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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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Out of morbid curiosity, I wonder what it'd be like if Micheal Bay got to direct one of these movies lol.

American flags errywhere, camera flying up Rey's skirt, blaster porn, wires... everything on wires, enough gasoline to fuel a country for a year, sexism for days, people snorting deathsticks and then dryhumping to yub nub, Finn dismembering people for no reason while spouting one-liners.
 
American flags errywhere, camera flying up Rey's skirt, blaster porn, wires... everything on wires, enough gasoline to fuel a country for a year, sexism for days, people snorting deathsticks and then dryhumping to yub nub, Finn dismembering people for no reason while spouting one-liners.

"GIVE ME YOUR HELMET"
 
Well Kasdan is coproducing all of these so it's not going to be radically different like the second movie isn't going to be like the Hobbit in tone. However Johnson's films look very different than JJ's.

I agree that there will be some differences, and it is possible there will be a drop in quality, I just think that the people holding the purse strings aren't going to let it get out of hand.

After ANH, Kershner gave us things like "good dialog" and "acting", so who knows.
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I dunno, war boys screaming about Valhalla and pole acrobatics with dynamite is pretty stupid in my book. I mean it's fucking awesome, stupid though, stupidly awesome.

Indoctrination is a thing.
 
I see them as the same. Sure some are better than others but I know going in to turn off my mind and just enjoy myself

Turning off your brain is an dumb concept. You don't have to settle for mediocrity. It's all in the execution; whether a movie has a crazy premise or distinctive world is irrelevant. Quality has little to do with that.
 
So you haven't really thought about it at all then?

No? I mean I went into the movie expecting over-the-top action and I received over-the-top action. Is there something wrong with recognizing that? I generally don't go to heavy action movies expecting a deep narrative or complex plot.

On-Topic: I admit, I did tear up watching this trailer, the hype is real with me.
 
How is it "stupid"

Someone explain to me how a movie that well constructed is "stupid."

"Well constructed" and "stupid" are not really mutually exclusive, yar? The film revolves around an utterly outlandish and ridiculous culture. It also has very strong world-building and execution that we grow to accept all the craziness.
 
If you had JJ do all three, there is a good chance he'd be burnt out like other directors tend to get such as Nolan with the Batman trilogy and Raimi with Spiderman.

Yeah, but those guys both peaked with their second films. It really seems like the third film is cursed to be mediocre, but the second is often the strongest in a trilogy. Having a chance to build and improve can pay off.
 
I generally don't go to heavy action movies expecting a deep narrative or complex plot.

Then it sounds like you're not in the greatest position to judge if something was actually stupid or not if you're not even attempting to engage with it from jump. You didn't expect anything, so you didn't look for it. That's not the movie's fault.

"Well constructed" and "stupid" are not really mutually exclusive, yar?

No. But dude's obviously not actually thought through his criticism at all. Can you explain how the movie is stupid? What about it is "stupid?"

Keep in mind: Outlandish aspects aren't in and of themselves, stupid. And characters who act stupidly don't make a movie stupid either, depending on whether or not the behavior of those characters is in service to a larger, more carefully constructed point than "dumb guy says loud thing for basic entertainment reasons."

For example: Flaming guitar man is ridiculous. But there's also a reason for flaming guitar man to be there outside of simply "flaming guitar man." And that reason is not only made clear (without the need for exposition) but actually adds to the story, both atmospherically, and as a direct plot point in the climax.

I don't know if that's "stupid."

And that's the example with a FLAMING GUITAR GUY at the center of it.
 
No? I mean I went into the movie expecting over-the-top action and I received over-the-top action. Is there something wrong with recognizing that? I generally don't go to heavy action movies expecting a deep narrative or complex plot.

On-Topic: I admit, I did tear up watching this trailer, the hype is real with me.

An entire region believed in Valhalla at one point. You can really do a number on someone's mind just with isolation and conditioning. If you raise someone from infancy then shit gets way easier. It's just weird that you find that unbelievable when probably at least half of what you were raised to believe was bullshit. Some people's bullshit is more bold than others'.

The concepts are stupid (flaming guitar man for example), but its constructed very well so that its reallg fun

He's like a drummer boy for troops with short attention spans. That he looks strange and new is a bonus.
 
Jurassic World is that bad? I find it hard to believe it's much worse than Star Trek and definitely can't be worse than Looper.

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The possible visual/direction shifts in the movies does have me a bit concerned. I guess it'll come down to whether or not Disney wants to micro-manage ala Marvel films.
 
I hope they don't try to homogenize the visual styles. This one has JJ written all over it going by the trailers, and I'm hoping VIII has slower but just as fetching shots and camera work as you'd expect from the guy who did Brick, and who considers Under The Skin one of his all time favorite films.
 
Then it sounds like you're not in the greatest position to judge if something was actually stupid or not if you're not even attempting to engage with it from jump. You didn't expect anything, so you didn't look for it. That's not the movie's fault.



No. But dude's obviously not actually thought through his criticism at all. Can you explain how the movie is stupid? What about it is "stupid?"

Keep in mind: Outlandish aspects aren't in and of themselves, stupid. And characters who act stupidly don't make a movie stupid either, depending on whether or not the behavior of those characters is in service to a larger, more carefully constructed point than "dumb guy says loud thing for basic entertainment reasons."

Hey, there's a stick in your ass, mind getting it out?

Calm down dude, I posted originally to comment on the movie which someone defined as "not stupid" which in my opinion is pretty much is for, again, in my opinion, to expect/praise anything beyond over-the-top action for Fury Road is really pushing it.

But hey, watching a movie from beginning to end is not enough right? Gotta be a hardcore critique on the silliest of things.

It's fucking Mad Max: Fury Road dude, not Ex Machina.
 
He'll do just as awful as the Abrams haters predicted.

Abrams is in no way comparable to Trevorrow, come on.

I know you're the blockbuster defense force or whatever, but you're reeeeaaalllyy stretching to defend Trevorrow. His only real cred is JW which was truly not a good film.

Looper was an innovative, good film. That is why we're ok with Rian. This isn't just baseless hate.
 
Calm down dude,

I'm not upset. You said something you didn't think about on the internet and I asked you to explain it, that's all.

Asking me to give you some sort of credit for finishing a movie like you managed to clear a significant hurdle or something is a weird response, especially considering it'd probably be easier if you actually just explained why you thought the movie was stupid.

It's fucking Mad Max: Fury Road dude, not Ex Machina.

Ex Machina is probably less intelligent (and saying less as a movie) than Fury Road.

Someone probably told you the film was smart before you went in to watch it though. No explosions or anything.
 
No. But dude's obviously not actually thought through his criticism at all. Can you explain how the movie is stupid? What about it is "stupid?"

Keep in mind: Outlandish aspects aren't in and of themselves, stupid. And characters who act stupidly don't make a movie stupid either, depending on whether or not the behavior of those characters is in service to a larger, more carefully constructed point than "dumb guy says loud thing for basic entertainment reasons."

For example: Flaming guitar man is ridiculous. But there's also a reason for flaming guitar man to be there outside of simply "flaming guitar man." And that reason is not only made clear (without the need for exposition) but actually adds to the story, both atmospherically, and as a direct plot point in the climax.

I don't know if that's "stupid."

And that's the example with a FLAMING GUITAR GUY at the center of it.

Well put. Important point and part of the reasons why I find the idea of turning off your brain annoying. An outlandish premise doesn't mean it's stupid, nor does it excuse poor execution.
 
whoa whoa whoa, fury road is so much >>> ex machina (which i definitely enjoyed). smh breh

anyways speaking of both movies i'd love for tom hardy to be a villain in the final one. they already got my wishlist with oscar isaac and benicio. might as well go full on and bring in fassbender/elba/hardy for the gaf implosion.
 
No. But dude's obviously not actually thought through his criticism at all. Can you explain how the movie is stupid? What about it is "stupid?"

Keep in mind: Outlandish aspects aren't in and of themselves, stupid. And characters who act stupidly don't make a movie stupid either, depending on whether or not the behavior of those characters is in service to a larger, more carefully constructed point than "dumb guy says loud thing for basic entertainment reasons."

For example: Flaming guitar man is ridiculous. But there's also a reason for flaming guitar man to be there outside of simply "flaming guitar man." And that reason is not only made clear (without the need for exposition) but actually adds to the story, both atmospherically, and as a direct plot point in the climax.

I don't know if that's "stupid."

And that's the example with a FLAMING GUITAR GUY at the center of it.

I absolutely agree with you on the finer points. I think we are just putting the word "stupid" in different contexts. Regardless of the reasoning behind the flaming guitar man, he still look completely absurd. I use "absurd" and "stupid" interchangeably here, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I feel like everything you said is what people are generally getting at when they say "it's stupid but in a good way," and I think it's fine if people just want to enjoy that skin-deep stupidity without wanting to think deeper about it.

(However, I do feel like I must protest at the mention of Mad Max and Fast and Furious in the same sentence.)
 
Apparently there's a music-only version on the Disneyland facebook page.

Seems like they accidentally uploaded a version that only features surround channels as the audio.
 
I find trying to weigh up intelligence and overall quality of films has a lot less to do with the themes or premise they tackle so much as the elegance and methods they present their chosen themes. Fury Road is a masterpiece largely because it takes simple, progressive themes and presents them in very creative ways. There's a lot of confidence in the script and scenarios, meaning it can present these themes in a pulpy, action focused way and they still deliver their message with earnest.

I didn't hate Jurassic World, but it's a supremely dumb movie for the wrong reasons in my opinion, in that directional and writing choices were made that result in fixation on things that are silly, contrived, or simply uninteresting.

Which is pretty much where I sit with Star Wars: finding a balance between the two. While I'd like some deep, riveting, intellectually engaging space opera, I don't expect this from Star Wars. The original trilogy doesn't really offer much in the ways of that either. But the original trilogy works so well because it picks it themes, the hero's journey and struggle against the odds, and sticks to its guns. It tells a traditional story, but it tells it well under the backdrop of an interesting setting. It allows you to invest in the characters and their arcs even if that arc is a bit formulaic.

That's really just what I want from this new trilogy. Huge amazing surprises would be nice, but I don't need it to utterly reinvent the wheel, nor do I need it to obsess over homages and references to work. I want it to simply be a well constructed and coherent adventure movie with characters that are, if in their simplicity, interesting and believable enough to invest in.

This is where Into Darkness failed spectacularly. It was a film that relied almost exclusively on "HEY HAVE YOU SEEN WRATH OF KHAN" to work, treading water between scenes that seemed to exist purely to blow budget or "re-imagine" older work for the worst. It's totally forgettable, memorable in parts for the wrong reasons.
 
Well put. Important point and part of the reasons why I find the idea of turning off your brain annoying. An outlandish premise doesn't mean it's stupid, nor does it excuse poor execution.

Yup. If someone complains about a logical thing in Harry Potter you don't just go "lol it's wizards and witches who cares."

J.K. Rowling established the Harry Potter world, and once that setting or premise is established, it should follow its rules.

Rick and Morty is one of the "stupidest" shows out there, yet it is incredibly compelling because of the way it is executed.
 
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