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Fallout 4 - PS4 screenshots (now feat. PNGs)
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Shadow Broker
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Umm dude, I'm not one of them but even I know that developers and people who actually work in the gaming industry are on this forum. You're opening up a can of worms. Can you give us your professional opinion since you know more than everyone else?
I don't agree with all this game looks like shit comments but I don't also pretend like I know what the fuck they're talking about.
To me this game looks awesome.
Except there are.
It's a bit worse than that though, it seems like window frames are just textures flat on the wall too.
(Though that might explain why most of the windows survived 200 years - they're all painted on!)
Looks like that particular house has no interior to enter at all
Hope most buildings do
Obliterator
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I'm with you on that one. There are still all sorts of issues on the .pngs but they for sure look better than the other shots. That said the game is still by no means a looker. In fact it can be down right ugly from a technical standpoint even still.
It does seem to have nice IQ though and paring that with the art style / atmosphere helps quite a bit. Still though visually its leagues behind say The Witcher for example. Like behind it by a considerable margin
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Duck Dynasty in particular.
GavinUK86
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Look at the images. Most aren't 'slice of life' images, they're "this looks good" images. They clearly aren't taken without thought.
Just like in the original set looking at a shadowless bobblehead is a "this looks bad" image.
This right here, haters gonna hate I guess.
Durrzerker
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...But even Shinobi's PNGs look bad...
I recall seeing a loading screen similar to FO3 when entering a building in the leaked gamescom footage.
Guys relax, I'm "Taking the piss" (sort of) as we say in Britain. Seriously though, your telling me that you've never once gone through a game and thought "oh wow" and pressed the share button? Really, that's never happened? Its happened to me over 4000 times on my last count.
To me that isn't "carefully framing" each shot, it's simply sharing something that looks nice, which those screens do.
Edit: Seriously though, I want some of that nice crack.
IcyRhythms
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PS4 just can't handle it well. This game is more impressive than just about anything released on the current gen consoles up to this point. It has a very large open world with a lot more going on than the majority of games on PS4 and Xbox One. Witcher 3 is about the only exception. Fallout and ES fans don't play these games because they have some of the best visuals in gaming. If haven't played Fallout or ES before, it's best to cancel your pre-order now. You're going to be greatly disappointed with Fallout 4, I'd imagine.
Obliterator
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They look a lot better but still rough.
I think a pretty good chunk praising the graphics have to be looking at these on mobile. Now if they want to praise the atmosphere I can dig that, but technically its still pretty damn rough. There is no way this game wasn't cross gen at some point pretty deep into development. Which makes sense considering its been worked on for 5 years
GavinUK86
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PROJECTZERO
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What do you think looks bad about those images?
Gemüsepizza
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- He did not take panorama shots -> the LOD and shadow problems are not that visible.
- He did not take close up shots -> the lack of ambient occlusion is not that visible.
Those screenshots do not show the full picture.
Look, I don't even really care about how it looks at the moment(really won't effect my enjoyment of the game), but the picts shinobi showed up with are all close shots. What people were complaining about earlier in the thread was the horrible LoD and the fact that trees in the distance cast no shadows.
And guess what? The new images still show the same problems in the ones you can actually look into the backround.
Here's the old Image that makes it very clear what the LoD problem is:
Here's one of Shinobi's pict, look at the left side and up the hill and you'll see the same LoD effect and shadowless trees:
Now, as I mentioned how the game looks really isn't going to factor into how much I like it, but the truth is what people were complaining about in the first pictures is also in the second, just hidden in the backround since everything in the pictures is relatively close up
Lol, quoted the wrong person... My epic fail of the day
That would be the intelligent thing to do, unless you also like the couch and control pad experience. Plus, in 2 years it'll be going for decent price in steam sales anyway, so fuck it, i always double dip on FO and ES games anyways.
Smaller buildings, like in the neighborhood around your home will be enterable without loading. You can see a few of these "open" buildings in the screenshots - most of them are very ruined so you can see straight through them.
Larger buildings, like the one where you meet Preston in the E3 presentation, will have a loading screen. I'm gonna predict that Diamond City will have a loading screen too, even though it's technically outside.
LookAtMeGo
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Maybe FO4 has a case of the Halo 5 and shadows get better as you get closer. I mean, anyone ever look at the distant landscape in MGSV through your binoculars?
GavinUK86
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Lol, quoted the wrong person... My epic fail of the day
Ohhh! *phew* my feelings are still intact
but ya still gotta love prerelease threads. they're the best.
They'd have to be. It seems larger interiors still have to load in.
Fair enough, but the difference is little more than semantics. Of course there'll be "oh wow, that looks good" moments, just like there'll be "oh wow, that looks bad" moments, relative to the 'average' look of the game. It would seem that Shinobi's images showcase the former, whereas the set that started the thread showcase the latter (but, overall, I'd say that the set of images that started the thread are probably more representative of what the game actually looks like, in showing things like NPC's and draw-distances).
GavinUK86
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if that suits your narrative, sure.
Obliterator
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Textures and geometry alone are bad. I mean really quite a bit. The best thing it had is good IQ
That's LoD, it's a setting that basically tones down textures and shadows that are far away, it's turned down abnormally low in the PS4 screens. Which is the main thing most people have been complaining about. And, as I mentioned previously, I don't really even care all that much(not to mention it won't even be an issue as I'm playing on PC).
BlitzerRadic
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Ummm... it doesnt take much to look better than the pics posted in the OP.
Look carefully at the PNGs and you will see the environment is simple/low geometry and most textures are just average at best. I was expecting much nicer textures considering this isnt the type of game that has a lot of texture variety to begin with.
How are these problems? Are they known bugs?Gemüsepizza;183698882 said:
That's not all what was said though was it. People were saying stuff like "where's the PBR" and "FO3 textures etc. Most games these days have LOD issues, hell, the game is designed that way, it's a non issue. It'd run at sub 20 fps if it had a full LOD from that distance.
People just have to learn to deal with it.
It isn't that. There's a larger amount of images, and images that seem to be taken in the middle of gameplay, rather than images that seem to be framing elements that look good.
I don't have a narrative.
RichiRamjag
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What was there to back up? Who was slapped? I don't understand the joy some of you are getting from this. I was critical of the screenshots too. I wasn't calling for a boycott or anything crazy like that, but I was of the opinion that the game looked pretty shitty. Shinobi's images brought forth a sigh of relief for many of us. So naturally many changed their tune, which is what should when given evidence.
I'm more worried about the folks who said the original images looked great to begin with. Folks trying to conspiracy theory shinobi's pics just need to stop as well. I know you're mainly targeting them, but I don't like folks acting like I should be ashamed because I said a bad screenshot looked bad.
MGSV is also highly unimpressive in this aspect (among others).
Tatsumi Oga
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Based on the PNGs, if it looks that good on console. Imagine PC at 4k.
Will those smaller buildings even have doors and differently modeled interiors then? Seems like it'll be more of a shell structure with crusty beds/mattresses and cabinets thrown in similar to FO3. Guess we'll see soon enough.
RichiRamjag
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Don't tempt me, I don't want to replace my 970 just yet.
Maybe those people really did think those other images were pretty.
It doesn't look better than MGSV that was a ghost town save for a few well placed settlements, or The Witcher 3 that didn't run very well on consoles (and is still being patched). Ok. Sure.
The issue that many are or were making is this uncurrent in the "criticism" that the technical merits of the game somehow fall massively lower than SIMILAR games. Which is absolute horseshit. You're upset that there aren't shadows on the trees in the distance - great. However don't pretend this is some new phenomenon and that you really expected this to be the case for this game on consoles.
I thought they were decent. People lost their shit of the panorama shot, because god knows 100% of the game is spent that way. And when Shinobi shows off photos with a bit better clarity and some of the processing effects people are like "Meh."
Durrzerker
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Very poor detail in the clothing; not just in the technical aspects, but the art, too. There's little in the way of layering, and everything looks like it's basically painted onto the skeleton mesh.
The draw distance is godawful, and there's a distinct lack of shadows on, like...everything? Seriously, look at basically anything more than 15 feet away and it just becomes a mess.
The lighting is overly glaring.
Just like FO3, the trees inexplicably are still dead and it feels like the bombs just dropped because Bethesda skipped the timeline ahead 200 years without actually considering how the world might look that far after nuclear war [hint: not a blasted hellscape]
Character models just still look rough, especially the hand on the pip boy. The hair's pretty ugly, too.
The Skybox is incredibly basic. The clouds look artificial and two-dimensional.
Windows are textures [seriously, jesus christ].
I could honestly keep going a lot longer, but I'll wrap it up with 'weak anti-aliasing' and lazy-looking, copy-pasted terrain.
It's just - I know it was crossgen, and that's fine. I'm not bashing on the game. I'm just saying it looks like a weak crossgen game would. Which is whatever, but I don't see how anyone can think it looks good in a world where The Witcher 3 exists, and I don't see where Bethesda gets away with this, especially when CDPR did what they did with a fraction of the staff, budget, and time.
You recall wrong. While there was almost definitely a new cell loaded, there was no traditional loading screen. It was just a fade into black and fade out to the interior lasting less than a second. It was practically instantaneous.
We have already scene numerous buildings that are open to the game world, one in the very screen shots shinobi posted and in the original ss in the OP. So we know they exist, what we don't yet know is what percentage of buildings will require a loading transition and which won't. Whether it's based on size or some other criteria.
For instance the bank that can be seen in that leaked footage looks seamless as you can just make out the doors being open letting you see into the interior for a brief second, yet the grocery store looks of equal size from the outside but requires a load.
They made mention that requiring a load was something that was useful for level designers because it freed them from the constraints of the exterior dimensions of a building. Because the game world is not to scale they can often have truly large buildings on the outside. But with a separate interior cell they can make the inside larger.
Considering the min and recommended specs, you might not have to.
RichiRamjag
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Fine, maybe we thought they were terrible. Why continue to talk about how people were slapped or are eating crow? We judged the content based off of what we had at the time. Yeah some folks went out there, but sheesh.
Ooh, that's good news.
The 8-Bit Raider
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I have no problem playing a game that looks like this
Or this
So I think I'm ok with Fallout 4.
Faith in humanity restored.
It does look worse than similar games. And again, that isn't an issue for me. Yeah, Witcher 3 might not have run well on consoles, but Bethesda doesn't really have a good track record for running well on consoles anyway.
BlitzerRadic
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Does anyone think this actually looks good?
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