Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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People know when you're casting yourself in your black person costume as part of a minstrel show.
Man does black face for Kanye West costume because this shit will never end
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Milly Osworth
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Tell us.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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who are these people supposed to be? Can someone tell me?
The Bladdams Family, Blease, and...Blal Pacino
lmao i can't wait for the official Halloween Blackface |OT|
hey_monkey
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This. The end. There's not even a debate to be had. It's not the same as Dave Chappelle going white, it's not the same as dudes stuffing a bra (which can be an issue for reasons that have nothing to do with women but is dependent on context). There is a very specific context here and it's offensive.
I would also bet my whole paycheck he affected different speech patterns and made a whole damn performance out of it.
It's a mask, not painting your skin for a shitty approximation of black pigment. If you put on a mask and people still have to guess who you are it's a shitty mask.
Blackface is shitty period, bringing masks into the argument doesn't make it any less shitty. It's blowing my mind this is even an argument.
Gentleman Jack
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Say wut
who are these people supposed to be? Can someone tell me?
I don't know about the girl, but the dude is supposed to be Raul from Raul's Wild Kingdom.
we also would have accepted "Al Blacino"
CharlieDigital
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I'm not saying that black face can't be racist, but that it should be examined in context.
Clearly, a white supporter wearing an Obama or Carson mask is not being racist.
A white comedian wearing an Obama or Carson mask doing an impersonation that incorporates racial stereotypes? That would clearly be racist.
I just don't understand how there is ZERO room for flexibility on this because I can't see how a white supporter wearing an Obama mask is being racist.
No it's not. Is Cloud Atlas racist because white people were cast as Asians and given makeup to adjust their eyes?
The whole point of racism, or systemic oppression, is about the bigger picture and keeping people down without much effort. Gerrymandering and removing voting laws are one thing, but building a culture to do it for you is the other half. Stereotypes aren't born out of thin air, and the media will drive these home until they become truth; "Thug" is just the latest en vogue dog whistle. What this does, is in grain the public to think this is the status quo, that thinking blacks are just lazy welfare queens isn't just a a racist opinion, why else would they report on it so much? We had half the country A-OK with living with segregation and thinking there was no issue even citing bible verses, are they not racists?
Blackface was a form of segregation in that they wouldn't hire blacks for acting, so they would have a white person paint up and do it. What was worse is that the black character was always portrayed as the worst stereotypes and played as truth. Just think about the fact that we have lawmakers who grew up watching that shit, and are now ingrained with that view of blacks in their head.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Lol
I know it's supposed to be Han Solo (from the link) but Pacino was the first thing to come to mind
minor effort
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I understand what you're saying, but it's important to keep historical context and institutional racism in mind, because otherwise people counter with "b-b-but Dave Chappelle and Eddie Murphy did it why can't I???"
Ganzlinger
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I only see a guy trying to look closer as possible to Kanye West. If painting his color was something terrible in an entire different context many years ago maybe it shouldn't matter.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Maybe there would be if there was a history of black people having flexibility in America.
Yes, and many people talked about it.
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Bobby Roberts
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oddly enough, James Earl Jones is not that much darker than the dude cosplaying him, but I'm sure some people would see fit to paint themselves like a burnt sienna crayon in the name of "accuracy".
Ah it's Mugabe innit?
China gave him an award recently.For his humanitarianism or something.Mental.
TheSpoiler
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So we're ignoring historical context now? So then calling a black person a monkey or a nigger is no longer racist?
I would find issue with the child's guardians on the first topic and on the second instead of excusing ignorance why don't we educate people so it doesn't happen again.
Instead of as you seem to suggest throwing our hands up and going "well they didn't mean it" and moving on. We can acknowledge that the action is offensive without demonizing the offender.
Again, its a shitty costume.
This is my last post here as i dont want to be banned.
Im amazed how quickly you all jump on people its like you're all waiting for threads like this with your nets ready.
again no chance for discussion just go straight to the accusations
Im anything but a racist and i dont really feel the need to defend myself because i know who i am. All i want to say is to all of you "THIS IS PURE RACISM NOBODY CAN SAY DIFFERENT" people its not that simple there are even black people in this thread who dont think its racist. Stop posting opinions as fact and stop throwing the accusations around and listen. Everybody can benefit from listening to the opposite side for a while.
Trumpet909
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For the 500th time explained in this thread, black people are not a fan of blackface due to the mass amount of history behind it.
Oh for fucks sake. Does anyone read anymore? You're in a thread where people are telling exactly why it IS offensive.
What you THINK is offensive is not consequential.
Yes.
It's so silly that we're doing this again. Guys this is so easy: don't paint yourself black. That's it. That's all it takes.
Is it really Important to anyone in the world that their God Given Right to paint themselves black be maintained? Just let this shit go. It's so easy to not paint yourself black.
Is it really Important to anyone in the world that their God Given Right to paint themselves black be maintained? Just let this shit go. It's so easy to not paint yourself black.
metalslimer
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Ok lets put it this way, is there truly any benefit to blackface besides the fact that white people seemingly can't stop doing it and want to do it? No one who is in favor of this seems to be able to explain why it is so important to be able to this.
Okay, maybe the costume isn't 100% screen accurate, but you know who he is.
The goober from G4?
Gentleman Jack
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I feel like you're harping on a hypothetical point here that has no bearing on what this teacher did. I suspect a Kayne mask instead of what that teacher did would catch a bit less flack since it would show some effort beyond the shoe polish slather and would not intersect as much with minstrelsy.
A kid getting the blackface treatment, 'out of admiration for his hero Obama,' is still racist as all hell, again due to the aforementioned overlap with minstrelsy. I'm sorry that America isn't more flexible on that. It's too bad we can't make life easier for whites looking to look more like black people. It's a real shame.
I'm not trying to jump on you, but this conversation happens every year around this time, because people won't stop putting on blackface in the 21st century. So yeah the snark comes hard and fast, your best shot at surviving it is demonstrating some thought put into a position that defends it because the 'anti-blackface' crowd has centuries of history showing why blackface is an awful practice that deserves to be called out as shameful.
A strong argument can be made that for most of America's history, we only ever heard one side of this particular argument, and it's not the side that listened to black voices.
Bobby Roberts
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Everyone's a critic.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I mean, say what you want, but at the very least it was clear to everyone from the start you don't have a well-rounded opinion on the subject. Why not take being wrong or ignorant about something as an opportunity to learn instead of standing firm on what you know to be a shaky foundation in the first place?
Okay... Now we're through the looking glass.
So playing a role, in a movie, in which someone wears a costume and makeup to represent a race is somehow inherently racist?
... Wouldn't it be more strange if the person was playing an Asian character and had completely white features?
Ninja Scooter
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are we talking masks or blackface? Because there is a difference. The scenario you brought up was a kid wanting to wear blackface to dress like Obama. That would be a good moment to teach that kid about ignorance and basic decency.
Like, I still don't get why people want to come up with these scenarios or "flexibility" with which to feel okay about their positions, or reason away ignorance. Like, is it not okay to just say "It's never okay to paint your face black because it potentially makes a certain segment of the populous feel like shit"? Is this not enough of a reason to not do it? Same thing with the "N-word". You have people always trying to reason it away "Oh it doesn't mean the same thing anymore, oh my black friends let me say it, I don't say it with an -er" Like do you want to use the word that fucking badly? Does it mean that much to you?
Nope.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why not just hire Asian people if the goal is for a character to look or be Asian?
Tripolygon
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How about Black skin is not a fucking costume to be put on and taken off every halloween?
Out of curiosity, did you watch the film?
Because it makes sense in the context of the film.
Again, its a shitty costume.
This is my last post here as i dont want to be banned.
Im amazed how quickly you all jump on people its like you're all waiting for threads like this with your nets ready.
Im anything but a racist and i dont really feel the need to defend myself because i know who i am. All i want to say is to all of you "THIS IS PURE RACISM NOBODY CAN SAY DIFFERENT" people its not that simple there are even black people in this thread who dont think its racist. Stop posting opinions as fact and stop throwing the accusations around and listen. Everybody can benefit from listening to the opposite side for a while.
I absolutely %100 agree with you but i just dont think that the costume is related.
We all have a long way to go for getting equality and not just for black people but not everything has to be a problem.
This is my last post here as i dont want to be banned.
Im amazed how quickly you all jump on people its like you're all waiting for threads like this with your nets ready.
Im anything but a racist and i dont really feel the need to defend myself because i know who i am. All i want to say is to all of you "THIS IS PURE RACISM NOBODY CAN SAY DIFFERENT" people its not that simple there are even black people in this thread who dont think its racist. Stop posting opinions as fact and stop throwing the accusations around and listen. Everybody can benefit from listening to the opposite side for a while.
I absolutely %100 agree with you but i just dont think that the costume is related.
We all have a long way to go for getting equality and not just for black people but not everything has to be a problem.
CharlieDigital
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Serious question: at some point, will black people let it go? Maybe 300 years from now?
Asian people were brought here and exploited as slaves to build America's railways and as slave labor in gold mines.
There has been a history of yellow-face (e.g. The King and I) as well not to mention the continued white-washing of Asian roles in movies (e.g. Avatar, GITS, etc.) Asians generally continue to be portrayed as feminine, nerdy; they are rarely featured outside of martial arts films.
I'm not salty about it at all. My sister isn't. My mom isn't. I dunno, at some level, you gotta just it go.
Americans mocked Japanese people during WWII, rounded Japanese Americans up and put them in a camp, dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese don't seem that salty about it.
Even if you look at China and Japan and the atrocities carried out during WWII including the Rape of Nanjing. Despite all of that, China is Japan's largest trading partner. At some point, you just gotta let it go, IMO.
Google is your friend. Just because you can't get it doesn't mean there is no negative history behind the very act that is not tolerated at all if you have been reading this thread.
Ofcourse by the people this affects the most directly.
Ninja Scooter
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Oh my jesus.
soundahfekz
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How many people got mad at Dave?
There seems to be a distinction between hateful black face and skin painting, at least to me. I'm not black, but I'm not offended by either example. The Kanye face painting doesn't seem to be negative, judging by the one still photo. Features aren't exaggerated, sign isn't racist, etc.
Blackface has an ugly historical context from which the offense originates, don't act like you don't know this shit
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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Scooter....I think it's best we return to NFL-GAF before this place self-destructs.
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