Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC

Lost Fragment said:
I'm old enough to have played SF2 WW when it first came out in arcades, but by the time 3S came around my local arcade had already gone out of business. So I didn't really have a chance to play 3S during its heyday.
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Clearly your arcade went out of business because of 3s, and if it had been SF4 the arcade scene would still be thriving today in America.

I have long held that the majority of "3s sucks" posts are just people parroting something they heard some 09er say because he remembered going on 20+ game losing streaks and said "fuck this game, you can parry everything I do and I can't mash through shit" instead of trying not to be so random ...which now, thanks to SF4, is called "psychic" lol. If I can clearly tell a poster didn't take the time to get good at the game, their opinions on it are invalid. And those are the ones that keep troll posting, go figure.
 
Don't know if people posted this alreeady, but live SF5 action:
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EDIT: Yeah it was posted. But, posting it again for a new page is useful.

Maou said:
Oh, and when 3S released on PS2, a far more popular system and a good number of years after the scene had rediscovered 3S as a game it loved? 50,000 copies.
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Lol, are you really saying that you expected people to buy a 7 year old 2D fighting game in 2004 in droves? Many years after 3D games had pretty much COMPLETELY taken over?

See this type of analysis is why people feel the need to step in and reignite this argument over and over again...to combat misinformation and questionable logic.

SF3 was not sold or marketed like ANY other SF game in history. Don't expect it to have had sales like any other SF game in history.
 
Lost Fragment said:
I'm old enough to have played SF2 WW when it first came out in arcades, but by the time 3S came around my local arcade had already gone out of business. So I didn't really have a chance to play 3S during its heyday.
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qcf x2 said:

Clearly your arcade went out of business because of 3s, and if it had been SF4 the arcade scene would still be thriving today in America.

I have long held that the majority of "3s sucks" posts are just people parroting something they heard some 09er say because he remembered going on 20+ game losing streaks and said "fuck this game, you can parry everything I do and I can't mash through shit" instead of trying not to be so random ...which now, thanks to SF4, is called "psychic" lol. If I can clearly tell a poster didn't take the time to get good at the game, their opinions on it are invalid. And those are the ones that keep troll posting, go figure.
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That post is saying nothing of the sort or derogatory/trolling about the game if that's what you're implying about this post.

Did I miss an earlier post?
 
These posts are making me hate SF3.

Lost Fragment said:
I'm old enough to have played SF2 WW when it first came out in arcades, but by the time 3S came around my local arcade had already gone out of business. So I didn't really have a chance to play 3S during its heyday.
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To be fair, 3s' heyday wasn't anywhere near the time when it was released in arcades.
 
2n2 said:
That post is saying nothing of the sort or derogatory/trolling about the game if that's what you're implying about this post.

Did I miss an earlier post?
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It obviously wasn't. I was replying to what I quoted with the first segment, then I left space before beginning an unrelated thought (in general reference to other posters). Someone who started SF with SF2 in the arcades is not at 09er.
 
Kysuke said:
Were did all of this SF3 hate come from?
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Like 3 loud posters and the dudes who found their first success in the tourney scene with SF4. The rest has been piggybacking, sarcasm and general trolling.

nded said:
It's not so much hate as indifference.
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People don't post (frequently) about indifference.

Back on topic about SFV, I'm feeling slight withdrawal right now. I don't know if I'm gonna turn my PS4 on before the next beta.
 
nded said:
The microagressions against SF3 add up.
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The Lone Dragon said:
Lol, are you really saying that you expected people to buy a 7 year old 2D fighting game in 2004 in droves? Many years after 3D games had pretty much COMPLETELY taken over?
See this type of analysis is why people feel the need to step in and reignite this argument over and over again...to combat misinformation and questionable logic.
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It's hardly misinformation nor is it analysis, it's objective sales data relating to how many younger players would have experienced 3S as their first game, which was the topic at hand, not the reasons for III's commercial failure. III is a neat game, and its fans feel understandably touchy about the fact that---rightly or wrongly---its extremely poor sales cause some people to call it a black mark for Capcom. Thus the endless defenses: poor marketing, bad timing, death of arcades, too late even when on a better system... The only point I've made is that 3S is categorically not the first SF that a majority of a younger generation would have played, nor have particularly many people played it.
 
Kysuke said:
Were did all of this SF3 hate come from?
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Lots of people have always disliked 3s. From its roster to its gameplay, it's an extreme deviation for the series. The first two games in the series are legit terrible. It plays nothing like the rest of the series, has very little of the cast tons of people love. It came out with Alpha 3 and near CvS2, and those games were played a lot more at the time. It took several years for people to care about SF3 at all.

It's funny for me to see people say it's hard, because when it came out, people said the same type of stuff they said about SF5 now, and SF4 as well. It was slower than most SF's before it, it was easier because inputs were far more lenient than everything before it. This is the game that added super cancels from a special, so it made combos easier to mash out and connect.
 
Kysuke said:
Were did all of this SF3 hate come from?
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It was just never as popular as other games in the USA for the most part and by the time it caught on it was pretty late into the games life. It's a mix of ha and people not finding it that interesting.
 
Skilletor said:
Lots of people have always disliked 3s. From its roster to its gameplay, it's an extreme deviation for the series. The first two games in the series are legit terrible. It plays nothing like the rest of the series, has very little of the cast tons of people love. It came out with Alpha 3 and near CvS2, and those games were played a lot more at the time. It took several years for people to care about SF3 at all.

It's funny for me to see people say it's hard, because when it came out, people said the same type of stuff they said about SF5 now, and SF4 as well. It was slower than most SF's before it, it was easier because inputs were far more lenient than everything before it. This is the game that added super cancels from a special, so it made combos easier to mash out and connect.
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I'm sorry but that's bullshit. No one ever said Sf3 was easy. I was playing it since new generation and at China town everyone loved it or said it was difficult, but they never hated it. I come to GAF and all I see are post bashing sf3. I don't mind though, but I was just curious where did it come from because it feels out of left field.
 
Kysuke said:
I'm sorry but that's bullshit. No one ever said Sf3 was easy. I was playing it since new generation and at China town everyone loved it or said it was difficult, but they never hated it. I come to GAF and all I see are post bashing sf3. I don't mind though, but I was just curious where did it come from because it feels out of left field.
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If you say so. :)
 
Kysuke said:
I'm sorry but that's bullshit. No one ever said Sf3 was easy. I was playing it since new generation and at China town everyone loved it or said it was difficult, but they never hated it. I come to GAF and all I see are post bashing sf3. I don't mind though, but I was just curious where did it come from because it feels out of left field.
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No He's correct, 3S is not universally liked even if it has some really good things about it.
 
Kysuke said:
Were did all of this SF3 hate come from?
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It's not hate, not at this point in time. It's criticism of a game that failed to break through to the mass market. Some issues were structural, but the gameplay/roster issues are both very real. Viscant was ranting about parries a decade ago. The majority consensus among game designers/developers now views them as a hugely problematic gameplay mechanic, embracing his opinion.

The roster has good individual designs. But both throwing out almost all of the SF2/A cast while having a bunch of downright weird designs on the roster became a recipe for disaster, and has obviously influenced the development of SF4/V to be more conservative on that front. (While not as conservative as say, the Tekken series.) And again, the roster does have characters that work visually/gameplay-wise, which is why characters like Elena, Alex, and Ibuki have come back. We're just not likely to ever see Remy/Twelve.

The only difference between postmortem criticism of SFxT and SF3 (as games that under-performed badly) is that SF3 has a vocal hardcore minority who really, really don't like hearing it. A niche game can afford to cater to a niche. SF is not a niche series, though, and it has to cater to a very wide, populist audience. Learning from failure is important, and both games have a lot of lessons to SF developers in what NOT to do.
 
emag said:
A3 and 3s came out within a few months of each other in arcades. The difference is even narrower when considering the PS1 version of A3 and arcade version of 3s.
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I'm not debating its release dates, I just never saw A3 being played competitively in the arcades.
 
Infinite said:
I'm not debating its release dates, I just never saw A3 being played competitively in the arcades.
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There was a national tournament held by capcom for Alpha 3. It was one of the first times Daigo came over here.

Also, "Cole hit some buttons." lol.

Daigo's guy. Whew. :D
 
People shitting on 3S is just a reaction to all the 3S love/fan desperation. Due to the fact that 3S was never super popular so you don't get the need for people to go against the tide to express how they hate the game (like with 4 or MvC3). Aside from the balance issues and the lack of zoning, there's not a lot of ire against the series. Some people think the characters are too weird but I think that's mostly due to unfamiliarity (at least it was for me).

I figure this will go eventually when we get a healthy chunk of 3S reps in V. I believe 3S fans feel overlooked now because every Street Fighter character from II and Alpha, except Juni/Juli and Sodom, made the jump to 3D. No one's favorite game is SF1 which is why you aren't seeing people flip shit over the lack of Lee in SFV but 3, a cult favorite, hasn't seen half their original characters in 3D yet.
 
Numb said:
New one is coming.
You are supposed to drop the old one and start shitting on it.
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That's never the way it's worked with SF. I know you're being facetious, but with a series as diverse as SF is, there are always people that prefer what was over the new hotness.

Noctis said it earlier, and I agree, SF is the FF of fighting games. They all play different and focus on different things and as a result each game has its own fanbase.

With SF, people are more likely to love the old and shit on the new. You're seeing it a bit with 09ers talking about how SF5 doesn't have enough combos, feels too simple.
 
Maou said:
Yep. No idea about anyone's ages, but Zero series by a factor of 10. Putting aside arcade profits, in Japan you have 530,000 copies of Zero 2 on PS, 500,000 copies of Zero 3 on PS, and...50,000 copies of 3S on DC. There's just no comparison. Whether or not one likes III, it's worth remembering fighting game perspectives can get pretty myopic---the hardcore scene may have discovered (too late to make any money for Capcom) that it loves 3S, but the outside world has no idea. Oh, and when 3S released on PS2, a far more popular system and a good number of years after the scene had rediscovered 3S as a game it loved? 50,000 copies.
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I can't find it, how did the Xbox version do? It was the only one with online, so you'd think anyone who had a choice would go with that version.
 
Skilletor said:
That's never the way it's worked with SF. I know you're being facetious, but with a series as diverse as SF is, there are always people that prefer what was over the new hotness.

Noctis said it earlier, and I agree, SF is the FF of fighting games. They all play different and focus on different things and as a result each game has its own fanbase.
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It usually works in reverse. When SF4 was in loketests people kept describing how completely awful it was and that it would never catch on. That it was too easy and casual friendly with its shortcut inputs and Ultras. Now V is for casuals and IV is for experts.
 
LakeEarth said:
I can't find it, how did the Xbox version do? It was the only one with online, so you'd think anyone who had a choice would go with that version.
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I'm not sure there was much of a fighting game audience on the OG xbox. I do remember getting down with that game, though. They released it with an american style stick with that sick alvin lee spread.

CvS2 also had online on og Xbox.

I remember the online being okay, but that was probably because i had low standards.

Memoriesssssssssss!
 
Numb said:
New one is coming.
You are supposed to drop the old one and start shitting on it.
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Nah, SF4 brought unique things to the series and it help launch a new era of Fighting games. Despite having some reservations with 4 it belongs proudly with the rest of the SF games, granted I don't like it much but it's a hell of a game.

King Awesome said:
It usually works in reverse. When SF4 was in loketests people kept describing how completely awful it was and that it would never catch on. That it was too easy and casual friendly with its shortcut inputs and Ultras. Now V is for casuals and IV is for experts.
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Sounds like Final Fantasy Fans.
 
People hate 3s, people hate sfiv and i am sure some people will hate sfv, and other people hate the people who hate some of these things. I just summarized things for you guys.

So do you guys think there is a chance there are characters that will appear as dlc (or secret boss characters lol) that were not found from datamining?
 
Csr said:
People hate 3s, people hate sfiv and i am sure some people will hate sfv, and other people hate the people who hate some of these things. I just summarized things for you guys.

So do you guys think there is a chance there are characters that will appear as dlc (or secret boss characters lol) that were not found from datamining?
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Of course! In 2017.
 
I just think people are going to hate...and be loud about it. Those in the middle generally are too busy enjoying things to join in.
 
My favorite SF is alpha 2. From what I've played of SF5, I think that game is going to be dethroned.

But I love all SF games. Even the EX series. I used to hate on 3s, but I've been playing it a lot this past year and have grown to appreciate a lot of the stuff that I used to dislike.
 
Csr said:
People hate 3s, people hate sfiv and i am sure some people will hate sfv, and other people hate the people who hate some of these things. I just summarized things for you guys.

So do you guys think there is a chance there are characters that will appear as dlc (or secret boss characters lol) that were not found from datamining?
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2017 and beyond.
 
Csr said:
People hate 3s, people hate sfiv and i am sure some people will hate sfv, and other people hate the people who hate some of these things. I just summarized things for you guys.

So do you guys think there is a chance there are characters that will appear as dlc (or secret boss characters lol) that were not found from datamining?
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I'm sure there's a chance. The datamined stuff is probably just whatever they're working on right now.
 
Csr said:
People hate 3s, people hate sfiv and i am sure some people will hate sfv, and other people hate the people who hate some of these things. I just summarized things for you guys.

So do you guys think there is a chance there are characters that will appear as dlc (or secret boss characters lol) that were not found from datamining?
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well they specifically told us 6 characters and 6 characters were found so odds are not likely
 
Karsticles said:
I've been defecating all over SFIV since I played it years ago. It's not a fashionable state of mind, I just don't like the game, and never have.
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Same but never played it much even though kept buying every version.
That new girl on the block tho?phew
NoctisVsStar said:
Nah, SF4 brought unique things to the series and it help launch a new era of Fighting games. Despite having some reservations with 4 it belongs proudly with the rest of the SF games, granted I don't like it much but it's a hell of a game.



Sounds like Final Fantasy Fans.
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Indeed.
Although i don't care much for it i understand it's importance as a fighter,SF game and what it did for the fighting game community in general.
Tekken player so nothing changed for me since there was not that big of a downtime for fighters on my side tbh
 
Csr said:
People hate 3s, people hate sfiv and i am sure some people will hate sfv, and other people hate the people who hate some of these things. I just summarized things for you guys.
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You forgot that some people will just hate fighting games
 
nded said:
I'm sure there's a chance. The datamined stuff is probably just whatever they're working on right now.
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I really hope this is the case, unless you mean that there is a chance he will appear in 2017.

robotzombie said:
well they specifically told us 6 characters and 6 characters were found so odds are not likely
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yeah true, maybe their plan was to throw us off all along so that they suprise us in the end?
sry i might be in denial stage
 
qcf x2 said:

Clearly your arcade went out of business because of 3s, and if it had been SF4 the arcade scene would still be thriving today in America.

I have long held that the majority of "3s sucks" posts are just people parroting something they heard some 09er say because he remembered going on 20+ game losing streaks and said "fuck this game, you can parry everything I do and I can't mash through shit" instead of trying not to be so random ...which now, thanks to SF4, is called "psychic" lol. If I can clearly tell a poster didn't take the time to get good at the game, their opinions on it are invalid. And those are the ones that keep troll posting, go figure.
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Er it s not that easy. You don't have to be good at something to judge it.

You can judge a movie while sucking at acting.

I agree the hate for 3s is usually due to lack of effort on the Hater's part.

But look; I suck at marvel 3. And yet I can safely say it s one of the worst fighter ever made. That doesn't make it a bad game; as it can be fun thanks to the roster; but mechanics wise it s an atrocious pile of shit.
 
Skilletor said:
That's never the way it's worked with SF. I know you're being facetious, but with a series as diverse as SF is, there are always people that prefer what was over the new hotness.

Noctis said it earlier, and I agree, SF is the FF of fighting games. They all play different and focus on different things and as a result each game has its own fanbase.

With SF, people are more likely to love the old and shit on the new. You're seeing it a bit with 09ers talking about how SF5 doesn't have enough combos, feels too simple.
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true true. Kept hearing how many 3rd Strike players didn't even want to pick up 4 etc etc
Other than the combo and some of the character arguments it seems tamer than before with how much SFV is liked.
Simplicity is one of it's biggest good points aswell as being a negative unfortunately.
Village said:
Can't

these costumes fam
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Mods can be crazy although that legit Elena African princess getup is fire.
Mostly cos it's Elena tho.
 
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