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Halo 5 sales in the UK [Excludes digital sales]
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ethomaz
Banned
So "it is the userbase" changed to "Halo is not relevant like in 2007 anymore"... lol excuses to low sales never ends.
I'll be at the forefront of it, don't worry. Me and my 8 digital friends.
That one physical friend, well, he's been blocked and a complaint filed when I get home.
I mean if you bothered to read the OP, you'd know how AAA on console fares digitally and understand why that poster is misguided.
It's a better barometer than the "my friends all bought digitally" shenanigans.
Obliterator
Member
For some perspective on what full priced AAA games due on the digital front here is a recent example. Witcher 3.
The game did 25% digital attatch across both console AND PC. Now also remember PC the lion share of sales will be digital and PC was 30% of total copies sold.
It puts it right around that 15% to 20% range for digital sales on console. Maybe even a bit lower as PC was likely 80% or more digital.
Physical still dominates the market
The game did 25% digital attatch across both console AND PC. Now also remember PC the lion share of sales will be digital and PC was 30% of total copies sold.
It puts it right around that 15% to 20% range for digital sales on console. Maybe even a bit lower as PC was likely 80% or more digital.
Physical still dominates the market
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Primethius
Banned
Am I missing something? Reach outsold 3 in first week sales. Halo 4 put up pretty respectable numbers (336k).
So.. yes? I believe that most people expect Halo 5 to be upwards of 300k+ at the very least. Not 50% lower then past titles.
Good games are good games. If it is better than those games, people will come back. Plus they have a content drip feed set up for the next year where forge and brb and new maps and reqs will be released. They are doing what they can to keep people engaged and/or coming back.
"Friends: The One With The Digital Purchase"
That doesn't sound like an excuse at all. The numbers aren't low... they're just not as high as they used to be.
Halo not being as relevant today as it was in 2007 is basically factual, and I'd be surprised to see a single person try to argue otherwise.
Are you serious?
That is very, very, very, VERY "out there".
If 20% of the market game-shared and bought from foreign stores, it would have been shut down ages ago.
I'd prefer "Friendship is Magic".
Stilton Disco
Member
Well, yeah, obviously, that's at least part of the problem. I don't quite see why that's somehow a defence of it's massive decline in sales.
If anything that's worse than just backlash against 4 and MCC, surely? That's a sign of a serious underlying problem with both the Halo franchise and MS first party games as a whole.
And MCC. It's a shame because this Halo has some badass MP. Best since 2.
This I can agree with. I think Halo 5 might be one where the first week sales may be deceptive because I think it'll have long legs due to the great word of mouth. 343 has a mountain to climb with H4 and MCC tainting the name somewhat, but they've done a great job to get over that obstacle by coming back with a great game and no online issues at launch. It'll just take some time for the word of mouth to overcome people's tentativeness due to the last two games.
It'll be interesting to see the numbers when Microsoft release them.
On one hand it's disappointing because it's the best Halo in years, on the other hand it's not surprising. There are quite a lot of variables at play. PS4 leading, 360 owners way more likely to switch to PS4 as the upgrade path, Halo 4 disappointment, Halo MCC online issues, Destiny/CoD/Star Wars being in play already and all having marketing with PS4. Oh and lack of split-screen.
So 150K + say another 20% digital, that puts it at 180K, which is a 10% attach rate in the UK? Say the 10% sticks in the US as well, meaning about 800K copies sold there? Another 160K digital so in UK and US you have 1.14 million, maybe another 200-300K from Germany/France/Canada...etc?
So ~1.5 million in opening week versus Halo 3's 3 million for opening day. It's bad but I don't think it's abysmal as some are saying, not considering the variables. And not with Black Friday and Christmas coming up. And word of mouth on the good multiplayer.
On one hand it's disappointing because it's the best Halo in years, on the other hand it's not surprising. There are quite a lot of variables at play. PS4 leading, 360 owners way more likely to switch to PS4 as the upgrade path, Halo 4 disappointment, Halo MCC online issues, Destiny/CoD/Star Wars being in play already and all having marketing with PS4. Oh and lack of split-screen.
So 150K + say another 20% digital, that puts it at 180K, which is a 10% attach rate in the UK? Say the 10% sticks in the US as well, meaning about 800K copies sold there? Another 160K digital so in UK and US you have 1.14 million, maybe another 200-300K from Germany/France/Canada...etc?
So ~1.5 million in opening week versus Halo 3's 3 million for opening day. It's bad but I don't think it's abysmal as some are saying, not considering the variables. And not with Black Friday and Christmas coming up. And word of mouth on the good multiplayer.
I wouldn't say that out there, very high yeah. With how much people live on social media, it wouldn't surprise me a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon because the most important factor is involved, money. I know I've seen a lot of it on my social media, between friends
hahaha
Although, we could go back and forth about this, but we'll never ever know about this one.
Obliterator
Member
Honestly they could get another 1-2 million in sales easy if they would just do what they keep promising and put the game on PC to show their "unparalleled support for the platform."
They could help offset the series decline quite a bit and bring in a hell of a lot more revenue due to the digital sales
They could help offset the series decline quite a bit and bring in a hell of a lot more revenue due to the digital sales
That's right. That MCC launch was ridiculous and pretty much the nail in the coffin for 343. Does this franchise get sent to a different team now?
Do they have a choice at this point? This has to come out on PC after that massive budget and current sales numbers.
Why would anyone expect that? Halo3 was the most hyped halo of all time. halo4 had an 80million installed base...
Doing those types of numbers this go around would be a tall order...
Iorv3th
Member
These are not variables. The install base is already higher than xbox 1 and 360 and yet sold less copies on launch week than previous installations in the series. PS2 was stomping the original xbox and halo 2 sold better.
Obliterator
Member
Because that was their expectation.
We won't know for sure, but your claim has no basis on reality.
If the digital split is roughly 20%, your assumption essentially means that nearly EVERYONE that buys digital is game sharing and buying from different countries. It's absurd.
You literally just repeated the exact same mistake of drawing inference from your clustered sample, by the way. Stop trusting your social media.
Halo 2 also was the second game and came off the heels of Halo 1.
Halo 5 came off Halo 4 and MCC.
You know MS internal projections?
Edit: I see you removed the "I know for a fact" bit from your post, lol.
I'm not talking about the full sales number, just total digital sales. 1 in 5 digital sales. Really high, but since its money, I don't see it being that far fetched.
Obliterator
Member
For Halo 5? I have a pretty good idea what they wanted launch volume to look like yeah.
dealer-
Member
I agree. I wasn't defending the numbers, I'm surprised it shifted 150k as there appears to be a notable downward trend across the board this gen for MS' exclusives. Saying that, Titanfall shifted 125k 18 months ago with a much smaller install base. Maybe gamers just want something new outside of CoD and Fifa.
You mod verified with these types of claims? Throw the range out there that they were expecting.
Obliterator
Member
Mods are always more than welcome to message me anytime they like. They are all good people.
I'll leave it at that.
Primethius
Banned
It should debut at 1.5 million or higher in the US if you take into account simply the drop (%) the UK suffered. Halo 3/Reach all debuted above the 3 million mark in the US and I believe Halo 4 was quite close to that number too.
800k sales for Halo 5 would be absolutely abysmal.
I think all he's saying is what we're all saying. We expect Halo 5 to sell around the same as previous installments and not 50% less on it's launch week.
Nah, throw the range out there. Edify us all. That is actually good info if you have it.
Whose expectation? People who generally want to shit on Halo. Or reasonably minded folks who are looking at the marketplace as it is?
Like I said, I doubt anyone at MS or their biggest fanboys was expecting H5's numbers to replicate the sales of its glory days. That's a ridiculous expectation...
We all no halo hype isn't at its peak (halo 3) nor is the Xbox install base going to allow it to do Halo4 numbers...
Anyone who 'thought' this would emulate either of those is either foolish or just being facetious.
It doesn't t take an insider to know Microsoft wanted Halo 5 to sell bigger than what they did
Anyway
How did the halo bundle hardware move over there?
DarthWalden
Banned
A bit of perspective...
Halo 4 and reach was dealing with significantly higher playerbases and halo 3 was when the brand was at it's absolute peak.
Sorry etta but 1.5M WW IMO would be abysmal for Halo 5. Last week I would have said anything 2.5M WW would be considered a huge disappointed. Hopefully the game will have some legs because it is one the better Halo games in the series.
ebullientprism
Member
People are discussing the reason for low sales. "Not being relevant" is a pretty legit reason, thats how most series plummet in sales. Its not really an excuse or a defense. Relax.
Obliterator
Member
No. Why on Earth would I do that? If a mod wants to know more they can message me. Thats not something that should be public knowledge.
Primethius
Banned
I'm still not sure I understand. Halo 3 might have been the peak sure. ODST outsold this game. Halo 5 only pulled 50k more then MCC did first week in the UK.
People expected Halo 5 to pull more numbers. This is a pretty massive drop off for the franchise.
DarthWalden
Banned
Your claiming you have inside information that MS expectations were halo 3/4 numbers for Halo 5?
Well then.
Obliterator
Member
And a mod can message me anytime they want and have zero questions about it.
Just because I know something doesn't mean it has to be public knowledge.
Lol, why wouldn't you? You've already mentioned the most important part of the whole thing in that they missed expectations.
Primethius
Banned
Several reasons I can think of. I'm in agreement with him. Mods can verify the authenticity of the information. If he doesn't want to share, he shouldn't have to.
Obliterator
Member
Oh I dont know career safety first of all.
Yup. To do only 50k more than MCC is a dropoff for the franchise. Especially for a mainline game.
ODST came out when there were 28 million 360's in circulation
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
Burt Neogaf sales threds wtf, more impoortent then ur joob
LifEndz
Member
Wait...so your nine friends didn't even pay for it?