conservative in taste perhaps considering that they have been in so many games already...).
Master Thespian
Member
New Generation was less popular than SF3, lol. Hogan and Michaels are like SF1 characters that made it into SF2, breh.
DryEyeRelief
Member
He looks like a mop
Scrub Mcgrubb
Member
ALL of the Street Fighter iterations represented? Sawada and EX characters confirmed?!
The Hermit
Member
My only gripe about The SFII characters is that they don't envolve or grow older, except Bison, which is incidentally my fav character of SFV.
I mean, look at the Zangief trailer. He has amazing moveset and looks vicious, but its the freaking same outfit he is wearing since SFII. I was sadly underwhelmd.
I think people really liked the bearded /hot Ryu design because its a subtle way to show a more envolved character that people know since 92 or so.
Also, most of Alpha characters were visually updated, and people reception were much more positive. Hell, people actually care about Birdie.
I mean, look at the Zangief trailer. He has amazing moveset and looks vicious, but its the freaking same outfit he is wearing since SFII. I was sadly underwhelmd.
I think people really liked the bearded /hot Ryu design because its a subtle way to show a more envolved character that people know since 92 or so.
Also, most of Alpha characters were visually updated, and people reception were much more positive. Hell, people actually care about Birdie.
Stone Ocean
Member
Hot Ryu is supposed to be canon in the story so there's that, I guess.
DryEyeRelief
Member
The new generation of fighters seem like characters you are actually supposed to give a shit about. Why would anyone want to go through a story mode chapter based on E Honda or Blanka. A character like Ibuki works as protagonist. That's why there are comics about her.
I see it as indicative of some fans maturing with the franchise and wanting something less superficial. You're like Mega Man fans sick of the original and you rather have some movie about Zero, an advanced version of that character concept.
But will Poison ever become a potato?
Whatever floats your boat, man. 3s characters are constantly overlooked, but the company knows they're Uber popular. I don't care enough to argue about Internet polls.
Where they're put in games says all it needs to for me.
The Hermit
Member
What?
Ryu travels through a Middle Eastern desert but doesn't bring enough water so he suffers heat stroke. He is then saved by Rashid.
Gief has a very subtle hint of aging with crows feet in SFV.
DryEyeRelief
Member
It should be said that the characters that they brought back to 4 from 3, were the ones that fit well with the rest of the franchise. Meaning, a character with a loud personality and that can be a representative of a nation. (at least attempted representation).
It's why Remy and Necro, who look like they're from bargain bin anime dvd series haven't been brought back.
Arc Christelle
Member
Stone Ocean
Member
A bit early for homoerotica, isn't it
The Hermit
Member
sixteen-bit
Member
go too long w/o water ur bound to get thirsty
Abel is the main character of SF4 and has become a mainstay of the series and hasn't missed an installment since his introduction.
I've been joking btw.
Anyway I don't think that necessarily means it's an SF2 character. I think Sakura off the top of my head would fit that just fine. Yun/Yang have also been in just about everything since 3 so they could probably fit as well. it probably will be an SF2 character though.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yep, it would be tough for me to settle down with only few characters. Hopefully one of those character would be very comfortable for my gameplay style.
As an avid Dhalsim fan, I will compile some information/theories for and against a Dhalsim inclusion in the initial roster of SFV (More for myself more than anything else)
For:
-Dhalsim has been mentioned in several leak lists and therefore been continued to be mentioned by different members in the fgc when predicting the last classic character. (The lists have not been, and will likely not be confirmed, and I don't believe them to be true, but this is still important for reasons I will mention later on).
-Capcom has stated that there is one "classic character" returning.
-Capcom has stated that a classic character is someone you would expect to see in a Street Fighter game; A main stay that is pretty much almost present.
-The roster is missing a zoning character
-Combofiend stated early on: "Our goal is to make sure there's a character for everyone's style... We want to shy away from clones.". This supports the notion of a zoning character.
-No character has been given a range stat of 5, which is a spot Dhalsim would obviously fill. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRToCR4WIAAnKAE.jpg)
-A lot of people believe Dhalsim covers a void in the SFV roster that other projectile heavy zoners like Sagat and Guile does not fill as well (I am not confident about this one, but I will come back to it)
-There are plenty of anti zoning tools in the game, but noone it is obviously meant to counter.
-Gief has been added, and Dhalsim often appear with him.
-I personally spoke with a capcom representative and he said I would not be disappointed after telling him I wanted a zoning character and that I wanted Dhalsim.
-It was stated at PAX, by Combofiend that: "after the Mika reveal, there will be at least one more pure grappler and a "really annoying male zoner". (Gief was announced after, and a lot of people consider Dhalsim to be the most annoying zoner of the classic characters. This is third hand information from Adamwoz at Neogaf)
-India has a games exp (IGX) from the 14th.-15th. of November, which is a good opportunity to announce Dhalsim (Kind of like Gief was announced in Russia).
-Dahlgren stated approximately the following when asked what is meant by classic character: "I don't want to give it away entirely. We have been giving a lot of hints, and people who are in the know are pretty smart" (Capcom has been around hinting towards a future zoner for a while, and a lot of people who have been predicting the two characters that are left, have mentioned Dhalsim. This might be what Dahlgren is referring to)
Against:
-Dhalsim is an unhype character for a lot of people (Even with redesign of gameplay, people will be biased against him)
-SFV looks like a game that is meant to be offensive and has a lot of anti zoning tools, which might suggest that they don't want a character like Dhalsim to be in it. (Or that he would be mauled if he is put in the game)
-Dahlgren has stated "not necessarily", after being asked "Classic character isn't limited to sf2 right?"
-The Indian games expo does not have confirmed Capcom presence at this time.
-A leak from Ken Bogard suggests that Zen might be from India, which makes a Dhalsim reveal less likely (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143302117&postcount=1076). The leak did get Rashid=Africa wrong though, so this needs to be taken with a grain of salt)
Edit: If someone has any information/solid theory that I have missed, please tell me
For:
-Dhalsim has been mentioned in several leak lists and therefore been continued to be mentioned by different members in the fgc when predicting the last classic character. (The lists have not been, and will likely not be confirmed, and I don't believe them to be true, but this is still important for reasons I will mention later on).
-Capcom has stated that there is one "classic character" returning.
-Capcom has stated that a classic character is someone you would expect to see in a Street Fighter game; A main stay that is pretty much almost present.
-The roster is missing a zoning character
-Combofiend stated early on: "Our goal is to make sure there's a character for everyone's style... We want to shy away from clones.". This supports the notion of a zoning character.
-No character has been given a range stat of 5, which is a spot Dhalsim would obviously fill. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRToCR4WIAAnKAE.jpg)
-A lot of people believe Dhalsim covers a void in the SFV roster that other projectile heavy zoners like Sagat and Guile does not fill as well (I am not confident about this one, but I will come back to it)
-There are plenty of anti zoning tools in the game, but noone it is obviously meant to counter.
-Gief has been added, and Dhalsim often appear with him.
-I personally spoke with a capcom representative and he said I would not be disappointed after telling him I wanted a zoning character and that I wanted Dhalsim.
-It was stated at PAX, by Combofiend that: "after the Mika reveal, there will be at least one more pure grappler and a "really annoying male zoner". (Gief was announced after, and a lot of people consider Dhalsim to be the most annoying zoner of the classic characters. This is third hand information from Adamwoz at Neogaf)
-India has a games exp (IGX) from the 14th.-15th. of November, which is a good opportunity to announce Dhalsim (Kind of like Gief was announced in Russia).
-Dahlgren stated approximately the following when asked what is meant by classic character: "I don't want to give it away entirely. We have been giving a lot of hints, and people who are in the know are pretty smart" (Capcom has been around hinting towards a future zoner for a while, and a lot of people who have been predicting the two characters that are left, have mentioned Dhalsim. This might be what Dahlgren is referring to)
Against:
-Dhalsim is an unhype character for a lot of people (Even with redesign of gameplay, people will be biased against him)
-SFV looks like a game that is meant to be offensive and has a lot of anti zoning tools, which might suggest that they don't want a character like Dhalsim to be in it. (Or that he would be mauled if he is put in the game)
-Dahlgren has stated "not necessarily", after being asked "Classic character isn't limited to sf2 right?"
-The Indian games expo does not have confirmed Capcom presence at this time.
-A leak from Ken Bogard suggests that Zen might be from India, which makes a Dhalsim reveal less likely (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143302117&postcount=1076). The leak did get Rashid=Africa wrong though, so this needs to be taken with a grain of salt)
Edit: If someone has any information/solid theory that I have missed, please tell me
It's never too early. Let's see where this goes...
yurinka
Member
Regarding Dhalsim and Capcom presence in the Indian event: according to Ken Bogard seems we'll get an stage set in India. That event isn't huge so with the Indian stage would be enough. Zen also can have a Dhalsim-like gameplay so can replace the void of a Dhalsim-like character in the roster. And if Zen is Indian, then they can also announce the character there.
But I assume Capcom would prefer to announce characters at PGW and PSX because they will get more media attention. And well, I doubt they expand the initial 16 roster with more characters (Urien and Alex?) or that they start to announce DLC characters like 4 months before release.
As always most players will be casual fans, who very likely skipped SFIII and maybe even SFIV series, so will appreciate to have a good selection of SF2 characters plus several new faces who don't care if are back from 3S, USFIV, SFA3 or if brand new.
They there will be a decent portion of players who will grind or pay to get all the players.
I think this explains why SFIII characters are going to be there, but mainly as unlockable/DLC characters. Almost everyone will be happy with that.
But I assume Capcom would prefer to announce characters at PGW and PSX because they will get more media attention. And well, I doubt they expand the initial 16 roster with more characters (Urien and Alex?) or that they start to announce DLC characters like 4 months before release.
The SFIII is a small hardcore niche compared to the whole population of SF players, who will likely to play the game a lot. So they would appreciate to grind for 3S characters than for Birdie or El Fuerte.
As always most players will be casual fans, who very likely skipped SFIII and maybe even SFIV series, so will appreciate to have a good selection of SF2 characters plus several new faces who don't care if are back from 3S, USFIV, SFA3 or if brand new.
They there will be a decent portion of players who will grind or pay to get all the players.
I think this explains why SFIII characters are going to be there, but mainly as unlockable/DLC characters. Almost everyone will be happy with that.
Fair enough. And yeah it probably is an SF2 character.
Am I understanding it correctly that Ken Bogard has recently said a stage will be announced at the Indian event? So Capcom will be there?