Spiritreaver
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What the hell are people going to do when Lucasfilm makes a prequel referencing Anthology film?
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So that explains why the new Marvel canon comics are FULL of prequel references. Leia going to Naboo and sensing Maul and so on.
And why the new merchandise has a bunch of prequel era figures in the TFA packaging.
And why thew new canon show Star Wars Rebels on Disney XD has tons of direct references to the prequels.
For example this is from Shattered Empire the official tie-in comic to The Force Awakens set shortly after Return of the Jedi:
TheDinoman
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Well, for a lot of people, what really matters is just the movie series itself.
Mike Stoklasa and Jay Bauman, for example, are fans of the original trilogy, but not super hardcore fans to the point where they read the comics, buy the toys, play the video games, etc. I don't particularly blame them for not counting the cartoons and such to overcome plot holes in the prequels.
George Oscar Bluth II
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That is not how Lucasfilm treats it though. We have gotten a press release and statements from those on the Story Group itself that the center of Star Wars canon that is the rock of the entire universe and the franchise is the George Lucas approved media. Which is Episodes I-VI and The Clone Wars. There is no way to spin it outside outright denial.
ReplacementPelican
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That's so good!
DiipuSurotu
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People are going to lose their shit when Plagueis reveals himself at the end of TFA. (Not a spoiler I'm just half-joking 
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)People also like to pretend to ignore when JJ Abrams earlier this year about not focusing too much on the OT generation and remembering there is an entire generation of prequel fans out there in the fanbase and the new films are being careful to not alienate the prequel fans.
“A lot of kids who saw all the prequels when they were young really do identify with those movies as much as my generation identified with the originals.”
http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/04/jj-abrams-comments-about-the-prequels/
“A lot of kids who saw all the prequels when they were young really do identify with those movies as much as my generation identified with the originals.”
http://furiousfanboys.com/2015/04/jj-abrams-comments-about-the-prequels/
I would love this so much, everything that is against this awful bunch of Prequel-Crybabys is good.People are going to lose their shit when Plagueis reveals himself at the end of TFA. (Not a spoiler I'm just half-joking
And this is some of the biggest bullshit some people are spouting.
Lucasfilm is making an entire TV series full of prequel references. A show made for the little kids they actually care to sell stuff to.
They even had
Clone Troopers referencing order 66 in last week's episode
The comics?
Well they just anounced this:
And these comes straight from JOURNEY TO THE FORCE AWAKENS official Tie-Ins between 6 and 7.
The New Books?
Tarkin, Aftermath, A New Dawn and Dark Disciple are full of prequel references
The Movies themselves?
Look no further than the trailer for small references
I'll wait for you to go one by one telling me why they don't count.
Wasn't there a rumor about Lucasfilm looking for McGregor for one of these?
bonesmccoy
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Y'all are misinterpreting what canon actually means.
There can be differences between how canonical works explain events etc., up to a point. Light-sabre construction is obviously one of those things that separate works can explain differently.
There can be differences between how canonical works explain events etc., up to a point. Light-sabre construction is obviously one of those things that separate works can explain differently.
I mean sure, it could easily be explained that Luke was never taught the proper saber building ritual. And he managed with what he could do.
But the fact that Luke (and Kylo, definately) didn't do it, doesn't mean that the fact Jedi traditionally built their sabers by meditating is not canon.
Sectorseven
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Nobody cares what the comics and books reference cause they're expository setup for the films, at best. They're designed to provide some minor background info for the most hardcore fans and are written around the films and never vice versa. A comic is never going to kill a character that has screen potential and new characters introduced are likely by design in preparation for movie appearances. They cost relatively little to produce and hardly anyone is going to read them, so they can take liberties in exploring the less widely appealing elements.
You know what else came directly from Lucas?
No story is "immovable". Heck, even Star War's OT has been moved, time and again, by alteration after alteration after alteration that changes the story and characters in small and large ways. The story, upon EVERY re-released, has altered its canon every single time.
If you think that you haven't followed this franchise at all. Lucas did not write that nor did he EVER consider it canon.
WadiumArcadium
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The Lucas sanctioned media is considered the Bible of Star Wars canon by Lucasfilm and the Story Group.
It would be as if the Tolkien Estate got purchased and The Silmarillion and The Hobbit got thrown out. The stuff Lucas did is untouchable. It is why Lucasfilm put out a press release calling it the foundation of the canon. The immovable rock that all future media will always have to adhere to.
There is no room for interpretation or any way to spin this. Just because you may not like it doesn't change it.
It would be as if the Tolkien Estate got purchased and The Silmarillion and The Hobbit got thrown out. The stuff Lucas did is untouchable. It is why Lucasfilm put out a press release calling it the foundation of the canon. The immovable rock that all future media will always have to adhere to.
There is no room for interpretation or any way to spin this. Just because you may not like it doesn't change it.
PdotMichael
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Lol, at the but the tv series comments.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The wording in the press release was clearly done to make it as 100% clear as possible the Lucas sanctioned media is the official centerpiece of the franchise that everything else must adhere to. There is literally NO way to interpret it any other way outside of pure and complete head in the sand denial.
Well I guess that's that.
Pack it up authors and directors. Unless you make movies, any story you write doesn't count. Regardless of Quality.
Man. JK Rowling must be feeling dumb as fuck with her new play not counting.
Oh and I guess Daredevil and Jessica Jones are fucked too.
Despite the fact the story group has stated The Clone Wars is treated as EQUAL to the 6 films since every script went through Lucas himself.
Lucasfilm clearly making it all up since someone online said "lol just a tv show".
The George Lucas sanctioned canon of the first 6 films and TCW is the foundation of the franchise all future media must adhere to. We know this for a fact, it isn't in question at all.
Lucasfilm clearly making it all up since someone online said "lol just a tv show".
The George Lucas sanctioned canon of the first 6 films and TCW is the foundation of the franchise all future media must adhere to. We know this for a fact, it isn't in question at all.
Bobby Roberts
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Its all fucking fictional. It only counts as much as you want it to count. That said, pretending that films and tv shows that were actually made and obviously exist, DON'T exist, is dumb.
You can dislike the fact a series has shitty installments and still like the series. Its not hard. You don't have to sweat and grit your teeth and set to work raging and wrestling reality itself into a different shape. Its just Star Wars. There are terrible bits of it.
You dont have to make stupid excuses for it, and you dont have to pretend it never happened, either.
You can dislike the fact a series has shitty installments and still like the series. Its not hard. You don't have to sweat and grit your teeth and set to work raging and wrestling reality itself into a different shape. Its just Star Wars. There are terrible bits of it.
You dont have to make stupid excuses for it, and you dont have to pretend it never happened, either.
PdotMichael
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Good, that you got it.
Disney is sure that dumb to design the new movies around content for circlejerking fans instead of the mass of people. That something is "canon" is basically just sugar for the fans like the semI official status was what was running the EU.
WadiumArcadium
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Disney aren't making the films. It's Lucasfilm - the company who explicity said that the content for circlejerking fans is canon.
ViewtifulJC
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I wish I could put this on a giant whiteboard and pass it along whenever these canon/noncanon/fancanon/headcanon talks happened
they're all fake guyz
do whatever you like with them
Bingo. You don't have to like it but pretending it doesn't exist as part of the on-going franchise is insane.
I don't like Agents of Shield, do I declare it not to count in the MCU? Of course out.
I don't like Star Trek V Do I consider it to not count as a Star Trek film? Of course not.
Star Wars is the only franchise I know of where people insist unless they like it the film/tv show/etc doesn't count.
Most Star Trek fans don't like Insurrection or Final Frontier. You don't see them insisting they don't count as part of the canon of the original run of the franchise though.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Of course the Star Wars prequels happened.
They're just really shit.
They're just really shit.
You're adorable.
I'll have you know, there are only three Star Wars movies, only two Terminator movies, and only one Matrix film.
Your insistence to the contrary implies you are from a reality different than my own, one which sounds far less awesome than my reality.
Still not sure why we got the Holiday Special and you guys didn't though...
It aired once. Never again and no home video release. And it had no involvement from Lucas himself. And from the get-go after it aired George Lucas completely disowned it. This isn't any sort of revisionist history. Lucas never considered it part of the official canon. He wasn't involved with its production.
According to the people who made it, he was sent dailies and knew what was going on, but just didn't care.
What he DID care about was producing and writing the story for this:
I forget if he still considers this canon either. I mean, unlike the Holiday Special, he did directly help create this one...
Even as someone who doesn't like the Star Wars prequels, comparing them to Star Trek Enterprise is going too far.
Lifejumper
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#itsallconnected
TheDinoman
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Patty Maloney (who played Chewbacca's son) claims that Lucas was sent dailies of each day's shooting for approval.
http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/text/patty_maloney.htm
ViewtifulJC
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Cheebo pls
TheJollyCorner
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Because apparently the prequels were that bad that they're going to ruin everything going forward.
Which, you know, isn't true.
I think it's amazing that 40 years in, the franchise is still relevant and manages to inspire fans across the world. The only movie from 1977 that comes close in terms of relevance is Winnie the Pooh.
Sure, Close Encounters was amazing (the superior film from 1977 IMHO) and Saturday Night Fever was a huge success, but they never had an impact on popculture like Star Wars had.
There's a shitton of content created over the years, games, movies, shows, comics, christmas specials, fanfiction; pick what you like, discard what you don't.
Sure, Close Encounters was amazing (the superior film from 1977 IMHO) and Saturday Night Fever was a huge success, but they never had an impact on popculture like Star Wars had.
There's a shitton of content created over the years, games, movies, shows, comics, christmas specials, fanfiction; pick what you like, discard what you don't.
Bobby Roberts
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You dare discount the vast and powerful Smokey and the Bandit Cinematic Universe?
More_Badass
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Six movies, two tv shows, countless comics and books and games and amusement park rides and other merchandise across decades
Besides the MCU, any other franchise with that cross-media appeal?
More than just two shows. There are also Genndy Clone Wars, the Droids cartoon, and the Ewoks cartoon.
Messypandas
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Batman and Superman? The former pretty much ticks all those boxes and then some. Maybe Harry Potter too if you want to go for theme parks.
DiipuSurotu
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Batman
TangoAlphaLima
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Except for the amusement park rides (that I'm aware of, unless you count that exhibit thing in Vegas), Star Trek fits the bill as well. It certainly hasn't had the same impact as Star Wars on pop culture, but it is big in its own right.
To a far lesser extent, Indiana Jones crosses off all those media types as well. And, although very fragmented, DC Comics properties have had the same types of output for far longer than Star Wars.
Harry Potter crosses off most of the media types, but to my knowledge, there's never been a comic or TV show of it.
PeskyToaster
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