ThirtyPlus
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well there are no Sim Gameplay vids out yet so there's nothing but 3s to talk about
Wtf is the deal? It was plenty of Gief vids out within a couple days of his reveal....where is the Sim footage?
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC
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Wtf is the deal? It was plenty of Gief vids out within a couple days of his reveal....where is the Sim footage?
That's SFV's model. (the characters are free if you grind them out, Super/Ultra updates are completely free.)
I don't think so, actually. It's harder to come with unique V-Triggers than alternate CAs.
Thats pretty much what SF5 is doing.
Yeah, it was just the first example that came to mind.
Personally, I usually prefer more subtle, universal changes. For instance, it'd be interesting if they one day brought back A3's blue blocking to combat white damage (but only after we've spent a good deal of time with the current system, if at all).
Shadoken
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Stone Ocean
Member
So V-Skill being a Kawarimi counter? Isn't that what Vega's is?
Making a false double of Ibuki for mixups like that new BlazBlue character.
I would want Variable V Trigger and CA
However keep V Skill the same as it's hard to come up with new V Skills.
So we have something like this
Ryu A - Denjin Trigger - Shinku Hadoken
Ryu B - Evil Ryu Trigger - Super Shin Shoryuken
Zangief A - Lariat Tornado - Russian Suplex
Zangief B - Green Hand Trigger - FA Buster
Chunli A - Double Trigger - Lightning Kick Super
Chunli B - Heinsho - SA3 from Third Strike
Charlie A - Teleport - Shadow Super
Charlie B - Multi Boom Trigger - Suoer Flash Kick
However keep V Skill the same as it's hard to come up with new V Skills.
So we have something like this
Ryu A - Denjin Trigger - Shinku Hadoken
Ryu B - Evil Ryu Trigger - Super Shin Shoryuken
Zangief A - Lariat Tornado - Russian Suplex
Zangief B - Green Hand Trigger - FA Buster
Chunli A - Double Trigger - Lightning Kick Super
Chunli B - Heinsho - SA3 from Third Strike
Charlie A - Teleport - Shadow Super
Charlie B - Multi Boom Trigger - Suoer Flash Kick
V-Triggers are this game's Ultras. The issue with CAs is that supers don't really come into play in many games- the game's not set up like 3S where you can stock them.
Agree that V-Skills wouldn't change.
I could see that being a V reversal
Geminosity
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Ibuki's v-skill could be throwing a rabid tanooki at you 
V-Trigger: LOG TRAPIbuki's v-skill could be throwing a rabid tanooki at you
TerraziTerrajin
Neo Member
I would personally not mind if she had a teleport V-trigger akin to Nash's, but with a puff of smoke of course.
Stone Ocean
Member
Ibuki deserves a combo extender VT for sure
Her V skill could be a dedicated ninja slide/flip in which she can do slide and combo into stuff or do the flip into a dive kick or something. Her V Trigger could be new moves with her kunai and the more you throw the faster the meter runs out.
Omnistalgic
Member
What do you guys think the meta game will consist of? I think some of the sf4 guys feel something is missing because there is no focus attack cancel that basically acted like a parry. I think counters should be universal moves that require no meter maybe?
This.
Didn't alpha counters in alpha did -no- damage? This is like asking for a blue burst to do damage in blazblue, no thanks.
This is to make it so you can't finish a round with them. It's a good thing.
As long as they don't kill sure.
Alpha counters in alpha 1 and 2 did damage. Alpha counters in alpha 3 did no damage and cost a bar of guard meter. They were practically useless.
So...no, don't think that's at all comparable to Blazblue or bursts. Especially since bursts have far more utility than a counter does, and their own meter in BB and GG.
And yeah, you can make it so they don't kill, that's fine. No problem with that, but they should do damage.
Yeah what's up with that? Kind of a waste of meter at the moment. I remember I did R. Mika's stunner a couple times during the 2nd beta and it looks so awesome but I want to KO someone with it.
We got enough v-skill dashes. V-skill should be her stupid flip move (a la Rashid) and V-trigger should be a smoke bomb or kunai trap a la her SA3.
I'm just curious as to what it would be like. Make it so you can't kill with them, if you have to then.
What was that move originally used for anyway?
I think V-Reversals are fine in their current state. Getting an unearned "free hit" at the cost of 1 stock never made sense to me back in Alpha 2 (they could be baited, but the risk/reward still favored the one doing the countering). I really prefer relegating counters to just causing a shift in momentum as opposed to an actual offensive option.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's a neutral reversal, how is that a waste of meter?
Holy Order Sol
Member
With that amount of damage I like it that way. You're already going from being pressured to neutral with most of them, or keeping your advantageous position as a cornered opponent tries to retaliate.
Plus they really don't need to kill.
The Yo Tornado
Member
Yeah, I think resetting a situation to neutral is a worthwhile use of a meter. I don't really need V-Reversals to do more than that. To do actual damage would be busted as hell, and I really don't think anyone should get out-and-out punished for being a favorable position.
I don't think I should earn damage even at the cost of a meter because I got put in block stun.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Getting grey damage plus reduced stun seems fine to me. Anymore seems unnecessary.
Okay. I have no problem with it, especially when they can be baited and countered. It's not guaranteed damage just because you're in block stun.
I have no problem with them, really, but would prefer if they did damage.
Being able to kill with it would be really dumb.
Stone Ocean
Member
V-Reversals are meant to get people off your ass, not actually do damage. If you want that then you gotta risk a special move between strings like anyone else.
I've had enough of damaging Alpha Counters after vanilla SFxT
I've had enough of damaging Alpha Counters after vanilla SFxT
The Yo Tornado
Member
Not to mention a good portion of them can be blocked or reacted to. Mika's stunner backfired for me more than once when I tried using them against jump-ins thinking they would continue pressure. They really are just another layer to the pressure game. They don't need to be more than that, imo.
I just see many games giving you damaged for defensive options even ones you can bait out. Dead Angles and Blow backs all net 0 damage (iirc). I wonder why that is...
Arc Christelle
Member
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One that removes her from the character select.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Like a ninja!
That joke is old Bruh
Stone Ocean
Member
Ibuki's V-Trigger is getting a match in Tinder and leaving Street Fighter forever.
Don't know, don't care. My favorite games, Garou, VS, Alpha 2, all have counters that do damage. It's not black or white, one way is better. It's a design decison and I think it could go either way. I prefer one, you another, but that doesn't mean that one is right or better.
I'm going to have to cut you.