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Star Wars: The Force Awakens Final Trailer

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SomeRandomWeirdGuy said:
I'm honestly not familiar enough with Clone Wars and Rebels to answer that question. Just started watching Clone Wars and intend to go through Rebels afterwards. I know pieces of what Clone Wars did (specifically bringing back Darth Maul and turning him into an actual character), but not much besides that. Last I checked Maul was still alive. Crossing my fingers that he doesn't get offed in some comic or book.
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I'm still dumbfounded that they brought Maul back. If that was in a movie, that's shark jumping territory. It's in a cartoon so whatever, but man...

I'm basically against anything that makes Star Wars look like an endless comic universe, where no one truly dies, and it's an endless churn of nonsense.
 
BocoDragon said:
I'm still dumbfounded that they brought Maul back. If that was in a movie, that's shark jumping territory. It's in a cartoon so whatever, but man...

I'm basically against anything that makes Star Wars look like an endless comic universe, where no one truly dies, and it's an endless churn of nonsense.
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Maul's defeat in the movie still has an impact on his stories (Maul is half-mad when he's first discovered, he's obsessed with revenge on Obi-Wan, and
his return isn't taken well by Palpatine
), so it's not like they just swept the movie's events under the rug.

I'm perfectly happy with bringing Maul back and actually doing something good with the character. The problem with bringing characters back from the dead is when you do it just to extend the status quo at the expense of storytelling progress, which isn't what happened with Maul.
 
I think the core driving philosophy behind the creation of The Force Awakens are Lucasfilm's attempts to make The Ultimate Star Wars movie. They're looking at the entirety of the series to see what they think worked, or what didn't work. How can they replicate that spirit in a new movie, in a new way. How can we build on core ideas and philosophies but still have this be accessible to new audiences? There's probably a big whiteboard where that threw every idea of Star Wars they could. Aliens, robots, lasers, spaceships, rebels vs imperials, lightsabers, Jedi, the Force as this mysterious spirituality, the Millennium Falcon, cute droids, a secondary gang of antagonists/bounty hunters, Luke/Han/Leia, Chewie, giant cosmic battles with Imperial superweapons, John Williams, Dark Secrets, Tragic deaths, Ben Burtt's sounds, Lawrence Kasdan, little alien mentors wise in the way of the Force, land speeders, scrappy underdogs on the run/barely toppling imposing evil. A fast-paced, pop fantasy adventure in sci-fi clothing. That's what the average person thinks is Star Wars(whether they watched the OT or not), and you can damn sure that's what guys like Simon Pegg(who passionately hates the PT/loves the OT) who were part of the story group had to say.

They're aware of things that are unpopular, like boring political discussions, replacing the relatable human protagonists with superpowered mopey Jedi, the fine line of comedy relief threaded by Threepio or Han, without going into full on juvenile/childish like Jar Jar Binks or Ewoks, overuse of CG/digital backdrops, the shiny sterile worlds.

Its a very conscious effort to give audiences the ultimate, modern, polished version of the thing they want. A revitalization of the brand to appeal to the widest possible demographic. This sets the table for the future installments to branch off and do their own thing.
 
Toxi said:
Maul's defeat in the movie still has an impact on his stories (Maul is half-mad when he's first discovered, he's obsessed with revenge on Obi-Wan, and
his return isn't taken well by Palpatine
), so it's not like they just swept the movie's events under the rug.

I'm perfectly happy with bringing Maul back and actually doing something good with the character. The problem with bringing characters back from the dead is when you do it just to extend the status quo at the expense of storytelling progress, which isn't what happened with Maul.
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I can understand your point in that it's not like a comic resurrection "reset to status quo button" where it's actually revealed that the death was a stunt, and they wanted to keep the status quo all along.

I just think that bringing him back undermines whatever it was that Maul's death was supposed to accomplish. I know its TPM, and it's not hollowed ground for most of us... but there was a point to Maul's death. It was to show that Darth Sidious' Sith apprentice was very capable and menacing, but yet even he was defeated before the duos' plot was complete. It motivates the sudden need for the search for a new apprentice worthy of fulfilling Sidious' plans. It sets up Palpy's search for Darth Vader, the point of the PT.

Does this all work with Maul coming back..? Sure. It works if Sidious just thinks he's dead. But I think it completely removes any pathos that was found in that scene. Sidious has an apprentice and BOOM, he's prematurely removed from the picture. That meant something once. Now I know he just fell down the hole and went off onto another dumb random off-film adventure, and something from the movies is diminished by that.

Perhaps I am coloured by the remembrance that early screenings of TPM had Maul falling down the hole intact, and the wide release of TPM had him cut into two pieces. Lucas, at one point, wanted to emphasize "don't mistake this... this person is DEAD". And then a change of heart years later... he's alive. I see the seams of the story creation process in this, and it's quite similar to the cheapness of a comic book "death" in the same way. You see right through it. You're taken out of it. No confidence in the story choices at all.
 
Personally I'm all in on the idea of Star Wars going on forever. Like I think that's something hardcoded in its DNA, as a modern Flash Gordon serial that goes from one adventure to the next. They'll never be peace in the galaxy. Its called "Star Wars" for a reason. It will always be "a period of civil war".
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Personally I'm all in on the idea of Star Wars going on forever. Like I think that's something hardcoded in its DNA, as a modern Flash Gordon serial that goes from one adventure to the next. They'll never be peace in the galaxy. Its called "Star Wars" for a reason. It will always be "a period of civil war".
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I'm okay with that. I mean, the real world is kind of like that. ;)

But I want the nature of the conflict to be coherent and with a sense of direction. So if it's a constant reset to the status quo of the Empire vs. Rebels, that might become fake after awhile.

Smart minds getting together and figuring out interesting ways that galactic conflict continues... cool.
 
I'm real curious what they are going to do with Luke in this trilogy. I want him to be important. To be established. To be haunted by the past sure but to have fought through that and done important things for the Galaxy and for the Jedi.

But something tells me they will turn him into the new Yoda in ways. Be a recluse and have to be sought after to be found. Hope not though.

I keep bouncing back and forth between those 2 and how I think they will handle him.
 
BocoDragon said:
I can understand your point in that it's not like a comic resurrection "reset to status quo button" where it's actually revealed that the death was a stunt, and they wanted to keep the status quo all along.

I just think that bringing him back undermines whatever it was that Maul's death was supposed to accomplish. I know its TPM, and it's not hollowed ground for most of us... but there was a point to Maul's death. It was to show that Darth Sidious' Sith apprentice was very capable and menacing, but yet even he was defeated before the duos' plot was complete. It motivates the sudden need for the search for a new apprentice worthy of fulfilling Sidious' plans. It sets up Palpy's search for Darth Vader, the point of the PT.

Does this all work with Maul coming back..? Sure. It works if Sidious just thinks he's dead. But I think it completely removes any pathos that was found in that scene. Sidious has an apprentice and BOOM, he's prematurely removed from the picture. That meant something once. Now I know he just fell down the hole and went off onto another dumb random off-film adventure, and something from the movies is diminished by that.

Perhaps I am coloured by the remembrance that early screenings of TPM had Maul falling down the hole intact, and the wide release of TPM had him cut into two pieces. Lucas, at one point, wanted to emphasize "don't mistake this... this person is DEAD". And then a change of heart years later... he's alive. I see the seams of the story creation process in this, and it's quite similar to the cheapness of a comic book "death" in the same way. You see right through it. You're taken out of it. No confidence in the story choices at all.
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The biggest issue I have with Maul still alive is that it doesn't make sense. Even if he just fall down the hole, if he survived, wouldn't he have returned to Palpatine, devoted to his cause and even more determined to kick Qui-Gon's ass? Plus, I recall deaths of force users could be sensed, Palpatine would know Maul is still alive, and he would guess that he would be blood thirsty for revenge, making him an even more powerful asset than some kid from a desert planet.
 
Toxi said:
I'm actually a bit worried about the movie not forging its own identity. Star Trek Into Darkness, JJ Abrams' last big budget science fiction movie, relied so much on aping elements from previous Star Trek media that the movie suffered for it. I was actually groaning when the movie ripped off the radiation death scene from The Wrath of Khan.

But until The Force Awakens comes out, it's impossible to know if it will sink or swim on its own merits.
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I think most of that was due to the writing/producing involvement of Lindelof and Kurtzman. Lucky for this film, they're nowhere near this film.

Back on topic, I like the direction that the production team has taken with the whole "What would logically happen in this universe, 30 years after the fall of the empire" angle. It shows they're putting actual thought into making this a living, breathing galaxy that has kept moving well after we last saw the characters. I just need to train myself to stay away from the deluge of spoilers (I've already read too much). :(

Hell, it would have been easier for them to follow the current trend of CGI overload with little to no practical effects, commercials that show too much, and viral websites leading down overhyped rabbit holes. Instead, they've only shown two teasers and one trailer, followed by merchandise... Which to me, is pretty old school and awesome.

I have faith that they'll play on our expectations and flip them upside down, as the OT did. And honestly, if they show an old rusty B-1 battle droid lying in a garbage heap, or clone armor in an antique shop, I'll be happy for the little nod.
 
Cheebo said:
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Raid guys look to be part of this gang. Tasu Leech is played by Yayan Ruhian from the Raid.
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Why is Tasu holding a flintlock?
 
Guys, I didn't read through all 100+ pages, so I don't know how often the connection has been made already but IMO (potential major and movie ruining spoilers)
it is quite possible that Luke is Kylo Ren. Luke's absence in the trailer when we saw Leia, Han and Chewie plus the "I will finish what you started" line at the Vader helmet kinda heavily implies it
.
 
neorej said:
The biggest issue I have with Maul still alive is that it doesn't make sense. Even if he just fall down the hole, if he survived, wouldn't he have returned to Palpatine, devoted to his cause and even more determined to kick Qui-Gon's ass? Plus, I recall deaths of force users could be sensed, Palpatine would know Maul is still alive, and he would guess that he would be blood thirsty for revenge, making him an even more powerful asset than some kid from a desert planet.
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When Savage found him, Maul was a crippled and gibbering mess who was terrified of his own shadow. Not to mention he was literally half the man he used to be.
OrochiJR said:
Guys, I didn't read through all 100+ pages, so I don't know how often the connection has been made already but IMO (potential major and movie ruining spoilers)
it is quite possible that Luke is Kylo Ren. Luke's absence in the trailer when we saw Leia, Han and Chewie plus the "I will finish what you started" line at the Vader helmet kinda heavily implies it
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The connection has been made many times.

Luke most definitely isn't Kylo Ren.
 
OrochiJR said:
Guys, I didn't read through all 100+ pages, so I don't know how often the connection has been made already but IMO (potential major and movie ruining spoilers)
it is quite possible that Luke is Kylo Ren. Luke's absence in the trailer when we saw Leia, Han and Chewie plus the "I will finish what you started" line at the Vader helmet kinda heavily implies it
.
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No, it doesnt make sense, we have seen Kylo unmasked.
 
As hyped as I am, this trailer makes it look like episode 4 with a female lead lol

Nameless salvager/farmer on desert planet gets dragged into galactic conflict after hometown destroyed by evil Empire. Rediscovers connection to Force from older master, joins rebellion, fights bad guys.
 
Skux said:
As hyped as I am, this trailer makes it look like episode 4 with a female lead lol

Nameless salvager/farmer on desert planet gets dragged into galactic conflict after hometown destroyed by evil Empire. Rediscovers connection to Force from older master, joins rebellion, fights bad guys.
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To repeat GAF, it even has humans in it. Or something. Prepare to be ridiculed with little meaningful counter argument in return.
 
OrochiJR said:
Guys, I didn't read through all 100+ pages, so I don't know how often the connection has been made already but IMO (potential major and movie ruining spoilers)
it is quite possible that Luke is Kylo Ren. Luke's absence in the trailer when we saw Leia, Han and Chewie plus the "I will finish what you started" line at the Vader helmet kinda heavily implies it
.
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Nope.
 
Skux said:
As hyped as I am, this trailer makes it look like episode 4 with a female lead lol

Nameless salvager/farmer on desert planet gets dragged into galactic conflict after hometown destroyed by evil Empire. Rediscovers connection to Force from older master, joins rebellion, fights bad guys.
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I feel the same way but if it actually turns out that way I really won't mind ^^
 
Finn Rey and Poe get to the throne room of the Death Star 3 and they see Kylo Ren and they're like "We will defeat you you sith" and then Kylo says "you cannot defeat the sith" and then he unmasks and then it's Luke Skywalker and he says "Rey I am your father" and Rey cries but Finn attacks and almost wins but then whoosh another red lightsaber comes out of nowhere and its Darth Plageius and Darth Plageius almost kills Finn and whoosh there's another lighstsaber and its Darth Revan and HK47 is there and says "Greeting meatbags" and then the movie ends
 
Moff said:
the gangmember left to him is holding a pirate rifle as well, I guess this gang won't use laser weapons in the movie
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Makes sense. Tusken Raiders didnt used Laserweapons on Tatooine, and Jakuu is at least a similar enviroment and this gang appears to be similar.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Name got a space in it now. People can just call me Bobby! (Or "that asshole" depending on whatever it is I just did.)

To answer the earlier questions (I was getting my Karin on in the SFV beta) Lucas was hands-off on the Empire production. He was staying at home and handling LFL business, such as it was, and Gary Kurtz was riding herd over the Empire production, with Kershner directing. Kurtz and Kershner had a TON of freedom. Lucas did write like 3 drafts of the script himself, with Kasdan pitching in another couple during and after, but once production actually started, he was hands off.

And then Kurtz couldn't get Kershner to deliver shots on time, and there were problems with the shoot overseas multiple times, and then the production got off-schedule by quite a bit, and the costs started mounting, and basically, it got so shitty at one point that Lucas, who was feeling really good about the financial independence afforded him by Star Wars' success, had to go back to 20th Century Fox and ask for more money, at which point they hammered him for it.

Which is why Kurtz didn't produce Jedi, Kazanjian did.

But it's hard to argue he hired Marquand to be a "hired gun" when the guy he was trying to get before that was fucking David Lynch - who is nobody's hired gun. Kazanjian was there to make sure production overruns didn't happen like they did on Empire (he was actually breathing down Kurtz's neck at the tail end of Empire, I believe? It's in the making of book, at any rate) but Marquand was given freedom to shoot what he wanted. It's just that once the footage was turned in, Lucas basically completely took over in post.
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Didn't Lucas want Spielberg to direct ROTJ?
 
Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are trying to hit Maul's saber, but I don't know if Maul is trying to hit anything at all. I always thought his saber looked stupid in action even though the moment he lights up the second blade is badass for like 2 seconds.
 
Is there a YouTube video of a retrospective of the Strar Wars movie stories. I have watched the old movies and plan to watch them again before the movie comes out howeverid like a quick refresher.
 
Just like to comment on how much I love this shot.

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How he looks really scared and totally incapable of taking Ren on, and Ren looks really intimidating and in control. It just seems much more genuine than the light saber scenes in the prequels where every fight is super choreographed and planned out, even if we're told the characters participating are amateurs and still going through training
 
PdotMichael said:
Why are they only trying to hit the sabers?
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This is present in every lightsaber battle in Star Wars. It's there because the purpose of movie swordfighting is to give the illusion of danger without actually having the actors hit each other. Or as that one hilarious video puts it, "the menace is phantom."

There are many good reasons to dislike that fight, like the lack of investment in the characters. Old fashioned stage swashbuckling should not be one of them in my eyes.
 
MrBadger said:
How he looks really scared and totally incapable of taking Ren on, and Ren looks really intimidating and in control. It just seems much more genuine than the light saber scenes in the prequels where every fight is super choreographed and planned out, even if we're told the characters participating are amateurs and still going through training
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Probably a coincidence but it kinda looks like a reverse (and better shot) version of this:

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DiipuSurotu said:
Probably a coincidence but it kinda looks like a reverse (and better shot) version of this:

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Wouldn't be surprised if the resemblance is intentional. The entire concept of Finn fighting Kylo Ren unprepared is a lot like Luke fighting Darth Vader when he wasn't ready, and the darkness and blue palette resemble the beginning of the Empire Strikes Back duel.
 
DiipuSurotu said:
Probably a coincidence but it kinda looks like a reverse (and better shot) version of this:

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When watching GIFs of the OT, the lack of colored light/glow from lightsabers looks really, really odd.
This is after seeing TFA gifs and the trailer.
Don't think it bothers me while watching the film properly though.

Now i know people hate tampering with the OT but could it be theoretically possible to add similar light/glow to them with CGI? Or would it stick out for some reason (other than "we know it wasn't there originally")?
 
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