I don't, us grits campaign from the left and govern from the right.
How else do you get to the centre?
CBC is announcing that Justin Trudeau will be the next Prime Minister of Canada
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I don't, us grits campaign from the left and govern from the right.
How else do you get to the centre?
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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I wish we had a left wing liberal prime minister 
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Good job Canada.
(netherlands)Good job Canada.
You Are Viewtiful
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The difference is the federal Liberals copied the Ontario Liberal's campaign directly. They tested the campaign in Ontario and then they took it federally. Oh, and in Ontario's case, the provincial and federal parties are very much linked. Kathleen Wynne was campaigning for Trudeau and vice versa in the provincial election.
Our politics are mostly pretty boring. I'll throw out a few of the finer points for you from as far back as I know enough not to be stupid.
Pierre Trudeau - Great leader. Bad memories people have of him. Dealt with Quebec wanting to not be Canada. Gave us our charter of rights. Etc.
Brian Mulroney - A joke. Helped push through NAFTA with Bush. Was not as beneficial to Canadians as promised. No one really likes him. He was terrible.
Kim Campbell - I'm not checking how her name is spelled, I did it like the soup. She wasn't in power very long. She did bad. Put females in Canadian politics back a bit. Kind of like Leela when she played ball in Futurama. It's better now.
Jean Chretien - My ideal PM. He had so many great policies, campaigned for gay marriage, was the reason why Canadians were proud to be a 'liberal' country (not party, but as a whole we were liberal people). He got us to our strongest economy in my lifetime.
Paul Martin - Blew it. Blew it bad.
Stephen Harper - Fat, racist, piece of shit. Claimed that he kept this country afloat (high oil did). His first plan was to get rid of gay marriage (WHICH was done via vote and not a bill, people voted for it). I'm very socially liberal so from day 1 I despised him. His policies did NOT get better. Scandals, corruption, and this time his party isn't in power to keep themselves from going to jail for it.
Justin Trudeau - Lets see how it goes. I'm stoked. Die hard red blooded liberal. He could let me down, but I hope this goes well. He can win me over with 3 moves:
Repeal C-24. Repeal (or at least HEAVILY revise) C-51. Legalize Marijuana (I don't even smoke weed anymore, but it needs to happen)
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
so, same as American politics?
Whatever, a more sensible Prime Minster is always better.
My riding had NDP beating the Conservatives by
51
The U.K., Australia and New Zealand each have Conservative majorities so who is at this cool girls' table?
Look the platforms of the NDP, Green, Liberals, and Conservatives. The paradigm has shifted. Here is the new breakdown
Green <--- Liberals <--- NDP ---> N/A ---> Conservatives
You are using history to sway your opinion instead of dynamically adjusting your view based on the new paradigm. It's fair to have your cynicism, but on paper the paradigm has switched.
My riding had NDP beating the Conservatives byvotes.51
The U.K., Australia and New Zealand each have Conservative majorities so who is at this cool girls' table?
We ARE the cool kids table
I recommend reading about U.K.'s Westminster system since that is where it all began. Ours is pretty much the same but I think there are some differences. If you know how that system works, you will have a basic understanding of the political system in 30 countries.
I hope he makes some big moves and lives up to the Trudeau name. That man is a legend.
He really was. BUT there are a lot of people (die hard blue voters) who refer to him as the worst PM in history. I mean, if the charter of rights doesn't matter I guess. Not like I enjoy my rights or anything. And being able to keep our country together, that wasn't a big deal. And getting through the 70s recession (for non Canadians, we got it pretty bad around then, took over 30 years for Alberta to get that debt paid off. And we are the 'money' province. By money I mean oil. Albertans think we are the only important thing in this country. It's kind of funny)
Ah, Jean Chretien. How I miss you.
When you weren't kicking ass and spitting truths, you were tossing and strangling protestors for the entertainment of all.
A PROOF IS A PROOF AND WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD PROOF IT'S BECAUSE IT IS PROVEN
I think the hate side was just very vocal this election to father Trudeau, but he was rated the 3rd greatest canadian by a nation-wide vote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Canadian
Beating out Lester B. Pearson and John A. MacDonald as the highest rated Prime Minister.
News and detractors have just been focusing on how Quebec was handled with the war measures act and other Trudeau blunders trying to paint a picture for Trudeau Jr. But the Charter of Rights implementation is one of the most important things to be done by a Canadian. Only thing Canadians consider greater are Universal Healthcare, and an absolute hero (or at least my greatest hero).
You keep saying this, but you're not backing up your claim, and the burden of proof is on you. They promised to repeal C-51, abolish the Senate, $15/hour federal minimum wage, make prescription drugs more affordable, $15/day daycare and raise taxes on corporations. What made them so centrist? And what made the Liberals so far-left radical socialist?
I think it will take at least a decade for the Conservatives to retool this time.They lost a lot of support especially from minorities in certain ridings.That support won't be easy to gain back.
I agree with Tabris. The haters are all partisans that come out during election time. I think Pierre Trudeau will forever be remembered as one of the greatest Prime Ministers of Canada. The more time that passes, the greater that sentiment will become. Every immigrant to this country (and their children) has him to thank.
TurtleSnatcher
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Being a US Citizen who just moved to Canada, I'm happy. No more Lego Hair.
Also US people... Liberals are middle of the pack here.
Left - NDP
Middle - Liberal
Right - Conservative
At least that's how I've seen it.
Also US people... Liberals are middle of the pack here.
Left - NDP
Middle - Liberal
Right - Conservative
At least that's how I've seen it.
Yeah but I think that translates to Democrat for them.
I think it goes like this (left to right):
NDP
Liberal
Democrat
Conservative
Republican
I'd say after Harper's racist hate mongering, he and his like are right behind the GOP.
SomedayTheFire
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Good time to move to Canada?
Much larger government spending then focused on balanced budget. <-- this is what won me over.
Willing to tax high income earners.
Legalize Marijuana.
Also I really hated the $15/hr federal minimum wage as it was so easily mis-represented. It was a $15/hr minimum wage for federal workers, not a federal minimum wage. I would support an actual $15/hr federal minimum wage, not what Mulcair was trying to mis-represent.
firehawk12
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The federal government doesn't have the ability to set an actual national minimum wage though.
Yeah, thus the mis-representation. It was a shady platform item instead of just being upfront in their language. How many people would it have affected? Between 100,000 to 135,000.
firehawk12
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I guess so. I just never saw that as a point of confusion. I assume the idea there is that if federal workers get that, then there's pressure to raise it in other jurisdictions.
I put the huge gap between Conservatives and the Republicans because the Republicans have a long history of clear and blatant racism. They are batshit insane. While Harper has done racist stuff before the election, what he did during his campaign was something very new. If he was always that racist, he would have banned Islam from Canada with his majority.
Good time to move to Canada?
I would say so. The Conservatives party is in trouble. Stephen Harper has stepped down as party leader and there is no clear successor. I expect a Liberal win in the next election but anything can happen.
SomedayTheFire
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Nice nice. Just need to get over the fear of looking for a job and a place.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Also, the dollar is low so you'll be coming into the country with quite a bit more of money
MrCunningham
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Canada-US relations about to get a whole lot better
Harper always came off as a GOP agent just posing as our prime minister. He didn't really seem to get along very well with Obama's administration. Will Trudeau Jr. be any better? I don't know. But it is nice to see a change in face in our Prime Minister.
All signs point to yes. And many neocons didn't like how Obama people were apparently helping Justin's campaign either.
massivekettle
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Experts don't really share your thoughts on Chretien, Trudeau, not even Harper...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Canadian_prime_ministers
Not gonna happen with Corbyn as Labour chief.
The experts have PET and Chrétien over Harper, and if you look at that list, most of the highly thought of PMs have all been Liberal.
Either modern day Liberal from the Parti Rouge and Clear Grits or MacDonald's Liberal-Conservatives.
Who you know Harper's CPC has even denounced as a Liberal when trying to use shady politics to try and woo the Chinese Canadian vote.
Time will not be good to Harper.
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massivekettle
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Those are MacLean's rankings, so obviously biased to Liberals.
We will have to wait and see how good time will be to Harper. As for most leaders, there is good (yes, there is), bad and ugly. It's foolish to argue otherwise.
Neverforget
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He is young and has amazing eyes-lashes! Oh and congrats Canada, you did well 
So do Canadians think Trudeau will stick to what he said in June and do away with FPTP in Canada?
Having it here in the UK, the one thing I've come to learn (and resent) about FPTP is that it's woefully unfair in anything but a two party system, and the safe seats show great preference to the bigger parties, denying many citizens a voice and representation in government.
At any rate, enjoy the moment, Canada. Glad that your country, and the world, is rid of Harper. I am of the view that no matter what they call themselves (Conservatives, Republicans, whatever) Tories are worse than vermin and shouldn't control any levers of power whatsoever. Wherever you find them, they are a national embarrassment.
Congrats!
Having it here in the UK, the one thing I've come to learn (and resent) about FPTP is that it's woefully unfair in anything but a two party system, and the safe seats show great preference to the bigger parties, denying many citizens a voice and representation in government.
At any rate, enjoy the moment, Canada. Glad that your country, and the world, is rid of Harper. I am of the view that no matter what they call themselves (Conservatives, Republicans, whatever) Tories are worse than vermin and shouldn't control any levers of power whatsoever. Wherever you find them, they are a national embarrassment.
Congrats!
I think it'd be in Justin's best interest to remind everyone he never could even attempt to surpass his Dad's swag and then just say he's getting on to business
I mean really...
Oh shit, you mean to tell me Canada once had a pimp as PM?
RumblingRosco
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Can someone give me a link or a run-down of what Justin Trudeau promised the run-up to the election? What's his stance on some of the major issues in Canada?
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Proportional Representation would still result in Tory-led governments in the UK.
2015: Tories 240 seats + UKIP 83 seats = a majority once Sinn Fein's seats are out of the equation.
2010: Tories 234 seats + Lib Dem 150 seats = just the same as reality.
And English people need to face facts here: the last 9 general elections have been won by parties that have promoted conservative policies. Socialism is dead in England.
Nonsense. People vote differently in general elections because of FPTP. I'm not saying we'll never get Tory governments, or Tory-led coalitions again, because we will. What I'm saying is that we won't have a situation where governments are elected by 25% of the electorate (or 37% of the popular vote if you don't want to factor turnout into it).
If the Tories, or a Tory-led coalition got into government on more than 50% of the vote, I would accept the result no matter how much I disagree with the majority of the country (it is why I begrudgingly accepted the 2010 result because Tory + LibDem was more than 50% of the popular vote and 50% of the seats, so it was a representative coalition that had bits and pieces of policy from both parties). The problem with FPTP when there's more than two parties is that the result is so skewed it might as well not be legitimate.
Even if socialism were "dead" (which it's not, and that's a ridiculous assertion to make) then proportional representation in Britain (or any other country) is still a democratic ideal worth striving for. Also, I'm not English.
Anyway, regardless, I am not particularly interested in shitting up a Canadian election thread with British electoral system talk. I was just curious as to whether people think Trudeau would still introduce fairer votes despite his party's big win.
massivekettle
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Sure, ok. You seem to have a very short and/or extremely selective memory (with regards to UK politics).
He sure doesn't.
We sure did.
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