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[jelly]

I think Microsoft have just muddied the waters. That old Halo experience has mostly disappeared, more or less another FPS experience has replaced much of the Halo DNA. I commend the new movements and such but even then, it's not alone in that respect and often it's one or another, not building on Halo pillars. I echo other comments about the story, they've lost most people and it's just not very interesting stand alone or in game play scenarios so I'm not surprised people aren't lining up for it any more. New Master Chief Halo,

Spoiler

ohhh, not really

. Try new things but do they really need to bait and switch, that only annoys people. Where is the trail blazing, that scale, awe, tightly focused, mysterious, uniquely Halo. When they showed Halo 5 for the first time, looks like COD, the story, god knows.

The game isn't bad, just like Halo 4 isn't bad but 343 aren't creating enough new exciting adventures and encounters tightly woven into simple stories, it's standard FPS template with a seasoning of Halo woven into a mess of lore but again, they do a lot right like the verticality, shooting and movement but the Halo DNA has been replaced. There is nothing wrong with a bigger Universe and more characters but throwing in the galactic sink of plots in Halo 4 and similar with Halo 5, should we care? Why can't we have separate games, a coherent plot that connects to other games, not so dependable on other games or media, a choice to enjoy more in perhaps different ways.

 

[Uno Venova]

This thread has been entertaining, I'm sad etta isn't here yet.

 

[Synth]

Hmm I bought digital.... From the U.S. store? Where would that be counted as I am in France??

Well, not UK. That's for sure.

 

[Radec]

This thread has been entertaining, I'm sad etta isn't here yet.

 

[gtj1092]

Microsoft had to know this was a possibility, which makes me wonder even more how they could simply let go of the COD marketing deal like that

Maybe they didn't let it happen. If you notice guitar hero, destiny, Tony hawk and COD are all being advertised with PS.

I just think unlike EA, Activision had a better sense of where the wind was blowing.

 

[Ricky_R]

This thread has been entertaining, I'm sad etta isn't here yet.

He's in the UK as we speak trying to corroborate the numbers.

 

[Carl]

Seeing how the numbers don't include digital, I'm sure that if you were to include it, it would Match, if not narrowly miss the match the sales of retail... mainly because if there is one series Xbox has which everyone pretty much agrees benefits from digital, that would be Halo

That would be totally unprecedented.

 

[Digital Limit]

I bought digital. #almostEveryone

 

[MisterR]

Seeing how the numbers don't include digital, I'm sure that if you were to include it, it would Match, if not narrowly miss the match the sales of retail... mainly because if there is one series Xbox has which everyone pretty much agrees benefits from digital, that would be Halo

Have to love posts like this. Clearly haven't read anything in the thread, outside maybe the OP. This has been disproven over and over in this thread.

 

[Stilton Disco]

The mental gymnastics people are doing in this thread to convince themselves Halo 5 didn't sell like (relative) shit are extraordinary.

The simple truth is that Halo 5 obviously sold badly compared to even the most conservative estimations in the UK.

Maybe the US won't follow suit, maybe it will, but that doesn't change the fact that it's the worst selling proper Halo in the UK since at least 2, and no amount of wishing for magical digital sales to appear out of nowhere is going to change that.

 

[sam777]

Hmm I bought digital.... From the U.S. store? Where would that be counted as I am in France??

Probably as US. Quite a few people here in the UK do this. In the end of the day MS will know how many they have sold and if they achieve a landmark worth sharing, they will.

 

[Ghost_Messiah]

Halo is just not the unstoppable mega force it used to be when Bungie was at the helm ensuring its amazing quality and Microsoft was leading the market by a mile with the 360 especially in the UK. So this news is understandable. I thought Halo Reach was one of the best games I've ever played. Loved it so much I completed the campaign in one sitting. Halo 4 for comparison I couldn't even motivate myself to proceed past the fourth mission. It just didn't feel like a good Halo game. Bungie's exodus just killed that game for me.

I was enjoying it and it did initially feel like Halo but the second the Prometheans showed up and every combat encounter was against them I just, to be perfectly honest, really disliked the game. It's like the new enemy type drained all the fun out of Halo. Halo's signature combat went from super fun and addictive to just needlessly frustrating and unenjoyable. I won't comment on Halo 5 specifically because I'm yet to play it so I don't think that'd be fair but whilst I still want to try the game I don't have high hopes after 4.

I think a lot of long time fans of the series probably feel the same. Halo 4 just needed to be a better game to get people hyped for 5.

 

[Toki767]

Microsoft doesn't care about sales numbers anymore. It only matters how many hours of Warzone people have played since launch.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Have to love posts like this. Clearly haven't read anything in the thread, outside maybe the OP. This has been disproven over and over in this thread.

Nirolak's post is in the OP, so you have to skip that too, at this point. Which is not a great idea for folks driving by to shit post, FWIW.

 

[redcrayon]

Seeing how the numbers don't include digital, I'm sure that if you were to include it, it would Match, if not narrowly miss the match the sales of retail... mainly because if there is one series Xbox has which everyone pretty much agrees benefits from digital, that would be Halo

Unfortunately if there's one media product on the UK market that is bizarrely more expensive digitally than shipping a plastic box from the channel islands, it's games.

 

[ethomaz]

Yeah, on PS4. No reason to pay same price for less game with each game/expansion.

Expansions are free now for at least a year.

 

[Aguero9320]

Can't believe a) these companies bother to release incomplete data like it's relevant and b) people spend so much time and energy discussing something they knowingly accept is not even trying to be accurate anymore.

 

[Chobel]

Seeing how the numbers don't include digital, I'm sure that if you were to include it, it would Match, if not narrowly miss the match the sales of retail... mainly because if there is one series Xbox has which everyone pretty much agrees benefits from digital, that would be Halo

 

[LTWheels]

That's a shame considering it's the best playing Halo todate.

 

[etta]

This thread has been entertaining, I'm sad etta isn't here yet.

I'm here, what's up?

 

[Hesemonni]

I was enjoying it and it did initially feel like Halo but the second the Prometheans showed up and every combat encounter was against them I just, to be perfectly honest, really disliked the game. It's like the new enemy type drained all the fun out of Halo. Halo's signature combat went from super fun and addictive to just needlessly frustrating and unenjoyable.

I felt pretty much the same and didn't even finish Halo 4 on the 360. Did so with MCC and actually enjoyed it quite a bit. In Halo 5 they managed to make the Prometheans even more boring and yeah...they really need to come up with more fun to with enemies in the future.

 

[Boke1879]

Can't believe a) these companies bother to release incomplete data like it's relevant and b) people spend so much time and energy discussing something they knowingly accept is not even trying to be accurate anymore.

So retail sales aren't relevant? The digital sales are there but acting like digital will account for just as much as retail is insane. In the UK the numbers are the lowest of any halo game aside from maybe Halo;CE.

 

[ethomaz]

Can't believe a) these companies bother to release incomplete data like it's relevant and b) people spend so much time and energy discussing something they knowingly accept is not even trying to be accurate anymore.

So now retail sales are not relevant even when they account for over 80% of the console market.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I hope Quantum Break sells more than Halo 5. That would be something to look forward to.

Quantum break (to me) is one of the most underwhelming looking games I've ever seen. I've watched the videos and it looks absolutely boring. I'm really not getting that hype, though I don't expect others to share my opinion. For the record, I'm not saying it's shit or anything crazy like that, it just hasn't appealed to me in any way.

I'm more than happy to wait for it release to make a final judgement on whether it's worth a buy though.

That's a shame considering it's the best playing Halo todate.

Blasphemy! It's good though.

 

[cakely]

Your mad if you think digital isn't drastically outselling physical.

I can name one person out of a friendship group of 10 people who bought Halo 5 physically rather than digital. That's 10/90% split in physical/digital in my friendship group. I'd say it's a similar story in a lot of other peoples.

Cover 20%? Your mad.

Wow. My inner statistician just had a stroke reading this. Two misuses of "your" didn't help.

Reading through the whole thread, it looks like you weren't the only one thinking that Halo 5 somehow sold most of its copies digitally. Others just read the title and kept pouring in.

Mods please change thread title to the much more accurate:

Halo 5; Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore

Cause we all know that anecdote is superior to actual hard data.

My thoughts exactly.

FYI, Halo 5 is going to be a giant seller, especially in NPD. But everyone, please, stop murdering statistics. Think of the children.

 

[Adam802]

It's at the top of the UK chart, without even including digital sales. And this is only for UK, not even Xbox's main market. What is everyone getting all upset about, lol. Just because it didn't out sell Halo 4(yet, will likely eventually)? Let me quote the Eurogamer article:

"did not match the sales performance of Halo 4. Although that isn't too surprising - Halo 4 launched in 2012 on Xbox 360, with a far larger and more mature sales base. Xbox One is just two years old."

So of COURSE its not going to outsell Halo 4,a game launching on a console already 7 years into it's lifecycle, at launch. And XB1 sales arent bad either overall, outpacing 360. And the game's online/networking is really great. No problems unlike MCC. Everyone said 343 had to make sure it launched with no issues, and it succeeded in that. So that will obviously win back a lot of bad will people still had over MCC.

So chill, lol. Enjoy the game.

 

[Shenmue]

Your mad if you think digital isn't drastically outselling physical.

I can name one person out of a friendship group of 10 people who bought Halo 5 physically rather than digital. That's 10/90% split in physical/digital in my friendship group. I'd say it's a similar story in a lot of other peoples.

Woah hopefully you've understood the error of your ways now? I mean to go so aggressive too with your response to someone when you are obviously the one in error too...

Digital OUTSELLING physical on console??? Your group of 10 friends is so minuscule a sample size that it's useless information. Furthermore, it's likely tainted as well as your friend group likely all convinced each other to go the same digital route because one or more of the guys found a good deal buying from some 3rd party retailer or out-of-region retailer. Extrapolating to find some greater meaning is not how this works; it's not how any of this works at all.

It'd be like me saying, "My friend and I both bought Oneechanbara on PS4, therefore 100% of all PS4 owners bought Oneechanbara."

 

[igordennis]

It's at the top of the UK chart, without even including digital sales. And this is only for UK, not even Xbox's main market. What is everyone getting all upset about, lol. Just because it didn't out sell Halo 4(yet, will likely eventually)? Let me quote the Eurogamer article:

"did not match the sales performance of Halo 4. Although that isn't too surprising - Halo 4 launched in 2012 on Xbox 360, with a far larger and more mature sales base. Xbox One is just two years old."

So of COURSE its not going to outsell Halo 4,a game launching on a console already 7 years into it's lifecycle, at launch. And XB1 sales arent bad either overall, outpacing 360. And the game's online/networking is really great. No problems unlike MCC. Everyone said 343 had to make sure it launched with no issues, and it succeeded in that. So that will obviously win back a lot of bad will people still had over MCC.

So chill, lol. Enjoy the game.

Topping the UK chart these days often means selling more than 20k units. It doesnt mean anything at all. The game sold good, it just didnt match the expectations set (for a Halo title). Your install base argument breaks down when you compare Halo 3's launch with this one. The 360 had a similar install base when H3 launched and it sold significantly more than Halo 5, even accounting for digital.

Outselling Halo 4 is also looking unlikely, but we shall see how its legs are.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Woah hopefully you've understood the error of your ways now? I mean to go so aggressive too with your response to someone when you are obviously the one in error too...

Digital OUTSELLING physical on console??? Your group of 10 friends is so minuscule a sample size that it's useless information. Furthermore, it's likely tainted as well as your friend group likely all convinced each other to go the same digital route because one or more of the guys found a good deal buying from some 3rd party retailer or out-of-region retailer. Extrapolating to find some greater meaning is not how this works; it's not how any of this works at all.

It'd be like me saying, "My friend and I both bought Oneechanbara on PS4, therefore 100% of all PS4 owners bought Oneechanbara."

I don't understand what has led some people to think that Halo 5's digital sales are greater than physical sales, especially after Nirolak's edit of the OP.

 

[Aguero9320]

So retail sales aren't relevant? The digital sales are there but acting like digital will account for just as much as retail is insane. In the UK the numbers are the lowest of any halo game aside from maybe Halo;CE.

Less relevant yes, and not comparable as the market has changed. The only thing that's certain is more people buy digital now than before.

People can throw whatever percentage they like out for how much is digital, aiming high or low, but those figures are at best an average and at worst just made up...

I don't know or care if this is the lowest selling Halo game (I haven't even bought it) but just pointing out that neither does anyone else, and these figures don't prove a thing either way.

 

[leeh]

Someone saying that it can be very slightly higher, for maybe launch day at like 30% of sales, is a far cry from proving your theory correct.

I said I feel the split would be higher on the first week, it was confirmed it did but not by much. Doesn't mean I wasn't correct in what I was theorising.

Wow. My inner statistician just had a stroke reading this. Two misuses of "your" didn't help.

Reading through the whole thread, it looks like you weren't the only one thinking that Halo 5 somehow sold most of its copies digitally. Others just read the title and kept pouring in.

Grammar is never my strong point, I never usually proof read by posts back. I do understand the difference between them all, promise. I never thought it sold more digitally, as I clarified earlier, more so more align with physical sales.

Woah hopefully you've understood the error of your ways now? I mean to go so aggressive too with your response to someone when you are obviously the one in error too...

Digital OUTSELLING physical on console??? Your group of 10 friends is so minuscule a sample size that it's useless information. Furthermore, it's likely tainted as well as your friend group likely all convinced each other to go the same digital route because one or more of the guys found a good deal buying from some 3rd party retailer or out-of-region retailer. Extrapolating to find some greater meaning is not how this works; it's not how any of this works at all.

It'd be like me saying, "My friend and I both bought Oneechanbara on PS4, therefore 100% of all PS4 owners bought Oneechanbara."

I've been posting the whole way, I never thought me and friends were representative of the whole nation, just more a trend of where sales were going. Obviously this isn't true representation and most people still go physical.

I would like to see official split, I do still think it would be higher than 20% with this title.

 

[Riky]

I think that maybe the broken state of Halo MCC at launch might have made people take a wait and see approach with Halo 5. As it happens the online works fine and Warzone is a thing of beauty but you can't blame people for being cautious really. I'm sure it will go on to sell millions regardless.

 

[Mpl90]

It's destiny.

*ba dum tiss*

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

It's at the top of the UK chart, without even including digital sales. And this is only for UK, not even Xbox's main market. What is everyone getting all upset about, lol. Just because it didn't out sell Halo 4(yet, will likely eventually)? Let me quote the Eurogamer article:

"did not match the sales performance of Halo 4. Although that isn't too surprising - Halo 4 launched in 2012 on Xbox 360, with a far larger and more mature sales base. Xbox One is just two years old."

So of COURSE its not going to outsell Halo 4,a game launching on a console already 7 years into it's lifecycle, at launch. And XB1 sales arent bad either overall, outpacing 360. And the game's online/networking is really great. No problems unlike MCC. Everyone said 343 had to make sure it launched with no issues, and it succeeded in that. So that will obviously win back a lot of bad will people still had over MCC.

So chill, lol. Enjoy the game.

[Week 46, 2004] HALO 2 (MICROSOFT) - 260,000
[Week 39, 2007] HALO 3 (MICROSOFT) - 370,000
[Week 44, 2015] HALO 5: GUARDIANS (MICROSOFT) - 150,000

If you say install base then I would advise looking at Halo 3. The 360 had a similar install base to the XB1 at 3's launch.

Even with absurdly high digital of 40% its barely on par with Halo ODST which was the lowest Halo game (thats not a spin off) on that list.

UK is XB1's second biggest market after US.

 

[Shenmue]

I've been posting the whole way, I never thought me and friends were representative of the whole nation, just more a trend of where sales were going. Obviously this isn't true representation and most people still go physical.

I would like to see official split, I do still think it would be higher than 20% with this title.

You've "never thought" or "now you don't think that?" Because you said someone was crazy if they didn't think digital was flat out outselling physical... SO at some point you did think your friends were representative of the whole nation.

If your original statement was just that you feel like it's likely higher than the standard 20% other games see, that would have been a totally reasonable and fair statement and nobody would have said much to it.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Maybe they didn't let it happen. If you notice guitar hero, destiny, Tony hawk and COD are all being advertised with PS.

I just think unlike EA, Activision had a better sense of where the wind was blowing.

It's odd, because it's a complete reversal of their allegiances last gen!

 

[PeterLegend]

This game has over 600 reviews on Amazon and the rating is only 3 stars. I know there are troll accounts made but still, for a title like this it is usually rated 4 stars or above.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I said I feel the split would be higher on the first week, it was confirmed it did but not by much. Doesn't mean I wasn't correct in what I was theorising.

Grammar is never my strong point, I never usually proof read by posts back. I do understand the difference between them all, promise. I never thought it sold more digitally, as I clarified earlier, more so more align with physical sales.



I've been posting the whole way, I never thought me and friends were representative of the whole nation, just more a trend of where sales were going. Obviously this isn't true representation and most people still go physical.

I would like to see official split, I do still think it would be higher than 20% with this title.

Dude, stop trying to backpedal and just admit you were completely wrong. There's no shame in it.

 

[Amentallica]

Seeing how the numbers don't include digital, I'm sure that if you were to include it, it would Match, if not narrowly miss the match the sales of retail... mainly because if there is one series Xbox has which everyone pretty much agrees benefits from digital, that would be Halo

So as much as 100% digital sales as retail sales?

No.

 

[funkypie]

Not sure why people think digital will save the day. Digital purchases still haven't taken off and will never take off as long as they are more expensive and a lot of a time, a rip off.

Money talks and outside of a gaming forum, buying a game that is cheaper and you can resell is better than overpriced digital, cos no disc lol.

 

[Shin-chan]

Less relevant yes, and not comparable as the market has changed. The only thing that's certain is more people buy digital now than before.

People can throw whatever percentage they like out for how much is digital, but those figures are at best an average and at worst just made up...

I don't know or care if this is the lowest selling Halo game (I haven't even bought it) but just pointing out that neither does anyone else, and these figures don't prove a thing either way.

So because we don't know the digital sales (but can safely estimated them within a certain range given previous trends) we should not discuss the sales at all? Nor the fact that it's sold worse than Halo 3 in the second biggest market for Halo? These are interesting discussion points. What does MS do now? Try and prevent lagging sales, make a new franchise they can get behind, expand the user base to PC to make up the extra sales?

It's a fact that for a Halo title these sales are disappointing even with a very favourable ratio between physical and digital. There's a lot to discuss here even if we don't know the exact numbers.

Edit: and as above digital is likely very tiny in the UK because we have very unfavourable pricing compared to the U.S., paying about double. It's numbers are likely negligible in most cases, and Halo is not different just because it's Halo.

 

[Shenmue]

So as much as 100% digital sales as retail sales?

No.

Well that's the crazy thing even if digital matched physical (150k copies digital & 150k copies retail) it'd still be 70k lower than Halo 3 which launched on a very similar install base.

 

[Boke1879]

Less relevant yes, and not comparable as the market has changed. The only thing that's certain is more people buy digital now than before.

People can throw whatever percentage they like out for how much is digital, aiming high or low, but those figures are at best an average and at worst just made up...

I don't know or care if this is the lowest selling Halo game (I haven't even bought it) but just pointing out that neither does anyone else, and these figures don't prove a thing either way.

Dude we have numbers from companies themselves. digital accounts for about 20%. If Halo 5 sold that much digitally in the UK it still would have sold less than both Halo 3 or 4.

NPD threads aren't discounted because digital isnt' shown. I wish we had that data but most people still buy their games physical.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Great sales numbers.

 

[DarthWalden]

More people were playing fifa then halo 5 when I checked this morning...

 

[leeh]

You've "never thought" or "now you don't think that?" Because you said someone was crazy if they didn't think digital was flat out outselling physical... SO at some point you did think your friends were representative of the whole nation.

If your original statement was just that you feel like it's likely higher than the standard 20% other games see, that would have been a totally reasonable and fair statement and nobody would have said much to it.

No, if I thought me and my mates were representative of the nation digital would be outselling physical 9 to 1.

 

[GnawtyDog]

No, if I thought me and mates were representative of the nation digital would be outselling physical 9 to 1.

lol...

 

[leeh]

Dude, stop trying to backpedal and just admit you were completely wrong. There's no shame in it.

Wrong in what? The only thing I said was I feel like digital is outselling physical. I don't believe that anymore, but we don't have any hard numbers. You never know, it could of done.

 

[Shenmue]

No, if I thought me and mates were representative of the nation digital would be outselling physical 9 to 1.

But you thought digital was outselling physical... 9 to 1 is digital outselling physical...

But because you didn't say those exact words you weren't claiming they were representative. Ok got it.

 

[panda-zebra]

No, if I thought me and mates were representative of the nation digital would be outselling physical 9 to 1.

except you and/or your game sharing buddies didn't even buy the game in the eu, so no it wouldn't.