The CPC showed their true colors when they dropped the GST to 5% at the very beginning. They weren't interested in cleaning up Ottawa, but rather to obtain and maintain power.
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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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The CPC showed their true colors when they dropped the GST to 5% at the very beginning. They weren't interested in cleaning up Ottawa, but rather to obtain and maintain power.
Perfect Blue
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You know, if it were a monetary reason I can somewhat understand, since JT wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. It's dickish and selfish but at least makes a lot more sense than low-income and middle-class people voting against their self interests when they vote Conservative/Republican.
Fair enough if you make enough money to get your taxes increased by a Liberal government but no bueno on the deficit spending bit. IMO the best time to record deficits and invest in our country is right now.
I don't agree with Harper's platform, and I don't like him as the leader of this country.
Zombie James
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You've picked a very interesting time to start caring about deficits.
massivekettle
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How is this dickish and selfish? What do you make of all corporations when they try to do the exact same thing? Are you going to boycott them (good luck) because they are acting dickish and selfish?
Yeah, "The longer I'm Prime Minister, the longer I'm Prime Minister."
As soon as they dropped the GST, I knew we were in trouble. Campaigning with the Fords too... No principles or class whatsoever. May the PCs rise from the ashes.
Simon Belmont
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Won't somebody please think of the people making over 200k!?!
matthewwhatever
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Try to get people to understand your position. Compare yourself to a corporation.
Perfect Blue
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Corporations aren't people so I'm not sure that's an accurate example. But... yes, voting to keep your own taxes low is selfish, in my opinion. You're free to do this it's just my opinion. If Canadians in their history only voted to benefit their own self interest we wouldn't be one of the greatest countries on earth.
massivekettle
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-deficit-budget-infrastructure-spending-1.3237596
Article like these freak me out.
equippedwithtowel
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Because fuck deficit spending when our currency's low and GDP growth is trending down right. I don't get this allergic reaction people have.
Dude. Big companies also lobby for huge subsidies, increased regulation to keep out the competition, and better infrastructure. Our health care doesn't hurt them either.
matthewwhatever
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And yet, somehow, the fact we've been in deficit for most of the last decade didn't. That tells us exactly how principled your stand against them is.
People think debt is bad because they're comparing government debt to personal debt.
I understand concern over Ontario's debt, but Federal level debt really isn't a big issue at all. Harper has blown billions on wasted efforts during his "Economic Action Plan" bullshit and we have nothing to show for that. Going into debt in order to spend on things like infrastructure isn't an issue considering the significant returns generated from things like infrastructure spending and the fact that debt is incredibly cheap right now.
massivekettle
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$200k is nothing. Depends on your lifestyle, and situation (single, married, etc.)
This is just an example. Everyone should be looking to minimize their tax footprint, not just ultra rich people. It's just a bit nicer when the Government is being helpful in the process (like the CPC has been).
Just like asking for the upper-middle-class to fund social programs via tax increases is also selfish... It goes both ways.
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https://www.cef-cce.gc.ca/content.asp?section=comp&dir=faq&document=p1&lang=e
Impeccable
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... wow, lmao.
I'd rather run a deficit with low interest lending with that money being spent on infrastructure than run a deficit merely to ease the tax burdens for harpers friends.
This is why I don't appreciate the view points of Conservatives. Very selfish and single minded. Looking out for yourself. Not the environment. Not your fellow Canadians. Not Globally. Not for your military. Not for social justice. Not for scientific progress.
Just me and my taxes. My money. DON'T TOUCH IT!!!!
And I have heard this before from other people voting Conservative.
killer rin
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Its the good thing the Liberals are lowering taxes for the majority of Canadians then.
Yeah, I hate it when a politician says they're going to run a 10 billion dollar deficit and then does it. I much prefer politicians who say they'll run a surplus and then run a 50 billion dollar deficit.
Sorry, why should everyone look to minimize their tax footprint? Do you know what taxes are for?
Simon Belmont
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That, and they see Greece and learn all the wrongs lessons. Never mind that tax evasion is practically a sport there, it's definitely deficits that caused that so we should probably start a race to lower and avoid taxes here.
My wife makes pretty close to that, so I'll have roughly none of that bullshit from you. Try living on $30k then tell me $200k is tough. Muffin.
Silver Arrows
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i simply can't with this
PumpkinSpice
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Why? I'm OK with being taxed more, if it's spent on useful stuff like transit or daycare or pharmacare. Just not anti-commie monuments & useless jets.
Deficit hawks are the worst.
Oh don't forget taking money we already have then pretend it's revenue for campaigning purposes
That G&M "endorsement" was one of the most entertaining things to come out of this campaign.
I still get a chuckle out of it.
Perfect Blue
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Except I haven't ever claimed to think that nor has anyone else in this thread. I think most of us can agree everyone should be paying their fair share to benefit the whole, and some can afford to pay more than others. I know I wouldn't mind paying a bit higher in taxes and I'm a 23 year old who just started working full-time.
Zombie James
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I've mention this before (maybe it was in this thread) but there are good deficits and bad deficits. Deficits caused by the myth that giving tax cuts to the wealthy will create jobs is way, way worse than deficits caused by infrastructure spending. Spending on infrastructure will directly create jobs. How many jobs will income splitting create?
Simon Belmont
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Ksharp doesn't understand we tax based on means, not use.
It's nearly three times the average Canadian income.
"is nothing" lol
No, that's not what everyone should be doing.
Taking money from the haves and giving it to the have-nots is basically the opposite of selfish.
massivekettle
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And in the process not catering to my needs which is why I will stay from them.
I am looking out for my fellow Canadian. We already have a really good social welfare net. I don't necessarily agree with the Conservatives on social issues, but since they rank lower on my hierarchy of needs, then it makes the voting decision much easier.
TheRealTalker
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well you know keeping your promises are foreign to some Conservative Media
Slightly off topic but LOOOOOOOOOOL
But he isn't in the majority, hence the annoyance.
killer rin
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Oh I know, just showing that what he is getting annoyed at can be applied both ways
Which is why I switched to the Liberals
It's the policy I think we need right now given the economic situation in Canada.
Also, Toronto desperately needs transit infrastructure, Trudeau pls!
Buba Big Guns
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What he means is that income inequality is only going to increase with policies like TFSA limit increasing by $10,000 per year. Very few people can take advantage of that.
It is pretty dickish. And then you have the conservatives fucking over immigrants and scientists to boot so it's a pretty easy choice. Fuck Harper.
You do realize that eventually Harper would run out of things to sell off and he would run out of government funds to dip his greedy hands into to fund his fake surpluses, right?
Trudeau is being honest with Canadians in regards to temporary deficits and has a plan to bring us back to the surpluses that we had under the Liberals.
Harper is being dishonest with Canadians and is promising a fake balanced budget, not accounting for the fact that his buddies, the Saudis, have stated that oil prices will stay low for the foreseeable future, and that would probably put us in a permanent recession moving forward.
It's hilarious that you paint Harper as some economic genius, yet he was unable to balance the budget when oil prices were high. Imagine how badly he would ruin our economy with low oil prices.
It's definitely selfish because you're only thinking about your bottom line. You're not a corporation looking to appease shareholders.
Apparently it's ok when the Conservatives do it. That's the Conservative supporters' excuse for Harper's late 2000's deficits, that he was deficit spending because we were in a recession, never mind that no long term benefit for the country came out of those years.
I support Coyne's choice. I like the Liberals,but I not in love with them and kinda don't trust them. I just hope they revise C-51 to make it good or scrap it if they can't revise the bill if the win government and deal with the TPP appropriately.I also hope they run a good govenment that appeals to Canadians and not just their base like Harper's government in the last few years. I'm also kinda shocked Coyne is supporting the NDP
massivekettle
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Then let's agree to disagree. I don't want to pay more than I currently pay, and certainly not have to pay more than 50 cents to the government for every dollar that I earn whilst working my ass off 80+ hours/7 days a week.
I know. But infrastructure spending (I've posted here before) is not an easy answer to boosting growth. It often ends up wasteful and inefficient if not properly managed.
Yes, it is selfish. From a different standpoint. Who says that you have to increase tax to "giving it to have-nots". I am sure that there are other ways to streamline spending and re-allocate without taking away from those who happen to be making more.
matthewwhatever
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Reminder: this is how the Sun reacted to the announcement:
Good thing that's not how progressive taxation works, then.
I think the personal demonization goes a little far (like gutter_trash making fun of how he interacts with his kids a few pages ago). What I hate are his policies and his courting of traditionalist conservatives who would love nothing more than to label people I love and care about as mentally ill or even criminal. On top of that, his economic policies have been proven time and time again to, in the long run, increase the gap between the wealthy and the poor and make the former's wealth more deeply entrenched.
I would never vote for a Conservative party run the way Harper runs it, no matter who's at the helm. And I pay plenty of taxes and would gladly pay more.
But you'd never have to pay more than 50 cents for every dollar that you earn.
FreeQuebec86
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Deficit from nowhere :O:O:O xD
FUCKING LOL
is this just a bad troll or what
I just assume his math rounds up to the nearest half a dollar.
massivekettle
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I read an article saying that Trudeau's tax increase would push the marginal (combined) tax rate to over 50% in certain provinces (quite likely mine).
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