dapperbandit
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I don't understand his appeal. He's a terrible speaker... both in terms of what he's saying and how he says it. At least Trump has some energy.
CBS/NYT Poll: Ben Carson edges out Donald Trump
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DeaconKnowledge
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Do you guys honestly think Carson is an idiot and not saying what he feels he has to in order to get the nomination?
He's an evangelical Christian appealing to evangelical Christians.
I honestly think Carson does not have the political calculus for that.
Yes. Carson really seems like a true believer. Trump is saying shit just to get the nomination. Carson? Nope.
The problem when one candidate is trying out crazy the other?
They can't call each other out on the ridiculous things they are saying. I'm sure Trump knows that Carson is saying some stuff that makes zero sense, but since his numbers are up, he can't go after him for it without reinforcing the same things that have made Carson number one.
They can't call each other out on the ridiculous things they are saying. I'm sure Trump knows that Carson is saying some stuff that makes zero sense, but since his numbers are up, he can't go after him for it without reinforcing the same things that have made Carson number one.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I think he believes what he says. He is a religious zealot and his record confirms this. He is already deluded on big picture issues, so the rest makes sense.
Veritigo_X
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I don't have any doubts about that. I was in college in 2012 so I saw my fair share of Ron Paul supporters. You couldn't even talk with them.
acheron_xl
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Modern GOP in a nutshell. They're pot committed to bullshit.
They're both bat shit crazy; Trump is just better at it. Well, was.
Nothing surprises me out of the GOP field anymore. Nothing. 2012 and now this race have proven that the GOP will defy history in how a primary plays out. It keeps becoming more and more unconventional. It's so noisy; Trump and Carson could flame out in two weeks and then Rubio is magically poised for greatness. He won't even need to try; he'll just be next on the list.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I would probably choose Trump over any other republican.
And I am pretty liberal and progressive.
Maybe I would have chosen Rand Paul, but then he started pandering to the base instead of sticking to his few principles.
I'm stunned that so many of you don't get the appeal of Ben Carson for some people. Forget about his believes, policy, any of that. It is his appearance, his demeanor, "soothing" voice. He is one of the most non-threatening, approachable, "nicest" politicians ever. His appeal goes right along with that of Trump, just on the opposite end of things. Many people want an outsider, and for his supporters they want the everyman, while Trump supporters want the businessman.
I'm not even saying I agree, but that is the entire point.
I'm not even saying I agree, but that is the entire point.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Yeah, he's done very well for himself and has turned around and given a lot of that money to his all-black church. Playing the long game, I guess. I get a kick out of it.
PlayALLtheGames
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Yes and can we please stop saying this shit? That he secretly believes the opposite of what he's saying? There is absolutely no evidence to show that, at all, and the notion that he has been able to hide this fact for decades, because I guess he knew he was going to run for President one day and realized he had to stay character his whole life, is absurd.
Ben Carson is a fantastic neurosurgeon who knows pretty much nothing about the world outside of that topic. He is a fundie Christian asshole, with the same, outdated, baseless views about society as the stupidest, white trash you'd find in the heart of Alabama or Mississippi.
Staggering, I know, but it's not as if he's the only example of an academically outstanding, religious zealot, neocon nutjob. There are literally millions upon millions of them in the U.S.
Black Republican
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I think a big part of it is that he is also self made. Raised by a poor single mother and was able to make it to head Neurosurgeon at one of the best hospitals in the country.
He is pretty much living proof that the American dream existed at one point in time.
onadesertedisland
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It's easier to present tangible evidence of a viewpoint than it is to change oneself. By championing someone they are accused of hatred towards, they can appear to be one way on surface level evaluation, while still being the same shitty person they were all along.
I can get behind this the sense that Cardon would make it even easier for the Democrats to win in 2016 than Trump would.
Any Republican nominee which helps in the annihilation of their party is good in my book.
Veritigo_X
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And let's not ignore the fact that Carson can't even articulate his own policies. At least Trump has all the bullshit he's spewing straight and can answer questions about them when directly asked.
Carson would be way more damaging.
BobTheFork
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Good for Carson I guess. IF he gets the nomination he's already going to have to spend MONTHS clarifying and running away from every single stupid thing he said over the past two months.
xKilltheMx
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Just saw this...masterful fucking work
acheron_xl
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Trump is less of a threat because I think his cabinet appointees would be more or less establishment types. Predictable tools, but none that would overpower Trump's ego. I think Carson is much more likely to have a Cheney-type in his camp that would be the devil on his shoulder and pull his strings.
Veritigo_X
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"It's worth the tradeoff for those amazing fiscal policies."
fixedpoint
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I think he's a textbook sociopath.
Orbis Tabula
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Oh wow. Stellar.
Black Republican
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wow, this guy had it all planned out eh
its always worse when minorities go at each other over racial slurs etc, its like "really yall?"
carson is an actual theocrat. he has explicitly said that he would follow the literal word of the bible over american law.
he is the christian equivalent of the iranian ayatollahs.
Libertarianism is basically bro-politics. "Smoke weed and have less taxes, breh."
onadesertedisland
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There is the saying about professions that attract them.
disastermouse
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Is it just me or does Cruz look a bit like a chubby vampire?
Also, if Mayberry had a KKK, Huckabee would be its Grand Wizard.
Im definitely not here to defend Carson but are you kidding me? I've seen Trump bullshit and dance around almost every question that could be considered policy. I'm still not even convinced he fully understands the role of president. Its one of his main criticisms from the other GOP and he still hasn't been able to disprove it.
King Tubby
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I wonder how many Republicans support Carson because they cynically think he'll be able to steal all the black voters away from the Democrats?
Ted Cruz looks like a hopelessly sad man whose face has been stretched almost to its limit.
Ted Cruz looks like a hopelessly sad man whose face has been stretched almost to its limit.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Not sure how to feel about this. I feel it's very hard to get a decent sense of what Carson might be like in a position of power, but I definitely wouldn't trust him with that much responsibility. The question then is who among the two would be worse. Trump comes off as more calculating and devious, but some of his proposals are so abrasive and unrealistic that I just see him constantly alienating other countries all over the world and souring international politics. Yet at the same time, judging from some of his statements, Carson could wreak absolute havoc on domestic issues.
Veritigo_X
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Should've said he makes it seem like he knows what he's talking about. He dodges questions but he still manages to come out looking good. Carson just bumbles his way through questions and comes off as not knowing what he said a second ago.
This is what I'm talking about: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...edicare-defends-against-another-trump-attack/
It's in a little over 3 months (Feb 1st). 3 months ago was late July and Carson was nowhere where he is now. A lot can change in 3 months because a lot changed in the last 3 months. I think Carson wins Iowa though. But it will be just as meaningful as when Huckabee won it in 08 and Santorum won it in 12.
SuperBanana
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Trump is an arsehole. Carson is a lunatic. I'd rather Trump honestly...
Carson is the definition of idiot savant.
Pai Pai Master
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"Not all Republicans"
Gonzo The Great
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"I tried stabbing somebody when I was younger."
Why are Republicans supporting this man? I hope the Donald comes out swinging at the debate. Economic policy should be his strength.
RustyNails
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My bad...was thinking Iowa was on Jan 1st for some reason. I don't dobt Trump and Carson slugging it out. What I don't see happening is Rubio/Jeb riding an invisible magical train to nomination despite languishing in polls. Romney always had a strength where flavors of the month didn't: he was seen as inevitable. Even when Perry or Cain rose to the top, Romney was always behind them. Here not so much.
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