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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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Divvy said:
I think Harper does a pretty reasonable facsimile of a human being

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That cat was never seen again.

Did Harper eat it!?
 
trifelife said:
Vancouver Granville is going to be interesting with Leadnow trying to fuck the game up with their sham NDP endorsement. I'd vote Green but the riding's going to be too tight.

Alright let's do this.
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LeadNow is dumb, and bloc voting is dumb but the only way one arrives at the conclusion that the Liberals are the obvious strategic vote in this riding is by picking and choosing which local polls one chooses to believe in.

This one has a been a clear three way race that anyone could win from day one.
 
Zombie James said:
Report it.
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Hmm, I wonder if a candidate has ever done this, pretending to be the opposition so in case they lose, maybe they can still get in if it gets reported.


Edit: Just noticed google.ca has a doodle that shows who's running in your riding (after entering your postal code). Don't remember them doing that last time.
 
ksharp said:
Market is slowly adjusting for a Liberal win. Loonie is free fallin' at the moment.
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Statements like this are about the biggest bullshit you could sell, but we do it all the time.

Beyond sports, one can simply look to the stock market for additional examples of our causation fixation run amok. Each day, numerous indices -- the Nasdaq, the S&P 500, the Dow, the Nikkei, etc. -- move up and down, and every downturn, every upswing, is attributed to something, whether it's solid jobs data, poor consumer confidence, boosted home sales, troubles in Europe, or a captivating news story.

Nassim Taleb noted how ridiculous this is in his book The Black Swan. In the hours after former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was captured on December 13th, 2003, Bloomberg News blared the headline, "U.S. TREASURIES RISE; HUSSEIN CAPTURE MAY NOT CURB TERRORISM." Thirty minutes later, bond prices retreated and Bloomberg altered their headline: "U.S. TREASURIES FALL; HUSSEIN CAPTURE BOOSTS ALLURE OF RISKY ASSETS." A more correct headline might have been: "U.S. TREASURIES FLUCTUATE AS THEY ALWAYS DO; HUSSEIN CAPTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM WHATSOEVER," but that isn't what editors want to post, nor what people want to read.
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http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/03/creatures-of-causality.html

Never mind that it's a 0.4% fluctuation.
 
SheepyGuy said:
Dude was on my ballot. I'm hoping for some delicious right-wing vote splitting.
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We're in the same riding! Him being the leader explains why the Christian Heritage Party seems to have more signs up than the NDP.

Tiktaalik said:
Expect every party to work with every other party on an issue by issue basis.

We're not going to see a Liberal/NDP enlightened left wing coalition government. The Liberals will use the NDP to pass legislation when it serves them, and the Conservatives in other situations when the NDP balks at support.

Similarly at some point I'd expect the NDP to team up with the Conservatives to put the pressure on a Liberal government on something or other.
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Absolutely! I'd hope that the opposition parties would take their roles seriously, regardless of how many seats they win. But a formal arrangement between the Harper-less Conservatives and the NDP to keep the CPC in power would probably not end up so well for the NDP.

firehawk12 said:
I expect the NDP and Conservatives will feel no reservation voting down bills that won't trigger any kind of confidence motion.

That said, if it's a majority, then it doesn't matter. Any NDP MPs that survived from last term should just be glad that they have enough tenure to collect a pension and spend the rest of the time planning their next careers. lol
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Yeah, about that...
 
matthewwhatever said:
We're in the same riding! Him being the leader explains why the Christian Heritage Party seems to have more signs up than the NDP.

Absolutely! I'd hope that the opposition parties would take their roles seriously, regardless of how many seats they win. But a formal arrangement between the Harper-less Conservatives and the NDP to keep the CPC in power would probably not end up so well for the NDP.

Yeah, about that...
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You know, I wonder who is supposed to pay to staff those offices anyway. I guess it's not the tax payer. lol
 
JeTmAn81 said:
...so I heard you guys aren't too keen on Harper.
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Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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Here is a fucking platform for you. How about as a brown man I have different fucking rights than you and that's why I am not voting for Harper. Is that good enough for you?
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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It's not like we haven't also been talking platform and policy for 10,000 posts. You really only see what you want to see, don't you?
 
FreeQuebec86 said:
Hey ! This seem to be the place to post this!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cF2Xnde1aw

I made the 4 majors party leader and make them fight in WWE 2k15 !!!

My english is REALLY bad i think... But i wanted to do it in english, because Canada's majority is english

I hope you might like it! If you hate my voice, just turn off the sound xD.

Good election day people ! And i'm open to feedback, good or bad!
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Ha! This is pretty good... Fucking Duceppe going for bloody murder
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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There has been a looot of talk about platforms. All three. A good portion of this thread is highlighting the differences between the liberal and NDP platform, as the majority in this thread want to vote for one or the other. The conservative platform had been mentioned here or there, but no one seems fond of it. I think it would be great if you could share something of the conservative party that you think highlights their strong platform, just for diversity.
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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This election isn't about Harper.

source: Harper
 
matthewwhatever said:
Woah...Andrew Coyne, just now:



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i think the link has crashed, why did he resign?

ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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Lol, are you serious?

I have less rights compared to other Canadians thanks to Harper, he's effectively separated Canada based on racism and fear.

Oh wait and the economy, yea how's that looking under his watch?
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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I'm a Muslim so... Trudeau's and Mulcair's defense of me and mine kinda really puts them at odds with Harper using my family as a wedge issue.

Also they're not pro crippling Statistics Canada and muzzling scientists so that's pretty nice too.
 
ksharp said:
Market is slowly adjusting for a Liberal win. Loonie is free fallin' at the moment.
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Except that it was the liberal policies that helped raise it and protect it/us from the last recession in the first place. I don't vote liberal but c'mon. Don't be a fucking idiot.

After 10 years this fucker should be talking about all that he's accomplished. All that's been done is our economy is in the shitter, citizens have less rights than they did and everything has gone up like crazy with health care taking a beating this last decade due to lack of federal funding.
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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Well, that's what tends to happen when you piss off 70%+ of the Electorate. Its not like this is coming out of nowhere.
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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I wonder why that would be...
 
Mr. Giggles said:
i think the link has crashed, why did he resign?



Lol, are you serious?

I have less rights compared to other Canadians thanks to Harper, he's effectively separated Canada based on racism and fear.

Oh wait and the economy, yea how's that looking under his watch?
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Interference from ownership. They directed the editorial board endorsement, and then prevented him from running his own endorsement.
 
This thread has had plenty of talk about policy and platforms. It's not our fault that the Conservative platform is little more than a series of micro-targeted nonsense, or that the Conservative record is abysmal is every respect.

Mr. Giggles said:
i think the link has crashed, why did he resign?
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Whoops, broken link. Here's the correct one.

In a nutshell:
CANADALAND has learned that though Coyne the editor has signed off on an official National Post Harper endorsement, Coyne the columnist planned to endorse a different candidate under his own byline in the paper tomorrow.
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ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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Modern conservatism is a cesspool of thinly veiled racism, scientific censorship and denial, and ideology-based laws that skip facts and proper review. You're free to believe what you want and vote how you want, but don't think people are hating on Conservatives and Harper "just because".
 
Azih said:
I'm a Muslim so... Trudeau's and Mulcair's defense of me and mine kinda really puts them at odds with Harper using my family as a wedge issue.

Also they're not pro crippling Statistics Canada and muzzling scientists so that's pretty nice too.
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Yeah i HATED that "strategy" from Harper.

He bought a Australian Strategist that is known for that.

He's past "success" slogan was : Are you thinking, what were thinking ?

About immigration problems :O

That's why i did not said a word about this in my "funny-wrestling" video! It's just cheap political strategist.
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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Genuinely curious why are you voting for Harper?
 
Simon Belmont said:
Interference from ownership. They directed the editorial board endorsement, and then prevented him from running his own endorsement.
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matthewwhatever said:
Whoops, broken link. Here's the correct one.

In a nutshell:
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Thanks guys, reading now

Edit: Respect to Coyne, a man's gotta have principles

Buba Big Guns said:
Apparently thats not Harper's fault either. He only had 10 years to prepare for any potential volatility.
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Poor Harper, lets leave him alone guys /s
 
ksharp said:
Yep. As a Conservative, this thread is anything but a general election thread. It certainly feels like people are voting NDP/Liberal more out of extreme dislike for Harper than for actually supporting the other two parties' platforms.
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Oh, please. Harper is indistinguishable from the platform. He stumbled into a well regulated banking sector and a commodities boom and claimed economic success. The rest of their high-profile items have been avoiding accountability, reducing the effectiveness of public institutions, and fighting the Supreme Court. The military is still underfunded, the procurement process is still a mess, and they campaign on divisiveness and reducing politics to your tax bill. It's a disgusting approach to politics.

I've voted Conservative and Alliance federally and I cannot support their bullshit anymore. I wanted somebody to clean up Ottawa, not destroy ministerial accountability, reduce the role of media in democracy, and make the tax system more inefficient.

Trudeau may lack the experience, but the Liberals have deep bench strength. I jave faith in the team that will be behind him. I hope their Blue Liberal membership is strong. At the very least, they promised to restore the long form census.

Even without knowing the details of NDP or Liberal platforms, the ubinformed voter can feel safe that our international reputation and our approach to basic facts can not get any worse - that's for sure.
 
Zombie James said:
Modern conservatism is a cesspool of thinly veiled racism, scientific censorship and denial, and ideology-based laws that skip facts and proper review. You're free to believe what you want and vote how you want, but don't think people are hating on Conservatives and Harper "just because".
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My comment was in relation to what I see regularly on this thread or on my Facebook feed about "voting Harper out of Ottawa."
 
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