WordsintheWater
Member
Why bother with aesthetics at all then? They should just have lines and shapes, forget even putting textures.
I felt it a bit in the beta, I don't know if I'm gonna have the same issue with the full game.
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Why bother with aesthetics at all then? They should just have lines and shapes, forget even putting textures.
I felt it a bit in the beta, I don't know if I'm gonna have the same issue with the full game.
Leyasu
Banned
The aussie servers should be populated enough once this launches no? I was wrong, there is no lag compensator in halo, so you wont really ruin it for others. But you will get reamed in halo if you are playing out of region.
I would wait until next week. As for me being a European... I love this decision. Great choice 343
Yeah, Oz will be very populated on launch.
Xan Kriegor
Banned
I don't understand. Isn't the whole point of dedicated servers that the person with the bad connection will have a bad experience during a match, and not other people in the same match?
No. Dedicated servers = low ping. Ping = lag. Small lag.
By locking the Azure dedicated servers to max 100ms lag, it means all players are always within 5 frames of the server.
Leyasu
Banned
Do it..
Leyasu
Banned
Is it confirmed the 100ms ceiling? Because that for me is great news
Sure. But if every other game I've ever played with region matchmaking or servers is anything to go by, then it will fall off incredibly quickly. Even MCC is still a pain in the arse to find any matches when I'm not with people from other countries.
NippleViking
Banned
Personally I can't really place my current problem with the new forge's look as I'm not well-versed in graphic/rendering terminology, though have a look at this video of the forge launch map Orion. Obviously this isn't a totally fair representation as launch forge maps have always been kinda shitty, the map is clearly old as it was in the beta, plus Forge isn't even complete yet so a lot may improve upon release, but the current aesthetic is really unappealing. I think my dislike of it stems from the material/texture it's using, which looks really sterile and seems to be lit strangely. The autumn lighting of that Alpine variant definitely isn't helping either. It just seems really devoid of personality right now. You're right that colours will go a long way, but I think new forge is seriously crying out for some different textures. Even ultra simple Team Fortress-style would improve the look and charm immensely.
Leyasu
Banned
The MCC matches me with everyone everywhere all the time and shouldn't really be the benchmark.
I have a feeling that next week once it is live and populated, and when you are playing low latency game after game. You will be to quote Marcellus Wallace "one smiling motherfucker" ...
I like H5 a lot. Multiplayer is fun.
But being told "screw you, you can't play with your friends" is incredibly shitty. Who cares if what I see on my screen is slightly delayed? I understand these kinds of restrictions on ranked playlists - even if I still think it's kinda silly because these are dedicated servers. If I want to disadvantage myself, why not? - but Warzone and customs? Eh.
Of course I'm gonna still try to play with people but if I am locked out of everything then I will move on from this game very quickly.
I agree that these look really nice, and I think that 40 well designed maps like that would be fantastic, however I don't think there's a developer out there that is capable of designing 40 maps to a high standard. It's better to focus on 10 high quality designs, then spend the rest of dev resources making them look pretty so people don't complain as much.If I had a say in it, I would prefer we get ~40 well-designed multiplayer maps that just had super clear development shell-like visuals. But I am in the super minority there. I don't give a single fuck how good my multiplayer maps look, just make them play like a fucking dream. Maps would look like the current WIP shells in Unreal Tournament. I actually think they have a visual charm to them that is extremely pleasing
Here's some quick shots I captured to explain what I mean:
It's probably the great lightmapping with realistic light bounces/ambient occlusion mixed with big flat surfaces. I think they look great. Also, no visual clutter. Which is something I think Halo 5 struggles with from the footage I've watched so far. But again, I'm in the super minority. It's why I'm looking forward to forge maps; much more visually simple.
Diablohead
Member
That theory is good but it will never be sub 100ms 100% of the time, i've already seen streamers get a headshot with the pistol and it's clearly been more then 5 frames before they died.
One finnish player was in a same match with a lot of NA players on Warzone. That is easily 150ms ping. When the population drops low enough, people will get matched outside of their region at least in Warzone.
...the streams are usually at 30fps, I'm not sure how you're measuring that overall. Basically as long as everybody has a decent connection to a central server, and the netcode is good, you will get good performance. That's one of the issues Halo 5 tries to address. It's a step up.
Twilight Gap
Member
If I had a say in it, I would prefer we get ~40 well-designed multiplayer maps that just had super clear development shell-like visuals. But I am in the super minority there. I don't give a single fuck how good my multiplayer maps look, just make them play like a fucking dream. Maps would look like the current WIP shells in Unreal Tournament. I actually think they have a visual charm to them that is extremely pleasing
Here's some quick shots I captured to explain what I mean:
It's probably the great lightmapping with realistic light bounces/ambient occlusion mixed with big flat surfaces. I think they look great. Also, no visual clutter. Which is something I think Halo 5 struggles with from the footage I've watched so far. But again, I'm in the super minority. It's why I'm looking forward to forge maps; much more visually simple.
I prefer this look to most of the maps we've had for a while. It's simple, it's clean, and it is indeed charming. The environment is distinguishable from its players and its geometry does not distract from its pathing. I don't imagine the developers returning to this because they want to "art up" their maps, but it should be replicable in Forge this time around.
layout and visual design are independent from one another up to a certain point. when the base geometry comes together, both of them are influencing the other and ultimately response for how a map plays.
dragonelite
Member
The beta matched me a lot of times in US games, while still playable you also get that nagging feeling of stupid lag instead of well played opponent.
It's rarely as simple as what the lagger sees on his screen is a little delayed. High ping players ruin the game for everyone else. If this weren't the case you wouldn't have people using lag switches and things like that to worsen their connection. Enforcing a minimum connection quality that may limit some parties from Arena is a small price to pay if it means no 1 bar opponents, getting shot around corners, BS lag compensation, BS kill trades, etc.
SmartWaffles
Member
There are a dozen new free maps coming so we might see some really different maps.
I hope so. I know Warzone has more interesting locations, but Warzone isn't something I will play much.
I am a strong believer that form and function can be symbiotic. Unfortunately, that makes me care a lot about the environment they want me to spend thousands of hours in. Just the pipes and boxes becomes a huge eye sore.
Nature interlaced with technology is what Halo always meant to me (for MP).
Dynasty8
Member
As a huge Xenogears fan (love the avatar), I can tell you based off the beta and the three hours of campaign I played, but this game. Once you get used to the controls and the Spartan abilities, you'll be on cloud nine.
Thanks, Xenogears is my favorite RPG of all time (also dat music!). The controls were so clunky in the beta that I am buying an elite for Halo lol.
At my core, I was just hoping for a snowy Arena map. Wanted one good snow map for slayer.
I bet we will get one as dlc. I feel like DLC maps in every multiplayer game have unique aesthetics and just look more fun overall. I hope this is the case with H5.
Dynasty8
Member
Yup, Xenogears is amazing. I remember being 12 or 13 years old and constantly playing the demo over and over until the game released. Full of nostalgia...love the game, characters, story, music, and definitely one of my favorite games ever made.
In regards to the controls...it now feel amazing to me. Never would I have thought that holding the L trigger to zoom in would be for me for a Halo game, but it actually works really well. Just have to get used to it...not to mention that you can also change it if you wish.
The music in Halo 5 is absolutely incredible.
And I agree. I love having unique landscapes for multiplayer maps. This is primarily the main thing I loved back in Halo 2 and 3. They had snow, desert, forerunner, jungle/forest, covenant, city, and more maps to change the atmosphere and diversity of multiplayer. I know you said Warzone is probably not going to be something you'll be playing but man...it looks awesome. It's the only game type (and forge) that I haven't played yet. Everyone I talked to who has played it (E3, early press access) has said they've LOVED it...and they are competitive freaks themselves. One of the Warzone maps availble is a snowy map... I wouldn't be surprised if we get one for arena too. The more I play some of the maps, the more I start to appreciate them.
Twilight Gap
Member
Yea, for some reason we can't have a map that plays well and is built well. Gameplay and Visuals are not so divorced that we have to choose one or the other. They can function independent of one another (good map that looks bad and vice versa), but they are intertwined in many other ways.
He was complaining about them yesterday morning too, closed the stream. He's the only one I've seen do serious complaining, who else is saying stuff? I watched Walshy for hours last night, and I know he's not technically a pro anymore I guess, but I never heard him say anything negative.
Twilight Gap
Member
He's very analytical too so I wonder what his main issue with it is.
Has 343 announced a day for the first competitive tournament? Pros have been playing it every day for 3 years and most of them seem on board with it,, but I don't think we'll know the true state of it until it's played in the wild for that long at that level.
Oh so that's why I'm in south america and playing lobby simulator 2015 *sigh*
Xcell Miguel
Member
We got some Arena footage, no Warzone yet, could'nt find any game last night : http://www.gamersyde.com/news_halo_5_guardians_multiplayer_videos-17245_en.html
Twilight Gap
Member
Halo. Destroying long distance friendships and couch play since 2015
He's also currently getting his ass kicked. Maybe it's just frustration.
Also, seems like he's lone-wolfing a lot. Lots of 1v2 and 1v3 encounters.. Not sticking to his teamies.
Twilight Gap
Member
lol the skill gap is real. All the Halo 3 kids are gonna get destroyed in this game.
Jedi Otter
Member
Just watched RyaNoob stream a bit. He just seems to have his mind set on not enjoying the game and complains that people aren't playing the way he wants them to be. Literally ended his stream on "I can't take this anymore"
Pretty much every other streamer I've watched is having a good time.
Its an expectations thing...people who aren't pro's or super interested in the high levels of competitive expect maps to look like the rest of the game. I think the team has struck the right balance on straightforwardness...at least they aren't as busy as a lot of the modern call of duty games
TaintedHotSauce
Member
Dedicated servers do not mean low ping.
There's typically three types of multiplayer networking models:
1.) Dedicated servers - game simulation runs on a server that is separate from all of the clients and acts as an authority and relay of all game information to each player.
2.) Listen servers - same as the above, but runs on one of the clients. Most Halo games, the Call of Duty series(typically), Gears of War, etc use this model.
3.) Peer to peer - Each client sends game actions to each other peer directly, or through a relay-peer if the peer can not be directly reached. Very very few games actually use this model due to difficulty keeping the game synchronized between all the different player. Awesomenauts -- a MOBA -- uses this model.
Many gaffers seem to think there's two models: Dedicated and peer to peer when in-fact peer to peer is almost never used.
Dedicated servers typically provide the best game experience because the server will have plenty of bandwidth and computational resources to provide a good game experience. Listen servers can be just as good under ideal circumstances, except for having to deal with host migrations when the listen server host leaves.
Not to diminish his complaints, because they may be valid to some degree, but even before Halo 5 released for pros, Ryanoob was complaining all week about other shit. He bailed on Money 8s for MCC because he was salty about something one night. I think that's just his nature.
Samurai G0SU
Member
May I ask why Ryannoob's opinion on this game is important?
Not being mean or sarcastic, just curious.
Region locking is bullshit.
Because he is a pro yo...so his opinion is worth more or something
Whatever...he seems salty all the time when I have watched him
Destiny must be doing some weird peer to peer system because there are never host migrations...just lag, lag ,lag
Twilight Gap
Member
The opinion of someone who is good at something and experience to back it up has weight
Pros are not infallible - at all - but theyre more likely to be exposed to and aware of the game's holes than most.
Thats why 343 has a Pro team
He's probably just having a hard time.
Samurai G0SU
Member
OH I didn't know he was a pro just some guy people liked watching play.
DeadlyParasite
Member
the carbine looks really bad.
Looks or performs? Because from what I've watched people stream it looks and sounds pretty good.