Yeah, the "living room doesn't matter" myth doesn't make sense, Netflix disclosed that the PS3 was the most used device for Netflix, even higher than PC & iOS.
Microsoft FY16 Q1: Xbox HW rev down 17%, live rev up 17%, XBL MAU users up 28% to 39M
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Yeah, the "living room doesn't matter" myth doesn't make sense, Netflix disclosed that the PS3 was the most used device for Netflix, even higher than PC & iOS.
Dredd97
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The trouble is if they do post the xb1 shipping numbers somebody will point out they're not as good as the PS4
The talk will be doom and gloom and selling off the xbox division...but by not posting the numbers it's led to the same discussion...
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. ..
The talk will be doom and gloom and selling off the xbox division...but by not posting the numbers it's led to the same discussion...
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. ..
DriftingSpirit
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The trouble? Why should MS care what a few people on the internet think about the health of the Xbox brand?
It is pretty simple from my point of view. If the numbers were good, they would mention them. They didn't so...
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Next Xbox to be called Surface Home
That's the issue... Locking someone to their ecosystem on PC and mobile rather than having them go with the ecosystems of Valve et al on the PC side, and Apple and Google on the mobile side where online multiplayer is free and games are F2P.
Well to be clear, MS is still going to make a box that can be plugged into a TV to play games. Even Apple and Google do that. It'd probably be more like those set top devices or a Steam Machine. Also don't limit to it to AAA games... After all, MS is making massive bank from Minecraft according to this very report and that is about as non-AAA as a game could get.
Alebrije
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Yep , I work for a multinational group that owns some companies , the big ones are what the shareholders care, the small ones are kept just because some top guy or group like the business or even becuase the wife of our CEO likes it; by example we have an orchid greenhouse company that exports to the US but basically is a pet toy for our CEO's wife , the company hardly has earnings its only goal is not to have red numbers and they are fine.
MS videogame division is like our orchid business.
Almost no one?
Freeman
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They sell most of their consoles on NA and possibly won't even be the best selling console in the region, 40m is probably a good estimate if even that.
That's actually not the worst idea I've heard on this board
McHuj
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No way, they're not going to abandon the Xbox brand name.
The next Xbox could look like an Alienware alpha however.
I wouldn't be too mad if Xbox got merged with Surface, if it meant beefy Nvidia and Intel chips for the next console :O
#sorrynotsorry
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We're not just talking video games here. MS wants to own home computing. Sony isn't the competitor, not really. Apple and Samsung are. Sony is just getting in the way.
Xbox is a giant marketing product targeted at kids and young adults to get the name out there.
Xbox surface? Or surface xbox?
1. Microsoft is an extremely successful company no doubt but it's kind of funny that some posters think Microsoft consider xbox as a "rounding error" or "pet peeve". So pouring BILLIONS of dollars and losing money constitute these two ideas? Yea - OK. There's alot of effort that goes into gaming and that's being watched by Nadella if not by the investors.
2. I'm sure Sony will let their hardware numbers out next week to let everyone know how they're dominating WW. Comparisons will be awesome.
3. I think Microsoft are doing the right thing by buying up the Minecrafts, HAVOKs, etc. IMO - this fits Microsofts portfolio better and should be very lucrative for them. They should seek these types of acquisitions as their "revenue stream". Licensing pays.
Just some of my thoughts.
2. I'm sure Sony will let their hardware numbers out next week to let everyone know how they're dominating WW. Comparisons will be awesome.
3. I think Microsoft are doing the right thing by buying up the Minecrafts, HAVOKs, etc. IMO - this fits Microsofts portfolio better and should be very lucrative for them. They should seek these types of acquisitions as their "revenue stream". Licensing pays.
Just some of my thoughts.
Because that route doesn't mean spending millions or billions in R&D every 4-6 to years mostly.
CrimsonEclipse
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We don't know this though, or as someone mentioned move it into a service some way or another.
I don't think they will, but time will tell. This holiday will be crucial for them. Do they need to win it? No, but they need to perform well.
I already covered that, lower overhead doesn't mean it's ideal for MS as a company, they would be surrendering the living room, which was the main reason MS created the Xbox division in the first place.
Xbox is not going anywhere.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I wasn't completely serious but the next Xbox is still a couple years off and by then the surface brand could be the stronger of the two. Xbox would live on as Xbox Live or something.
I could at least see them unifying it in some way.
even if that meant surface prizes. Those don't come cheap, even if they are masterpieces of compact design.
Xbox Surface - comes with an Xbox console and a Surface that is dockable/portable/"NX type thingie majigie" to the console. Can play the "basic" indies/arcade games when undocked. When docked, the two GPUs make use of SLI. :O :O
It's definitely possible, but it may also fall slightly short of 20 million. We don't even have an estimation of the shipments for Q3 2015, so estimating the shipments for 2 quarters will be really hard. Right now, I'd say 19.5 million shipped by the end of the year, but I will change my predictions the closer we are to the end of the year.
They wouldn't though. What exactly does Microsoft lose by Sony selling an extra 40 to 50 Million boxes? Halo and Forza would sell just as well on PC. IF they can get numbers of Xbox live on C and Mobile up to where they have on the Xbox devices or above they still have that constant revenue stream. The only thing they'd be losing would be software royalties and I'm not sure that covers the investment if R&D plus opportunity costs...
Chill Penguin
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Of course it's being watched. They're not one of the most successful companies in the world by losing money. If the next xbox regresses again, I'll bet they'll cut their losses. That said, it's a fact that xbox is just a tiny blip for their overall business.
It's also pointless to compare Sony and Nintendo financial calls and reports to Microsoft. Gaming is a core business for both, and they are small potatoes compared to MS as a whole. Sony/Nintendo are in the 20-30 billion market cap range. Microsoft is at 400 billion.
Software royalties are BY FAR the vast majority of revenue from the console business, it's not something you can call "it's the only thing they'd lose".
Even ignoring the revenue here, MS never entered the market only for revenue, the Xbox division is still in the red, they entered it specifically to prevent Sony from dominating the living room, and there are far more monetization options right now than there were in the PS2 days.
Outrun
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Obliterator
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Halo on PC would be gigantic, here's the thing though, MS doesnt actually care about PC gaming so its not happening. Which is weird they keep talking constantly in all of their releases about how they are unifying their ecosystem.
Its like no you aren't. Stop saying it unless you have something to back that up.
How is it pointless on GAF? We're comparing HW sales not the overall company. We do this every month in the NPD threads. Whether it's Microsoft's core business or not - they're in the game so they'll be compared (as they're also direct competitors with Sony/Nintendo).
CrimsonEclipse
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Wait what!?
AgentP
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Maybe you are young and didn't live through it, but that exactly what sunk the original Xbox. It's a receipt for an overpriced disaster.
So how will GAF get its numbers now? NPD does only software, right?
Market Cap, not cash on hand.
Bolivar687
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NPD does both but it only releases a software top 10 to the public anymore. Numbers are only given by the companies anymore unless you have a leaker.
That decision is basically conceding this generations loss. As long as they still do well enough to take a next generation console seriously it is okay.
So NPD threads will be a little less fun now without XBO numbers, eh?
Banjo-Kazooie
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Because you read forums with armchair financial analysts
I thought companies had to report this stuff?
This right here. Save face.
We Will get them through math and % based off data. It happens every month.
They may still give numbers if they have a huge holiday again but they only really announced things when they won bi this gen anyways. Sony usually doesn't announce numbers during NPD either just we won and announce global numbers at milestones or in their financials
Chobel
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We will get US (NPD) hardware numbers, so no worries about that. However WW is out of the question now that MS stopped reporting XBO shipment numbers.
There's still going to be shipment numbers, it's probably just going to be at milestones - as opposed to quarterly.
...Scatter...
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When was the last time a PC game outsold it's console counterpart? I keep hearing this but the numbers haven't borne it out.
SamastahSukhino
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PC sounds a lot better. Only a matter of time. Once nintendo hops aboard we can finally kiss these garbage boxes goodbye.