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[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I wouldn't go so far as to say "let it go" fullstop but I can't help but laugh at black people who get so flustered by this shit. It's a bad costume, there is no ill will or intent here. Get the fuck over it.

If this was something like the various "white people dressing up as stereotypical/racist depictions of black people" sure I'd be shaking my head and criticizing them for that bullshit. But at this point it seems like most of the outrage over shit like this is manufactured.

Stop caring so much about what white people are doing that doesn't even impact your life.

The bolded is interesting, because how doesn't it impact black lives that white people are so comfortable (and ultimately ultra defensive) that they do this with their white friends? What conversations do you think this school teacher and his friends have? What influence do you think they have on the world around them?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Dude's a school teacher

But keep dreaming

And him dressing up as Kanye West tells us what exactly about his views on black people? That's a weak argument.

Like I said, if this was a stereotype costume your argument would be valid.

 

[Vyer]

I will never understand why it's so hard for people to NOT do something that belittles, dehumanizes and insults an entire race of fellow human beings.

Or defend doing it 'because it's Halloween!'

 

[acrid]

I absolutely believe so.

Did he fall asleep on a roll of chicken wire? I could play dnd on the diamond patterns on his face

 

[Milly Osworth]

Can we not ban Charlie?

I'm seriously intrigued on how deep the rabbit hole is going to go.

"Get over it" is a classic, but "Here's what black people should be pissed about!" is one that's Hall of Fame status. I want to see if he can top himself.

Asking for a ban is like telling mommy. If he breaks GAF rules he will get banned, until then counter his arguments or ignore him.

 

[mreddie]

Why does this keep happening?

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Fuck those asshole racists, including the ones in here defending them.

 

[suzu]

Serious question: at some point, will black people let it go? Maybe 300 years from now?

Asian people were brought here and exploited as slaves to build America's railways and as slave labor in gold mines.

There has been a history of yellow-face (e.g. The King and I) as well not to mention the continued white-washing of Asian roles in movies (e.g. Avatar, GITS, etc.) Asians generally continue to be portrayed as feminine, nerdy; they are rarely featured outside of martial arts films.

I'm not salty about it at all. My sister isn't. My mom isn't. I dunno, at some level, you gotta just it go.

Americans mocked Japanese people during WWII, rounded Japanese Americans up and put them in a camp, dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese don't seem that salty about it.

Even if you look at China and Japan and the atrocities carried out during WWII including the Rape of Nanjing. Despite all of that, China is Japan's largest trading partner. At some point, you just gotta let it go, IMO.

Salty?? Let it go? lol

If some idiot wanted to go yellowface for Halloween, I would not be ok with it. Don't try to speak for all of us bruh.

 

[Velcro Fly]

And him dressing up as Kanye West tells us what exactly about his views on black people? That's a weak argument.

Like I said, if this was a stereotype costume your argument would be valid.

He's either not aware enough or just doesn't care about how this sort of thing is unacceptable 100% of the time. So I wouldn't want him teaching my kids regardless.

 

[boiled goose]

Not the worst blackface. Seems he tried to at least get the skin town somewhat right and didn't add any obvious racial stereotypes.


But... it's still probably a bad idea.
Did he match the nose? The eyebrows? The shoulder widtdh?

Again, racial makeup like this is always problematic because you reduce a person to a skintown.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

And him dressing up as Kanye West tells us what exactly about his views on black people? That's a weak argument.

Like I said, if this was a stereotype costume your argument would be valid.

It is a stereotype costume. Maybe Kanye rocks backwards hats more regularly than I know, but I'm assuming this white dude just pulled from his "what do black people look like" bank.

 

[Camjo-Z]

that's a good non answer


Either way you're blatantly ignorant to the impact of blackface and how it continues to affect blacks today. In 2015 there's no excuse to be ignorant to this

How is that a non answer? You asked if I was black, I answered biracial. African-American and Caucasian, is that specific enough for you? Considering the question was only being asked to gauge whether I was black enough for my thoughts to be valid, I figured an equally shitty response was warranted.

And again, I said intent is what matters to me. I didn't say everyone should totally forget that blackface was a thing and be okay with it, I said that personally I would not be offended if the intent was solely to accurately portray Kanye and not to make fun of black people in general.

 

[Loudninja]

Jesus christ, overreaction much. It's just fucking halloween. Holy shit.
Like I understand if it was any other day and he was walking around like that all the time, but holy fucking shit guys, its fucking halloween, calm the fuck down.

Nope I wont.

This stuff happens every single year.

 

[Wreav]

It's pretty much a parody of black face though

I don't see how Dave is mocking blackface. He's using whiteface as an additional means of making his character white while using white stereotypes. Why does he get a pass? There's no meta argument here that Dave is addressing blackface by unashamedly using it against whites. Nothing about this video is a statement on face painting, only white people's preconceived notions of poor black people.

http://youtu.be/Fg6J1Skptbs

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I will say that looking at Gentleman Jack's Brief History of Blackface Threads on GAF, people saying that these conversations don't ultimately help in even the smallest of ways is incorrect. Sure, this thread has its fair share of mundane, repetitive idiocy in it, and some real fuckin doozies as well, but you can see, as you go through Jack's list in order, the shape of the discussion slowly change. Realization at some point in there started dawning on people.

So this shit isn't entirely for nothing.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I will never understand why it's so hard for people to NOT do something that belittles, dehumanizes and insults an entire race of fellow human beings.

Or defend doing it 'because it's Halloween!'

Many people don't like being told that the stupid shit they're doing is completely stupid.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Why does this keep happening?

Because there's no shortage of support for the people caught with their hand in the blackface jar. No end to the 'no you're a good person these other folks are just overreacting, we all know you're not racist, there there, it'll be all right.'

The consequences for blackface are seldom life-altering. The incredible shield of denial that the racist act, borne out of malice or ignorance, has an effect on others is durable beyond all reason. That's why it keeps happening.

 

[sephi22]

I do understand the historical beginnings of blackface, and why it is considered offensive, but could someone inform me of what the person dressing up as Kanye in the OP have to do with blackface caricatures of the past or the institutional racism experienced by many black members today? His costume doesn't have some of the signature blackface elements like I see when I google images. It does seem like a sincere (although really bad) attempt at a Kanye costume

I don't mean to be dismissive. I'm neither Caucasian or Black and I've only lived in USA for a couple of years so I'm still unfamiliar with a lot of this stuff. Apologies if this has already been explained. Just point me to that post

 

[PInk Tape]

I feel like the defense force here never interacts with black people for real, online or off. I mean, we even already have the one assuming everyone here is white. Would you seriously wear shit like this in front of a mixed crowd? I figure the reason the guy did was because he knew he was hanging exclusively with racist white people in the south.

Or having any sort of empathy towards black people's reactions and feelings towards the fuckery like this that comes up every Halloween. Like shit, the stuff we're talking about isn't AP Physics hard. It boils down to not caking your face in brown make up because it's racist and offensive as shit.

Yet here we are with people saying to get over it and that it's just Halloween.

 

[Slayven]

I will say that looking at Gentleman Jack's Brief History of Blackface Threads on GAF, people saying that these conversations don't ultimately help in even the smallest of ways is incorrect. Sure, this thread has its fair share of mundane, repetitive idiocy in it, and some real fuckin doozies as well, but you can see, as you go through Jack's list in order, the shape of the discussion slowly change. Realization at some point in there started dawning on people.

So this shit isn't entirely for nothing.

You have to erode racism bit by bit.

 

[Aeriscloud]

Couldn't he have just worn the glasses and everyone would have understood what the costume was?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I do understand the historical beginnings of blackface, and why it is considered offensive, but could someone inform me of what the person dressing up as Kanye in the OP have to do with blackface caricatures of the past or the institutional racism experienced by many black members today? His costume doesn't have some of the signature blackface elements like I see when I google images. It does seem like a sincere (although really bad) attempt at a Kanye costume

I don't mean to be dismissive. I'm neither Caucasian or Black and I've only lived in USA for a couple of years so I'm still unfamiliar with a lot of this stuff. Apologies if this has already been explained. Just point me to that post

At best, it represents being ignorant of an extremely sensitive subject. It's the same reason you wouldn't call a black person a monkey or ape even if you really didn't mean anything racist by it, or you wouldn't make jokes about nooses or chains towards black people. I don't see what is so wrong with people being sensitive to different cultures. It's not the job of the offended party to get over it, not when the topic has as much baggage and history as this one does, it's the role of the rest of us to try our best to be decent human beings about it.

 

[soundscream]

Serious question: at some point, will black people let it go? Maybe 300 years from now?

Asian people were brought here and exploited as slaves to build America's railways and as slave labor in gold mines.

There has been a history of yellow-face (e.g. The King and I) as well not to mention the continued white-washing of Asian roles in movies (e.g. Avatar, GITS, etc.) Asians generally continue to be portrayed as feminine, nerdy; they are rarely featured outside of martial arts films.

I'm not salty about it at all. My sister isn't. My mom isn't. I dunno, at some level, you gotta just it go.

Americans mocked Japanese people during WWII, rounded Japanese Americans up and put them in a camp, dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese don't seem that salty about it.

Even if you look at China and Japan and the atrocities carried out during WWII including the Rape of Nanjing. Despite all of that, China is Japan's largest trading partner. At some point, you just gotta let it go, IMO.

Seriously?

This is such a disgusting post.

 

[mreddie]

Because there's no shortage of support for the people caught with their hand in the blackface jar. No end to the 'no you're a good person these other folks are just overreacting, we all know you're not racist, there there, it'll be all right.'

The consequences for blackface are seldom life-altering. The incredible shield of denial that the racist act, borne out of malice or ignorance, has an effect on others is durable beyond all reason. That's why it keeps happening.

We live in a age where EVERY MOMENT is uploaded and online, why take a picture of yourself doing YOU KNOW you're gonna get shit for or hell, there will be a lot pictures uploaded online with you in it?

Basically, this sums it up.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Couldn't he have just worn the glasses and everyone would have understood what the costume was?

That would've been the smart thing to do, yes. But we can only wish that most people do the smart things in life.

 

[Newline]

i simply can't with this bullshit reasoning lol

It's not reasoning, it's evidence of level-headed progressive individuals making use of a race of people that they may not actually identify with themselves. We know the intent of these individuals which is why it's so easy for us to not label it as racist. All I'm saying is that we don't have any idea what was going through this school teachers mind and he's also not created a costume was is any way mocking of a race, just slightly more accurate than most.

 

[harSon]

I wouldn't go so far as to say "let it go" fullstop but I can't help but laugh at black people who get so flustered by this shit. It's a bad costume, there is no ill will or intent here. Get the fuck over it.

If this was something like the various "white people dressing up as stereotypical/racist depictions of black people" sure I'd be shaking my head and criticizing them for that bullshit. But at this point it seems like most of the outrage over shit like this is manufactured.

Stop caring so much about what white people are doing that doesn't even impact your life.

why do you always have to dig deep and fan the flames with your fuckery

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

y'all engaging with PDon Lemon for real??

 

[CharlieDigital]

Exactly who the fuck are you to tell black people how to feel about anything?

You really don't see how the "frivolous" problem is both a product of and perpetuation of the feelings that create the "serious" problems?

Doubling down huh?

You've got moxie, I'll give you that.

Everything you listed drives black people nuts, and I'm not sure why you're asserting that the reaction to a dummy in blackface is overshadowing, for example, the breadth and reach of Black Lives Matter, unless you're taking the sample size of posters on GAF and extrapolating.

do you think that the people who are upset here just ignore threads about the bolded or something? honestly?

It's called multitasking son, have you heard of it?
Conversely, what do you have to gain from someone in blackface and telling black people to get over it?

No, I don't want to have a serious discussion with you. One, because based on your posts you don't seem very bright and probably not worth engaging with, and two, because I doubt you'll be around long enough to respond anyway, due to, you know, your stupid fucking posts.

I'd hardly say I'm telling black people to "get over it", but rather "hey look, there's really nothing to be offended by here"; if you look at the context of it all, it's just a Halloween costume and the dude chose it to match his S/O.

I'd hope that folks that know my post history understand that I'm cognizant of race issues in the US and the grave injustice that is suffered by minorities, especially black Americans. Obviously, it's not from a black perspective, but I guess that's part of what I'm seeking here. There are real modern day race issues that have an impact on quality of life for black Americans and this dude shouldn't even register as a blip.

Can you qualify what about this just screams "RACIST" aside from the "the history of blackface"?

I'm still curious as to whether white supporters who buy Obama or Carson masks are considered racist or not since they are supporting their candidate.

 

[Ahasverus]

We have the exact thread the same exact date and discuss the same things. letitgo.gif.

 

[Silver Arrows]

he's also not created a costume was is any way mocking of a race, just slightly more accurate than most.

Are you fucking serious. It's mocking a race. no and's ifs or buts.

 

[AlimNassor]

Fucking shit, this'll never end. Why are blacks considered animals to whites? Is it just the fact they're skin is darker? I don't understand why they're considered animals to us...shitstains like him make me ashamed to be human.

 

[Bronx-Man]

y'all engaging with PDon Lemon for real??

Someone has to.

 

[PhoenixDark]

It is a stereotype costume. Maybe Kanye rocks backwards hats more regularly than I know, but I'm assuming this white dude just pulled from his "what do black people look like" bank.

Are you serious? Perhaps you can google that and see the pics of him rocking a backward hat that I just found. While also rocking a sports jacket...you know, like the guy's Halloween costume.

It's a white dude dressed up as Kanye West. Where exactly is the black stereotype in his attire?

 

[oneils]

Some people really want to be able to say the n word, and some people really want to be able to paint their skin black.

Black people get to have all the fun. They get to use the n word and are black! Shucks, sucks to be white.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

y'all engaging with PDon Lemon for real??

Ouch.

Ouch.

 

[Newline]

Fucking shit, this'll never end. Why are blacks considered animals to whites? Is it just the fact they're skin is darker? I don't understand why they're considered animals to us...shitstains like him make me ashamed to be human.

What in that picture makes you think he considers blacks to be like animals?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

It's not reasoning, it's evidence of level-headed progressive individuals making use of a race of people that they may not actually identify with themselves. We know the intent of these individuals which is why it's so easy for us to not label it as racist. All I'm saying is that we don't have any idea what was going through this school teachers mind and he's also not created a costume was is any way mocking of a race, just slightly more accurate than most.

Give me a break. Dude's "apology" disingenuously saying he's "never seen color" says everything about him.

 

[maquiladora]

Jesus christ, overreaction much. It's just fucking halloween. Holy shit.
Like I understand if it was any other day and he was walking around like that all the time, but holy fucking shit guys, its fucking halloween, calm the fuck down.

Racists don't get a free pass to be racists just because hey it's halloween you guys!

 

[Vicetrailia]

With blackface intent is irrelevant. It's about the harm that it causes both visible and invisible.

What I wanna know is what pleasure is there to derrive from blackface? A more accurate costume in the face of its gravitas?

 

[AlimNassor]

What in that picture makes you think he considers blacks to be like animals?

Dressing up as them as if they're some sort of joke.

 

[Enzom21]

I'd hardly say I'm telling black people to "get over it", but rather "hey look, there's really nothing to be offended by here"; if you look at the context of it all, it's just a Halloween costume and the dude chose it to match his S/O.

I'd hope that folks that know my post history understand that I'm cognizant of race issues in the US and the grave injustice that is suffered by minorities, especially black Americans. There are real modern day race issues that have an impact on quality of life for black Americans and this dude shouldn't even register as a blip.

I'm still curious as to whether white supporters who buy Obama or Carson masks are considered racist or not since they are supporting their candidate.

Once again, who are you to tell black people what we should or shouldn't be offended by? And fuck your post history, we're discussing your shit posts here.

 

[minor effort]

I'm still curious as to whether white supporters who buy Obama or Carson masks are considered racist or not since they are supporting their candidate.

I have never seen this.

Apparent supporters of Obama or Carson wearing masks of the candidates? Where? At campaign rallies?

 

[soundahfekz]

I wouldn't go so far as to say "let it go" fullstop but I can't help but laugh at black people who get so flustered by this shit. It's a bad costume, there is no ill will or intent here. Get the fuck over it.

If this was something like the various "white people dressing up as stereotypical/racist depictions of black people" sure I'd be shaking my head and criticizing them for that bullshit. But at this point it seems like most of the outrage over shit like this is manufactured.

Stop caring so much about what white people are doing that doesn't even impact your life.

Your bullshit ass nu black contriarian schtick jumped the shark years ago dude. It's time to find something else

How is that a non answer? You asked if I was black, I answered biracial. African-American and Caucasian, is that specific enough for you? Considering the question was only being asked to gauge whether I was black enough for my thoughts to be valid, I figured an equally shitty response was warranted.

And again, I said intent is what matters to me. I didn't say everyone should totally forget that blackface was a thing and be okay with it, I said that personally I would not be offended if the intent was solely to accurately portray Kanye and not to make fun of black people in general.

Then 'personally', you're a part of the problem that enables diet racists to casually stroll by and ask "what's the big deal?"

As a white person you don't need to paint your skin black/brown for an accurate portrayal" of a black individual. Halloween ain't that serious

 

[AlexMogil]

Lando Solo

Han Calrissian

Imagine if Han and Lando were brothers from another mother!

They do share clothes after all.

 

[Visceir]

There's this quite popular TV Show called Your Face Sounds Familiar airing in most european/south american/asian national tv channels, where local musicians dress up and perform songs from other famous musicians. I'm pretty sure all of them have featured white people dressing up as black people.

France
Filipinas
Brazil
Italy

Racist?~

 

[fallengorn]

Serious question: at some point, will black people let it go? Maybe 300 years from now?

Asian people were brought here and exploited as slaves to build America's railways and as slave labor in gold mines.

There has been a history of yellow-face (e.g. The King and I) as well not to mention the continued white-washing of Asian roles in movies (e.g. Avatar, GITS, etc.) Asians generally continue to be portrayed as feminine, nerdy; they are rarely featured outside of martial arts films.

I'm not salty about it at all. My sister isn't. My mom isn't. I dunno, at some level, you gotta just it go.

Americans mocked Japanese people during WWII, rounded Japanese Americans up and put them in a camp, dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese don't seem that salty about it.

Even if you look at China and Japan and the atrocities carried out during WWII including the Rape of Nanjing. Despite all of that, China is Japan's largest trading partner. At some point, you just gotta let it go, IMO.

I want to respond to this post, but… god damn, there's a lot to unpack.

I'll just say that you're perception of how other Asians might feel about the above is pretty off-base and leave it at that.

 

[FreeMufasa]

This wouldn't be a big deal in the uk.

Yes, it would be.

You pricks would block it out

 

[fuzzyreactor]

Are you serious? Perhaps you can google that and see the pics of him rocking a backward hat that I just found. While also rocking a sports jacket...you know, like the guy's Halloween costume.

It's a white dude dressed up as Kanye West. Where exactly is the black stereotype in his attire?

the guy is clearly rocking kayne west signature style: the long chain, hat, and those shades

As a black man, I not seeing this mocking of race either. However the costume is insensitive given the history of blackface.

 

[Alcotholic]

How else is he gonna be kanye? A mask i guess.